Just curious......
edit: gyno being itchiness, and/or tenderness, and/or puffyness, etc of the nipples.
edit: gyno being itchiness, and/or tenderness, and/or puffyness, etc of the nipples.
good point, ill edit my opOf course with this type of survey you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of people that really don't know what gyno is.
To clarify then:Of course with this type of survey you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of people that really don't know what gyno is.
Gynecomastia, or gynaecomastia, pronounced [ˈgaɪ.nə.kəʊˌmæs.ti.ə] is the development of abnormally large mammary glands in males resulting in breast enlargement, which can sometimes cause secretion of milk.[1] The term comes from the Greek gyne meaning "woman" and mastos meaning "breast". The condition can occur physiologically in neonates, in adolescents, and in the elderly. In adolescent boys the condition is often a source of distress, but for the large majority of boys whose pubertal gynecomastia is not due to obesity, the breast development shrinks or disappears within a couple of years [2]. The causes of common gynecomastia remain uncertain, although it has generally been attributed to an imbalance of sex hormones or the tissue responsiveness to them; a root cause is rarely determined for individual cases. Breast prominence can result from hypertrophy of breast tissue, chest adipose tissue and skin, and is typically a combination. Breast prominence due solely to excessive adipose is often termed pseudogynecomastia[3] or sometimes lipomastia[4].
this is the route I am thinking as wellI am running it as an anti-estrogen on my current cycle. It is working wonderfully, at least as far as any gyno signs go.
They should put that up in high schools for teens doing prohormones lol. I just gagged on my lemon water! :aargh:Sigh, guys we are all grownups here, I put that pic up there ( which is right from Wikipedia ) as a pure example of what real gyno is.
If you you would prefer that I take it down I can. But seriously???
Much Love,
Neoborn
doesnt make it gyno.. could just be senseitive to hormanal ranges going up and downI did a 4/week pulse w/ epi in september, and gyno popped up yesterday, so suddenly. And it was real gyno, my nipple became red and inflammed and took on a parabolic shape. 60mgs of nolva brought the swelling down considerably, but it is still inflamed and irritated. post cycle therapy after the 4 week pulse was nolva 40/20/10, and x lean 150/100/50.
Hey there, NYCSTE... was hoping for a follow-up... did you get any gyno from the Epi at all? or was it a non-issue? I've never tried a PH and was looking forward to Epi for my first cycle (I've read it's one of the more user friendly ones?) but I'm worried about gyno.. I think I'm prone to it.doesnt make it gyno.. could just be senseitive to hormanal ranges going up and down
cant spell today and i aint an expert just what ive been told too, my nipples also changed some after my phera epi cycle but nothing got itchy or hurt or lumps still 2+ months later
hoping for a followup response in general or from me? this is first time im posting in this thread fyi.Hey there, NYCSTE... was hoping for a follow-up... did you get any gyno from the Epi at all? or was it a non-issue? I've never tried a PH and was looking forward to Epi for my first cycle (I've read it's one of the more user friendly ones?) but I'm worried about gyno.. I think I'm prone to it.
Let me know!
hoping for a followup response in general or from me? this is first time im posting in this thread fyi.
did i get gyno. to my knowledge NO
non-issue - donno i got worried about my nipples being alittle puffy but was told thats only because my hormones are going nuts
-epi is supposed to be one of the most mild cycles i highly recommend you doing this solo first run... start low dose most clones have 90pills which means an easy 4-5 week cycle wtih 4 weeks post cycle therapy.. USE A SERM... look it up before you ever start any PH
There is definately a painful lump under the nipple, and I swear I was on my was to having a left t*t. Thank God I had some nolva and took action immediately. Swelling went down, but its still red and inflammed. Not as painful as yesterday. Hopefully this trend will continue until its gone.doesnt make it gyno.. could just be senseitive to hormanal ranges going up and down
cant spell today and i aint an expert just what ive been told too, my nipples also changed some after my phera epi cycle but nothing got itchy or hurt or lumps still 2+ months later
Go to at least 30, ideally 40. 20 probrably would be a waste of time and resources. Just do a proper pct, and have a SERM on hand in case of rebound flare up(like what happend to me). Why do you think you're gyno prone by the way? Running a cycle is the only way to find out, unless you had it before from puberty or something non-hormonal.You said that you didn’t have any issues 2 month after the cycle.. (unlike the last dude)… so I was wondering if anything had popped up at all later on.
Already been reading about it for a while.. :] think I have what I need to do down… was going with a 4wk Epi cycle (what do you think of 10/20/20/20 for a newbe or 10/20/20/30?????? ) then I was going to do liquid Torem for post cycle therapy also for 4wks?.. was also going to have some liquid Arimidex on hand JUST IN CASE theres a gyno issue? Because I read that what Ill need to fix it? What do you think buddy? All help GREATLY appreciated. I’ll be sure to get my sh*t together before I even think of stating.
i think you can safely do this..You said that you didn’t have any issues 2 month after the cycle.. (unlike the last dude)… so I was wondering if anything had popped up at all later on.
Already been reading about it for a while.. :] think I have what I need to do down… was going with a 4wk Epi cycle (what do you think of 10/20/20/20 for a newbe or 10/20/20/30?????? ) then I was going to do liquid Torem for post cycle therapy also for 4wks?.. was also going to have some liquid Arimidex on hand JUST IN CASE theres a gyno issue? Because I read that what Ill need to fix it? What do you think buddy? All help GREATLY appreciated. I’ll be sure to get my sh*t together before I even think of stating.
