Danb Beta test Max pump

[Danb2285]

Too bad they don't have their own anticheatinglyingwhore-idents

 

[LiveToLift]

This thread is so win lately!!

 

[snagencyV2.0]

LET"S CEASE THE BLATANTLY FALSE ACCUSATIONS AROUND HERE PLEASE

The belief that nitrates and nitrates cause serious health problems has been entrenched in popular consciousness and media.

In fact, the study that originally connected nitrates with cancer risk and caused the scare in the first place has since been discredited after being subjected to a peer review. There have been major reviews of the scientific literature that found no link between nitrates or nitrites and human cancers, or even evidence to suggest that they may be carcinogenic. Further, recent research suggests that nitrates and nitrites may not only be harmless, they may be beneficial, especially for immunity and heart health. Confused yet?

It may surprise you to learn that the vast majority of nitrate/nitrite exposure comes not from food, but from endogenous sources within the body. (1) In fact, nitrites are produced by your own body in greater amounts than can be obtained from food, and salivary nitrite accounts for 70-90% of our total nitrite exposure. In other words, your spit contains far more nitrites than anything you could ever eat.

When it comes to food, vegetables are the primary source of nitrites. On average, about 93% of nitrites we get from food come from vegetables. It may shock you to learn that one serving of arugula, two servings of butter lettuce, and four servings of celery or beets all have more nitrite than 467 hot dogs. (2) And your own saliva has more nitrites than all of them! So before you eliminate cured meats from your diet, you might want to address your celery intake. And try not to swallow so frequently.

All humor aside, there’s no reason to fear nitrites in your food, or saliva. Recent evidence suggests that nitrites are beneficial for immune and cardiovascular function; they are being studied as a potential treatment for hypertension, heart attacks, sickle cell and circulatory disorders. Even if nitrites were harmful, cured meats are not a significant source, as the USDA only allows 120 parts per million in hot dogs and bacon. Also, during the curing process, most of the nitrite forms nitric oxide, which binds to iron and gives hot dogs and bacon their characteristic pink color. Afterwards, the amount of nitrite left is only about 10 parts per million.

And if you think you can avoid nitrates and nitrites by eating so-called “nitrite- and nitrate-free” meats like hot dogs and bacon, don’t be fooled. These products use “natural” sources of the same chemical like celery and beet juice and sea salt, and are no more free from nitrates and nitrites than standard cured meats. In fact, they may even contain more nitrates and nitrites when cured using “natural” preservatives.

It’s important to understand that neither nitrate nor nitrite accumulate in body. Ingested nitrate from food is converted into nitrite when it contacts our saliva, and of the nitrate we eat, 25% is converted into salivary nitrite, 20% converted into nitrite, and the rest is excreted in the urine within 5 hours of ingestion. (3) Any nitrate that is absorbed has a very short half-life, disappearing from our blood in under five minutes. (4) Some nitrite in our stomach reacts with gastric contents, forming nitric oxide which may have many beneficial effects. (5, 6)

In general, the bulk of the science suggests that nitrates and nitrites are not problematic and may even be beneficial to health. Critical reviews of the original evidence suggesting that nitrates/nitrites are carcinogenic reveals that in the absence of co-administration of a carcinogenic nitrosamine precursor, there is no evidence for carcinogenesis. (7) Newly published prospective studies show no association between estimated intake of nitrite and nitrite in the diet and stomach cancer. (8) Nitric oxide, formed by nitrite, has been shown to have vasodilator properties and may modulate platelet function in the human body, improving blood pressure and reducing heart attack risk. (9, 10, 11) Nitrates may also help boost the immune system and protect against pathogenic bacteria (12, 13, 14)

So what do we take from this? There’s no reason to fear nitrates and nitrites in food or supplementation

 

[BBB]

I'm just concerned about my health. There is an excellent discussion on this subject on another forum, unfortunately I can't mention the name. This is a very good article on the subject although I'm not sure about the quality of the information: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+myth+about+nitrites+exposed:+why+these+"dangerous"+free+radicals...-a0273530629 This article pretty much supports snagenys previous post.

