What is the best way to contol cortisol (aside from anabolics)...?
Hi or low need to identify which when and where before trying to self diagnose one selfWhat is the best way to contol cortisol (aside from anabolics)...?
not trying to self diagnose....Hi or low need to identify which when and where before trying to self diagnose one self
Dr hit it right on the spot as he usually does. afternoon may dip because if you are dealing with issues frome work is all.Your cortisol levels are perfect--why would you think of trying to "control" them?
No cortisol levels are highest first thing in the morning this helps us to get going. later from noon on it goes down this is normal so by bed time it should be it's lowest this way you can sleep. There is not one thing wrong with his cortisol levels. I see test that are first thing in the morning are 1.5 now this is not good can be anything.Dr hit it right on the spot as he usually does. afternoon may dip because if you are dealing with issues frome work is all.
"""Cortisol is normal in the morning, low at noon, and returns to a normal level in the evening and at night. A lower noon cortisol can be caused by adrenal exhaustion or the use of hormonal supplements that cause a temporal (several hours following medication) suppression of cortisol synthesis by the adrenal glands or an increase in the rate of hepatic cortisol metabolism/clearance. Adrenal exhaustion is most commonly caused by stress (emotional), sleep deprivation, poor diet (low protein-particularly problematic in vegetarians), nutrient deficiencies (particularly low vitamins C and B5), and low levels of cortiso precursors (pregnenolone and progesterone) Excessive androgen replacement therapy (DHEA or testosterone) or the use of synthetic glucocorticoids can cause a transient lowering of adrenal cortisol synthesis (inhibits CRH/ACTH axis) which results in lowered cortisol levels for several hours following hormone use. Thyroid therapy increases hepatic clearance of cortisol, which could also cause a transient lowering of cortisol for several hours following thyroid therapy. A normal daily output of cortisol is essential to maintain normal metabolic activity, help regulate steady state glucose levels for the brain, and optimize immune function. Cortisol levels dropping below range may result in fatigue, sugar craving, and many of the symptoms of thyroid deficiency (e.g. feeling cold, low libido, depression, anxiety). Normal physiological levels of cortisol are essential for optimal thyroid function. For additional information about strategies for supporting adrenal health the following books are worth reading:Your cortisol levels are perfect--why would you think of trying to "control" them?
In addition to the above summary, I cant, no matter how strict a diet, get rid of low ab fat....Im low BF and lean and cut everywhere else.....Could be estrogen problem also....?Your cortisol levels are perfect--why would you think of trying to "control" them?
Thankx for the links-I have to read those a few times and try to grasp all the info..........Im treating thyroid/adrenals currently....I cant stay awake in the afternoons...any idea why...?No cortisol levels are highest first thing in the morning this helps us to get going. later from noon on it goes down this is normal so by bed time it should be it's lowest this way you can sleep. There is not one thing wrong with his cortisol levels. I see test that are first thing in the morning are 1.5 now this is not good can be anything.
ASI Stage One
Thyroid and adrenal dysfunction: the diagnosis and treatment of an endemic syndrome
Large Selye Chart
Phil
what are you eating for lunch because you could be having an insulin imbalance and adjusting diet may all that may be needed to over come this. Where I used to work I used to watch fat people eat lunch and then by 2 pm there ass would be dragging. You might want to try 200 mcgs chromium at lunch time and see if that help you out for stabilizing insulin levels. Are you also taking thyroid medicine because some times it can cause your adrenals to fluctaute. But your cortisol levels look GOOD. May be add alittle b-5 500 mgs at lunch time and see how you feel thats all you might need to get you over the humpThankx for the links-I have to read those a few times and try to grasp all the info..........Im treating thyroid/adrenals currently....I cant stay awake in the afternoons...any idea why...?
Ok were you treating your adrenals when you did this test if so the test is not any good. What are you treat them with if HC the test is not any good you need to be off HC for 2 weeks to retest. And to come off HC is dam hard if your adrenals are in bad shape.Thankx for the links-I have to read those a few times and try to grasp all the info..........Im treating thyroid/adrenals currently....I cant stay awake in the afternoons...any idea why...?
