Best non hormonal strength booster

[Ricky10]

Health risk reasons or just doesn't work?

Not effective, I believe the extended studies ultimately showed a decrease in test with an increase in Prolactin.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

MCC + Agamatime for me

CEL Epi Plex, ArA

 

[BennyMagoo79]

Does Stinging nettle not work then?

Well maybe it does, im just a bit cynical when it comes to herbs. Ive been taking this stuff for 5 days with pct and i havent noticed any real change in libido.

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[bosskardo]

Well maybe it does, im just a bit cynical when it comes to herbs. Ive been taking this stuff for 5 days with pct and i havent noticed any real change in libido.

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Stinging nettle works but for some extracts. I don't remember what you have to look for but it wasn't used much, usually some not effective form.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Stinging nettle works but for some extracts. I don't remember what you have to look for but it wasn't used much, usually some not effective form.

It's *supposed* to do a couple things male hormone related (and it definitely does a third, based on human trials - improves BPH/Urine flow).

A few of the lignans, with (-)-3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran being most effective in vitro - displace DHT from SHBG. It (Full Spectrum) is also supposed to inhibit 5a-Reductase and Aromatase, indirectly leading to an increase of Testosterone. Now, if you look at that logically - What if you didn't take any Nettle at all, your SHBG held on to a little more DHT (if it works at all when swallowed), BUT you made more DHT because of more 5a-R? Seems like a wash to me. Also, ITRW (in the real world) 558 humans didn't see a Testosterone increase.

In regards to SHBG - The more I read about it, the more it seems to be another one of those "keep it in range" hormones, and not a "as low or high as possible" one. SHBG also binds Estrogen, etc... (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and also seems to act like a "Reserve" depository, eventually re-releasing some of whatever it has captured at a later point.

See: https://examine.com/supplements/stinging-nettle/

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I'm out of the loop...what's the issue with DAA? It was big for a while wasn't it?

You can make a judgment based on these:

https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/08/when-hype-meets-reality-d-aspartic-acid.html
https://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/04/d-aspartic-acid-daa-does-it-work-not.html

Also note that the Italian Pharma Company that brought this to the world (As it's Trademarked DADAVITTM product), no longer makes/sells it. In that 2009(?) trial, it raised hypogonadal elderly men Testosterone levels up to 40%. If you are a hypogonadal youngish man, say 200ng/dl after 8 weeks of Ostarine - if it worked at all (for 12 days) - you'd be at 280ng/dl... Whoopty-Friggen-Doo

There is also NO "special version" - that is supp company BS. Even if you want to believe that, you can find either one (with or without attached Sodium) for about $10 from Bulk Suppliers for ~6 month supply.