 

[TheSwanks]

The belief that nitrates and nitrates cause serious health problems has been entrenched in popular consciousness and media.

In fact, the study that originally connected nitrates with cancer risk and caused the scare in the first place has since been discredited after being subjected to a peer review. There have been major reviews of the scientific literature that found no link between nitrates or nitrites and human cancers, or even evidence to suggest that they may be carcinogenic. Further, recent research suggests that nitrates and nitrites may not only be harmless, they may be beneficial, especially for immunity and heart health. Confused yet?

It may surprise you to learn that the vast majority of nitrate/nitrite exposure comes not from food, but from endogenous sources within the body. (1) In fact, nitrites are produced by your own body in greater amounts than can be obtained from food, and salivary nitrite accounts for 70-90% of our total nitrite exposure. In other words, your spit contains far more nitrites than anything you could ever eat.

When it comes to food, vegetables are the primary source of nitrites. On average, about 93% of nitrites we get from food come from vegetables. It may shock you to learn that one serving of arugula, two servings of butter lettuce, and four servings of celery or beets all have more nitrite than 467 hot dogs. (2) And your own saliva has more nitrites than all of them! So before you eliminate cured meats from your diet, you might want to address your celery intake. And try not to swallow so frequently.

All humor aside, there’s no reason to fear nitrites in your food, or saliva. Recent evidence suggests that nitrites are beneficial for immune and cardiovascular function; they are being studied as a potential treatment for hypertension, heart attacks, sickle cell and circulatory disorders. Even if nitrites were harmful, cured meats are not a significant source, as the USDA only allows 120 parts per million in hot dogs and bacon. Also, during the curing process, most of the nitrite forms nitric oxide, which binds to iron and gives hot dogs and bacon their characteristic pink color. Afterwards, the amount of nitrite left is only about 10 parts per million.

And if you think you can avoid nitrates and nitrites by eating so-called “nitrite- and nitrate-free” meats like hot dogs and bacon, don’t be fooled. These products use “natural” sources of the same chemical like celery and beet juice and sea salt, and are no more free from nitrates and nitrites than standard cured meats. In fact, they may even contain more nitrates and nitrites when cured using “natural” preservatives.

It’s important to understand that neither nitrate nor nitrite accumulate in body. Ingested nitrate from food is converted into nitrite when it contacts our saliva, and of the nitrate we eat, 25% is converted into salivary nitrite, 20% converted into nitrite, and the rest is excreted in the urine within 5 hours of ingestion. (3) Any nitrate that is absorbed has a very short half-life, disappearing from our blood in under five minutes. (4) Some nitrite in our stomach reacts with gastric contents, forming nitric oxide which may have many beneficial effects. (5, 6)

In general, the bulk of the science suggests that nitrates and nitrites are not problematic and may even be beneficial to health. Critical reviews of the original evidence suggesting that nitrates/nitrites are carcinogenic reveals that in the absence of co-administration of a carcinogenic nitrosamine precursor, there is no evidence for carcinogenesis. (7) Newly published prospective studies show no association between estimated intake of nitrite and nitrite in the diet and stomach cancer. (8) Nitric oxide, formed by nitrite, has been shown to have vasodilator properties and may modulate platelet function in the human body, improving blood pressure and reducing heart attack risk. (9, 10, 11) Nitrates may also help boost the immune system and protect against pathogenic bacteria (12, 13, 14)

So what do we take from this? There’s no reason to fear nitrates and nitrites in food or supplementation

but but but, it's so much easier to believe what I want because I read it on the internet and blindly posted it without checking references. I just read an article from 1987 that said that HIV is only contractable if youre gay or an IV drug user, so I'm taking the glove off baby! Once it's written it's always true!