No...Wasnt treating adrenals when the test was done....Ok were you treating your adrenals when you did this test if so the test is not any good. What are you treat them with if HC the test is not any good you need to be off HC for 2 weeks to retest. And to come off HC is dam hard if your adrenals are in bad shape.
Phil
Lunch is usually a 12 " tuna on wheat....what are you eating for lunch because you could be having an insulin imbalance and adjusting diet may all that may be needed to over come this. Where I used to work I used to watch fat people eat lunch and then by 2 pm there ass would be dragging. You might want to try 200 mcgs chromium at lunch time and see if that help you out for stabilizing insulin levels. Are you also taking thyroid medicine because some times it can cause your adrenals to fluctaute. But your cortisol levels look GOOD. May be add alittle b-5 500 mgs at lunch time and see how you feel thats all you might need to get you over the hump
Try eating half the breadLunch is usually a 12 " tuna on wheat....
too many carbs...?Try eating half the bread
Could be causing a drop in blood sugar and people that have thyroid and/or adrenal issues do have insulin imbalances. TRy some tuna and some legumes on a nice salad with some EVO and see how you feel. You just may need some good fats to slow down carb absorption. if you get tired at 2 pm then at 1 45 have a hand full of raw cashews, almonds if you eat your regular tuna sandwhich or just have tuna salad with EVO and may be a small yam. try differnt combinations, but raw nuts always used to level me outtoo many carbs...?
Not sure what you define as sides...?E2 could be the problem
What are all of you sides?
How are you taking your HC I am low in the morning so I do 10mgs first thing in the morning. You can try 5mgs in the mornig and 10 at noon when you feel down.Not sure what you define as sides...?
I just looked thru my bloodwork, and I cant find a result for E2...Only thing I have is saliva test levels from the ZRT test....
How are you taking your HC I am low in the morning so I do 10mgs first thing in the morning. You can try 5mgs in the mornig and 10 at noon when you feel down.[/QUOTE
HC is what exactly, lol...?
Symptoms....Whe you said sides I was thinkin...never mind....Sides as in side effects?
Fatigue
Low sex drive
ect
hydrocortisone I take cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day what are you doing to treat your Adrenals.How are you taking your HC I am low in the morning so I do 10mgs first thing in the morning. You can try 5mgs in the mornig and 10 at noon when you feel down.[/QUOTE
HC is what exactly, lol...?
Phil
Adrenal Herbal Supporthydrocortisone I take cortef 5mgs 4 x's a day what are you doing to treat your Adrenals.
Phil
Adrenal Rebuilder Formula
lodaed for 2 weeks on iodide and then started on NATURE-THYROID (TM) NT-1 ....they are 1 grain tabs and I take 1/2 tab daily in am.....Western research is the co.
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Adrenal Herbal Support
Adrenal Rebuilder Formula
lodaed for 2 weeks on iodide and then started on NATURE-THYROID (TM) NT-1 ....they are 1 grain tabs and I take 1/2 tab daily in am.....Western research is the co.
Naturethroid -- Thyroid Drug Information Database -- Thyroid Drugs & Manufacturers -- Synthroid, Levothyroxine, Armour, Cytomel, T3 and More
what are you talkin about man...?When i was taking DHEA, HCG cortef, testosterone I was having vivid dreams and since stopping HCG, dhea all them have stopped. Would this be an indication that rem sleep has also declined?
Ability to dream ..what are you talkin about man...?
I stopped dreaming long ago, 10-15 years.When i was taking DHEA, HCG cortef, testosterone I was having vivid dreams and since stopping HCG, dhea all them have stopped. Would this be an indication that rem sleep has also declined?
I stopped dreaming long ago, 10-15 years.
I think that must have been time when I started on T decline.
Taking DHEA, Testosterone for few years, did not changed my dream situation.
Lately I added Cortef, Armour and HCG.
One of them, looks like HCG, infuences dreams.
I am 16 days since starting HCG, had 6-7 dreams.
Either pleasant or neutral.
In the past, infrequently I would have very stressfull dream.
HCG is good, my testicles are almost right.
Scrotum is relaxed but only half way.
Before my TRT it used to hang very low, that would cause pain.
