Has anyone tried Blackstone labs 4 Andro product and if so does it produce the results it claims ... I've used many PHs in the past so I'm not new to prohormones I'm just leery about these claims.
They are. They need to spend less on advertising and fancy labels and more on compound ingredients.Pretty sure all BSL stuff is under dosed.
Do you know any legal PH's that still yield some decent gains ?4 andro is just estrogen in a bottle anyway
Sparta nutrition cerberus is the strongest ph you can legally buy right now in the USDo you know any legal PH's that still yield some decent gains ?
I did too, too bad they aren't legal any more. Dasca killed that for us.I liked dmz and Msten
Tf when did that become a thing???I did too, too bad they aren't legal any more. Dasca killed that for us.
December 2014 lolTf when did that become a thing???
I just bought dmz and sten a few months ago, same exact formula...December 2014 lol
I bought a quarter bag last night, doesn't make it legalI just bought dmz and sten a few months ago, same exact formula...
I didn't go through hoops to get it tho, it was sold by a decently reputable company whom I won't name now. Also wtf is in Super Dmz 2.0/3.0 Rx? Isn't that supposed to be dmz and Msten?I bought a quarter bag last night, doesn't make it legal
Does it aromatize that heavily? I know it aromatizes, but I didn't know it did so to the point of being considered "estrogen in a bottle"4 andro is just estrogen in a bottle anyway
It's really not a bad compound. I've used it for a base back in my ph days and it worked just fine. It does turn into a decent amount of estrogen and I always needed an ai with 4 andro on cycle, hence my comment.Does it aromatize that heavily? I know it aromatizes, but I didn't know it did so to the point of being considered "estrogen in a bottle"
Am I to assume this bag of quarters is for your laundry? Or, do you really like bubble gum machines?I bought a quarter bag last night, doesn't make it legal
I think he goes for the vending machines not enough protein in bubble gumAm I to assume this bag of quarters is for your laundry? Or, do you really like bubble gum machines?
Sums it up... I got less estrogen conversion on 800mgs of test in 10 weeks vs 330mgs of 4 andro in four days. Some people will swear you don't need a pharma grade AI, but I guess they're the lucky ones.4 andro is just estrogen in a bottle anyway
Those products do have DMZ and Msten. Just because you bought them online and received them in the mail doesn't mean it was completely legal. Those companies are trying to clear old stock, and they know that the government isn't going to be wasting their time trying to scour the internet for every last product containing DMZ.I didn't go through hoops to get it tho, it was sold by a decently reputable company whom I won't name now. Also wtf is in Super Dmz 2.0/3.0 Rx? Isn't that supposed to be dmz and Msten?
Stronger than OLs stuff?Sparta nutrition cerberus is the strongest ph you can legally buy right now in the US
What type of results can I see with it it terms of a bulking cycleSparta nutrition cerberus is the strongest ph you can legally buy right now in the US
I really can't answer this on open forum, pm meStronger than OLs stuff?
There's are many factors that play into gains on cycle but if diet and training is on point then double digit gains aren't uncommonWhat type of results can I see with it it terms of a bulking cycle
Alright thanks !There's are many factors that play into gains on cycle but if diet and training is on point then double digit gains aren't uncommon
DMZ & Msten werent banned .. they are still legalDecember 2014 lol
It was a blanket ban, everything that isn't a dhea, progestin, estrogen derivative was banned including msten and dmz. It doesn't matter if the specific compound was named or not. Read all the fine print.DMZ & Msten werent banned .. they are still legal
I see what you mean .. just ignore me lolIt was a blanket ban, everything that isn't a dhea, progestin, estrogen derivative was banned including msten and dmz. It doesn't matter if the specific compound was named or not. Read all the fine print.
It's a very common misconception, most people think the same thing.I see what you mean .. just ignore me lol
Yeah i hear ya on that .. i know alot of sites took out every single compound that was listed .. but if it wasnt in fine print .. i guess its all games (until someone gets hurt )It's a very common misconception, most people think the same thing.
Not stronger...different compounds for the most part. Apples to oranges. OL has the best price per mg/dose you will find for each product we produce.Stronger than OLs stuff?
What's the best mass prohormone from OLNot stronger...different compounds for the most part. OL has the best price per mg/dose you will find for each product we produce.
Sup3r 1 at 330 mg is a nice bulker solo. Super1/4/Epi stack is a great bulk and strength cycle. And more products will continue to be added to the lineup.What's the best mass prohormone from OL
I've used PHs in the past ... Epistane. Super DMZ, Alpha 11 andro + epiA is awesome stack
If 1st run at PH .. just epiandro is a nice recommendation
oh ok yeah .. run that stack recommended by Jebrook you got good experience and can handle higher dosagesI've used PHs in the past ... Epistane. Super DMZ, Alpha 1
You think I could get some double digit gains off of this cycle ?oh ok yeah .. run that stack recommended by Jebrook you got good experience and can handle higher dosages
Absolutely, assuming a proper diet and training program. The Texas A&M study was conducted on trained athletes that gained an average of 10 lbs on a dose of 330 mg daily. 1-andro can be run much higher if desired. Lethargy can get nasty at high doseages and it will affect lipid levels like any PH/DS. Epiandro can be used in high dosages as well. 1000 mg is the sweet spot for me. I've never ventured over 550 mg for 4 andro and that was only 2 weeks at the end of a cycle after starting at 330 mg. Estrogen conversion was definitely significant with the high dose.You think I could get some double digit gains off of this cycle ?
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