Go to at least 30, ideally 40. 20 probrably would be a waste of time and resources. Just do a proper post cycle therapy, and have a SERM on hand in case of rebound flare up(like what happend to me). Why do you think you're gyno prone by the way? Running a cycle is the only way to find out, unless you had it before from puberty or something non-hormonal.
Hey! Thanks man!i think you can safely do this..
post cycle therapy is good, find a good test booster which also helps control cortisol i believe, i used diesel test hardcore but i aint telling you to use it
arimidex i think is the product which is great at being anti boobs you really shouldnt need it on EPI...
as a total newb do this
wk1 epi 10mg (first 4days) 20mg(last 3)
wk2 epi 20mg (first 4days) 30mg (last 3)
wk3 epi 40mg
wkr epi 40mg-50 if you want still totaly safe
you might even have left over pills, you can continue at 40 or 50 till you run out or just stop early, and next cycle if there is one save your epi and use it to start the cycle since you already know how your body reacts to it
could you tell us alittle more aboutHey! Thanks man!
damn, I was worried to go past 20.. but ppl. are telling me its cool to go double that even for a newbie... so I'll listen! Also tho havent been training too too long.. hoping this will help give me a boost/visual results/more motivation to get to my goal.. am working with a trainer/pro bb'er...
Just wanted to add that a lot of the people that get gyno are getting it in post cycle therapy because of an estrogen rebound, not the drug itself.
Curious about those in this thread that got gyno from epi, was it all rebound or was any of it on cycle?
I am no doctor.. but personally, I would def stay on the serm longer IF you are concerned with estrogen issues. Why not get a blood test at 3-4wks and see if everything looks okay, then decide if you need to stay on a serm? For most people, there shouldn't be issues though. Seems to be a safe drug, and 4wks is really short.So if its from estrogen rebound what do you do? stay on a serm longer? I was planning a 4wk epi cycle and a 4wk post cycle therapy...
Well, it’s my first cycle ever… so I thought I’d take it easy.. was planning on doing epi 10/20/30/30 and Torem for pct.. I didnt plan on extending the pct UNLESS I need to.. it's good to know that I could if I wanted to.. wasn't sure since it's at higher doses.I am no doctor.. but personally, I would def stay on the serm longer IF you are concerned with estrogen issues. Why not get a blood test at 3-4wks and see if everything looks okay, then decide if you need to stay on a serm? For most people, there shouldn't be issues though. Seems to be a safe drug, and 4wks is really short.
Why are you only doing a 4wk cycle? Might as well run it a bit longer if you are going to extend post cycle therapy either way... What kind of post cycle therapy is planned out?
Cool buddy. Would letro or arimidex be preferable over 6-oxo or something otc like that? Also, do you take the AI with the serm if needed or can you just quit the serm? Thanks man!!a serm isn't really necessary to control estrogen rebound, an AI would work as well. tapering it up as you taper the SERM down, then tapering it off at 6 weeks or longer is probably best. something like hyperdrol x2 or 6-oxo
Hey psych.Go to at least 30, ideally 40. 20 probrably would be a waste of time and resources. Just do a proper post cycle therapy, and have a SERM on hand in case of rebound flare up(like what happend to me). Why do you think you're gyno prone by the way? Running a cycle is the only way to find out, unless you had it before from puberty or something non-hormonal.
Hey psych.
I have experienced gyno symptoms when in post cycle therapy or even post PCT. It was my understanding that when your hormones are in "reset" mode, you never know where they will be reset to. Even long after you are done with your cycle. I guess it shows us all the uniqueness of our bodies. I keep Serms around the house by the G just in case.
At the first sign of a flare up, really blast up the serm dosage for at least three days. Hopefully you will notice some immediate breakage in the lump. Say 80-60 mgs of nolva (3-4 days) followed by a week of 40 then 20 until you are cool.
Best of luck.
MOTI
tough call on which is best. I lean towards thinking theres not a ton of difference other than toxicity. I'd probably go with hyperdrol x2 mostly because full dose is 4 caps. that makes it easier to taper down at the end. dosagewise what you'd want to do is as you start to taper the serm down, you start to raise the ai so the week you first drop in serm take one hdx2 a day, the following week 2 a day, etc. so you'd be at 4 a day when you stop the serm. Then i'd stay at that for a week, and the following week 3 a day, the following 2, and then 1.Cool buddy. Would letro or arimidex be preferable over 6-oxo or something otc like that? Also, do you take the AI with the serm if needed or can you just quit the serm? Thanks man!!
But isnt the AI only for an emergency case? I wasnt planing on touching it unless I had some real issues.. if not, I was just going to stick with the serm... isn't that the best plan?tough call on which is best. I lean towards thinking theres not a ton of difference other than toxicity. I'd probably go with hyperdrol x2 mostly because full dose is 4 caps. that makes it easier to taper down at the end. dosagewise what you'd want to do is as you start to taper the serm down, you start to raise the ai so the week you first drop in serm take one hdx2 a day, the following week 2 a day, etc. so you'd be at 4 a day when you stop the serm. Then i'd stay at that for a week, and the following week 3 a day, the following 2, and then 1.
to piggy back on this post you also have to take into account everyone that assumed they can pulse epi with no post cycle therapy whatsoever as well as all those that thought Epi was mild enough to run an OTC pCT, which IMO is foolish since regardless of shutdown you never know how strong est rebound can be after if not properly blocked with a complete PCT, preferably a SERM AI titrating dose plan.Of course with this type of survey you have to keep in mind that there are a lot of people that really don't know what gyno is.