 

[snagencyV2.0]

so let's have some cliffs:

* no, EpiV does not contain epistane
* $70 retail for Max Pump is irrelevant, as nobody pays retail price anymore
* the same ppl who are worried about Max Pump and nitrates, are in fact using it themselves
* there is NO PROVEN correlation between nitrate/nitrite and carcinogenic response -- NONE
ZERO
ZIP
ZILCH
NADA

i think what i am trying to call here is, bullshyte

 

[BBB]

so let's have some cliffs:

* no, EpiV does not contain epistane
* $70 retail for Max Pump is irrelevant, as nobody pays retail price anymore
* the same ppl who are worried about Max Pump and nitrates, are in fact using it themselves
* there is NO PROVEN correlation between nitrate/nitrite and carcinogenic response -- NONE
ZERO
ZIP
ZILCH
NADA

i think what i am trying to call here is, bullshyte

I appreciate the information but not the attitude.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

I appreciate the information but not the attitude.

no attitude at all, simple clarification man

I'm just concerned about my health.

using sound common sense and data to guide your choices, acceptable and laudable..

using outdated and poorly researched material as a guide with which to make concerned decisions on your health?
you end up wasting all the "concern" about your health because you shoot yourself in the foot repeatedly

 

[TheSwanks]

I appreciate the information but not the attitude.

you kind of brought it on yourself by not asking the questions, but rather making a authoritarian statement that you mistook as fact.

if you had asked "is there a cancer risk with so high a concentration of nitrates?" you would not have been flamed

 

[BBB]

I wouldn't be asking questions about your products if I wasn't interested in them. All I ask is for courtesy and professionalism in your responses. Flaming is not necessary.

 

[Montego1]

Snags just laid the "Pimp Hand" down.

 

[snagencyV2.0]

It really bugs me when you guys get your panties in a knot.

indeed

Flaming is not necessary.

no one is flaming..you seem to have a difficult time accepting valid, truthful, and up-to-date current information on industry standards, for some reason...

Just answer the question and quit throwing accusations.

i have continued to answer your (same) questions, and remain committed to attempting to educate you in this realm of information you are so obviously mistakenly misinformed on

what more can i do, bbb?

 

[R3ACTION]

Maybe hook a brother up with a body massage.

 

[TheSwanks]

Maybe hook a brother up with a body massage.

with happy ending?

 

[chris223]

but but but, it's so much easier to believe what I want because I read it on the internet and blindly posted it without checking references. I just read an article from 1987 that said that HIV is only contractable if youre gay or an IV drug user, so I'm taking the glove off baby! Once it's written it's always true!

That thing about HIV isn't true. A friend of mine got HIV from a beet.

 

[TheSwanks]

That thing about HIV isn't true. A friend of mine got HIV from a beet.

those beets are bad news. i heard that congress is going to enact legislation to ban all reddish purple root vegetables. Goodbye beets, radishes, purple carrots and purple sweet potatos, I'll see you in hell!

 

[snagencyV2.0]

i heard that congress is going to enact legislation to ban all reddish purple roots.

it just doesn't pay to be a man anymore

 

[Montego1]

it just can't play being a man anymore

Wow

 

[3clipseGT]

those beets are bad news. i heard that congress is going to enact legislation to ban all reddish purple root vegetables. Goodbye beets, radishes, purple carrots and purple sweet potatos, I'll see you in hell!

Ohhhh knoowwzzzz

 

[Jiigzz]

I also posted some research on nitrates in another thread and how they may be beneficial, heres the link: https://qmro.qmul.ac.uk/jspui/handle/123456789/3345

 

[snagencyV2.0]

I also posted some research on nitrates in another thread and how they may be beneficial, heres the link: https://qmro.qmul.ac.uk/jspui/handle/123456789/3345

jiigzz always with the nice finds
thanks buddy..i haven't run across someone who was so swashbuckled by known misinformation in a very long time (well, since the last time i visited the supplement section anyway....)
threw my by surprise a bit; even moreso with the adamancy shown

 

[3clipseGT]

I also posted some research on nitrates in another thread and how they may be beneficial, heres the link: https://qmro.qmul.ac.uk/jspui/handle/123456789/3345

Thanks for the link.