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When my testicles are good and ready, I would like to get closer look at my varicocele.
How to ask for this, there are number of tests;
manual
MRI
ultrasound
any thing else
I need more details, so I can tell my doctor what I want.
He 100% cooperates (so far).
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Couple of years ago advisor from LEF told me to drop melatonin. I do not remember his reasoning.if your using melatonin, that will give some dreams as well. Ive had some good ones lately, which have been very helpful for psych-analysis sessions.
Entrez PubMedCouple of years ago advisor from LEF told me to drop melatonin. I do not remember his reasoning.
Anybody cares to make a guess of when melatonin is not indicated.
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While I was using melatonin, I do not think it had any influence on my dreams, dreams were absent with or without melatonin.
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progrmmer and Jansz I found this interseting about progesterone and dhea-s interactions and how HCG can actually increase dhea production and may indicated reduction in dhea supplementation. This might explain why we feel better on HCG when added to TRT due to the fact that increasing HCG would increase progesterone and body converts where it needs it IE if you are cortisol then it would be shunted to dhea pathway to counter balance it. Dr john is one brillant guy.
Entrez PubMed
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progrmmer and Jansz I found this interseting about progesterone and dhea-s interactions and how HCG can actually increase dhea production and may indicated reduction in dhea supplementation. This might explain why we feel better on HCG when added to TRT due to the fact that increasing HCG would increase progesterone and body converts where it needs it IE if you are cortisol then it would be shunted to dhea pathway to counter balance it. Dr john is one brillant guy.
You are not supplementing Progesterone directly you are using hcg to stimulate pathways that will give the body the option which way the pathway goes. Its totally different.I though that progesterone supplementation in males was NOT recommended...?
You are not supplementing Progesterone directly you are using hcg to stimulate pathways that will give the body the option which way the pathway goes. Its totally different.
Yep and dr john is highly against progesterone creame big time!! from his past post. not only will stimulate the LH hormone, but also stimulate cytochrome p 450 which is start the whole cascade of hormonal events. Interesting huh. But you need to be on HRT to get the full benefits and supplement all pathways. I just found that DHEA levels are relfelctive of free testosterone levels in a study and in my case and pretty much majority of the cases I can see this being a factor because cortisol can lower your testosterone as well as your free. So supplementing cortisol if low is fine but one needs to complement it with dhea to off set the catabolic site effects from it.. Dhea ans all other hormones need to be monitored by a physcianso essentally, you are saying that the hormone progesterone, bioidentically produced and supplemented, is not a valid option for males, yet, stimulating progesterone production via HCG supplementation is a valid choice...?
So assuming low progesterone levels, and progesterone serves as a natural anti-aromatase and 5 ar inhibitor, HCG is a better solution that direct supplementation via bio-id prog...?
can u explain this...?. But you need to be on HRT to get the full benefits and supplement all pathways.
You should not HCG unless being monitored by DR while on HRT. Its nothing to experiment with..
got ya....basically, you are saying that hcg, and its relationship w/test and its supplementation, is the key to acheiving "BALANCE"...? And, that while progesterone is not to be supplemented directly, it is an essenial piece is achieving overall balance ......?Hcg stimulates the cytochrome P450 which triggers progesterone, cortisol, LH, estrogen, pregnanolone, dhea, ect
Is this statement correct. Anybody with references, please post them.so essentally, you are saying that the hormone progesterone, bioidentically produced and supplemented, is not a valid option for males, yet, stimulating progesterone production via HCG supplementation is a valid choice...?
So assuming low progesterone levels, and progesterone serves as a natural anti-aromatase and 5 ar inhibitor, HCG is a better solution that direct supplementation via bio-id prog...?
Because low thyroidIs this statement correct. Anybody with references, please post them.
My tests:
Progesterone----1.4ng/dL (0.3-1.2)
Pregnenolone----23ng/dL (10–200) LOW
Because low thyroid
Several studies verify low hypothyroid
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Is this statement correct. Anybody with references, please post them.
My tests:
Progesterone----1.4ng/dL (0.3-1.2)
Pregnenolone----23ng/dL (10–200) LOW