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Which one do you prefer and why? I'm not sure which one I should get since I dont have money for both.
What are the overall benefits you are referring to?I like CM. I get more benefits from it overall...if I had to choose.
Here is some great info for you.What are the overall benefits you are referring to?
Mainly increased endurance.What are the overall benefits you are referring to?
CM also helps lactic acid build up during training in higher amounts (6-8g) which have been documented and shown in studies. another key aspect and nice feature.Mainly increased endurance.
I agree. If we are just talking from a workout stand point go with CM. But, if I had to choose just one for overall benefits I would differently go with agmatine.For just pump/endurance purposes, I would go with citrulline malate.
Agmatine has a great deal of other interesting properties though, so overall I would much rather have agmatine than citrulline if I had to pick one.
You think Agmatine has more benefits overall than CM? What are they? I saw something about GDA properties but how much does it actually contribute.Agmatine has a great deal of other interesting properties though, so overall I would much rather have agmatine than citrulline if I had to pick one.
Mainly, it has cognitive benefits, which is why I choose it over CM. It has nootropic effects like increased mood, anti-anxiety, and increased focus. Acts as an anti-oxidant, and can help with pain. High doses release opioids in the brain and this can help with pain relief and also help with addictions.You think Agmatine has more benefits overall than CM? What are they? I saw something about GDA properties but how much does it actually contribute.
Mainly, it has cognitive benefits, which is why I choose it over CM. It has nootropic effects like increased mood, anti-anxiety, and increased focus. Acts as an anti-oxidant, and can help with pain. High doses release opioids in the brain and this can help with pain relief and also help with addictions.
IMO, agmatine is an important staple for overall health.
1-1.5 GInteresting. Is all this achieved with a certain dose? In other words, is there a one dose fits all scenario?
Agreed. They can be dosed together or apart depending on the function.Why not both? They can both be found for fairly cheap, especially in bulk powder form
Agreed. They can be dosed together or apart depending on the function.
http://www.orbitnutrition.com/cart/primaforce-agmatine-30-grams.htmlYeee I got CM for now because I'm dirt poor LOL, but will try to get agmatine as well. It ain't expensive but shipping bumps up price by quite a bit.
Truth.Why not both? They can both be found for fairly cheap, especially in bulk powder form
Pre workout is best of courseWhen is the best time to dose Agmantine for most of it's benefits?
The boring answer, it depends. Some love the relaxation it provides before bed. I like the focus and calmness it brings before the gym. Different strokes, but no denying it is beneficial regardless.When is the best time to dose Agmantine for most of it's benefits?
Stuck with it? You mean fortunate enough to have it!Cm! Agmatine is great for taking a piss every hour though! I even tried agmatine when it first came out and have my old primaforce bottles, but now im stuck with it in conq3r anyway-oh well!
I take it in the morning with my Focus XT and breakfast.When is the best time to dose Agmantine for most of it's benefits?
In conjunction, the function is dependant on what you are looking for<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODGA7ssL-6g">YouTube Link</a>
I'm confused. You're questioning the usefulness of Citrulline?Citrulline Malate... though I question the usefullness of the citrulline part, it's highly probably that most of the effects especially on endurance is coming from the malate (malic acid is well known to provide endurance benefits). Maybe the citrulline has a big role in it as well and plays together synergistically with the malate since citrulline IIRC shuttles ammonia away?
I just use it for the tasteI'm confused. You're questioning the usefulness of Citrulline? Yeah the Malate is mainly for endurance purposes but I use Citrulline/Citrulline Malate for pumps and research showing it can increase MPS.
Citrulline has been shown to increase MPS when one has a overall poor protein quality/quantity diet I recall? So for most of us eating plenty of protein, I don't see how it would provide much benefit for MPS.I'm confused. You're questioning the usefulness of Citrulline?
Yeah the Malate is mainly for endurance purposes but I use Citrulline/Citrulline Malate for pumps and research showing it can increase MPS.
So good. Had to hide it from my gf she used it like pixie stick dust!I just use it for the taste
Very incorrect. Most of the effects across all aspects of ergogenesis come from citrulline, period.Citrulline Malate... though I question the usefullness of the citrulline part, it's highly probably that most of the effects especially on endurance is coming from the malate (malic acid is well known to provide endurance benefits). Maybe the citrulline has a big role in it as well and plays together synergistically with the malate since citrulline IIRC shuttles ammonia away?
So from the above, we know that malic acid (the malate) has endurance benefits along with buffering the "burn" I guess, this equates to more reps (endurance). Citrulline is known to help remove amonia which we know can also combat fatigue thus boost endurance. So the question really comes down to if the malate is good enough on it's own or if the two together has an appreciable synergistic effect.The combined form of Citrulline with Malate has a second added effect to reducing fatigue, the malate helps the body recycle lactic acid and use it for energy. The end result of increased ammonia removal, lactic acid recycling and postponing the decrease in muscle pH levels allows users to have increased repetition count. Another study confirmed the increase in repetition but it has also found that it delayed the body's immunosuppressive mechanics when performing intense exercise. This means it can potentially help the body heal from intense training and avoid some of the symptoms associated with "overtraining".
Ugh. Dude, come on. Not getting into this, supplementing krebs cycle intermediates is a VERY BASIC topic, akin to people who still use arginine to this day because it's directly involved in NO. You really need to stop buying into everything you read on the internet mayneThis is what I got off Ergolog:
Citrulline converts slowly in the body into arginine, an amino acid that is released as proteins break down. One of the end products of this breakdown is ammonia. High amounts of ammonia in your blood make you tired and prevent glucose being turned into energy. If you take citrulline or arginine, your body removes the ammonia more quickly from your blood.
Malic acid or apple acid is released during the citric acid cycle. It prevents muscle cells from making lactic acid and stimulates the production of pyruvate, which supplies energy.
Both arginine and malate enable muscle cells to produce aerobic energy for longer, and delay the moment at which hardworking muscle cells resort to their ATP.
I pointed it out, malic acid is an intermediate in the Krebs cycle. So what I was questioning was how much is the benefit of malic acid (malate) and how much is from the citrulline. You're the one saying it's 100% citrulline even though it's known that malic acid 1) prevents lactic acid 2) is an intermediate in the Krebs Cycle as it provides pyruvate.Ugh. Dude, come on. Not getting into this, supplementing krebs cycle intermediates is a VERY BASIC topic, akin to people who still use arginine to this day because it's directly involved in NO. You really need to stop buying into everything you read on the internet mayne
I pointed it out, malic acid is an intermediate in the Krebs cycle. So what I was questioning was how much is the benefit of malic acid (malate) and how much is from the citrulline. You're the one saying it's 100% citrulline even though it's known that malic acid 1) prevents lactic acid 2) is an intermediate in the Krebs Cycle as it provides pyruvate.