Best legal stim/fat burner

[solidsnake]

Hi guys I know this question has been posted loads of times but as time goes on, products improve...
So my question is what's the best fat burner you've ever had that is currently completely legal, non ph that is also a strong stim?
I'm looking a natty cycle of c&p legendary (epi and laxo) and pes anabeta for a recomp/ lean bulk effect( other stack suggestions are welcome) my work is very hard and I need to keep my energy levels up all day.whats your thoughts?
Cheers guys

 

[booneman77]

PES Alphamine is my personal favorite for energy and fat loss
PES Norcodrene is also top notch. Def not the highest stim, but it a much longer lasting and smooth energy.

We carry a few others at PHW Supplements as well but those are two of the best IMO

 

[nbfootball65]

I know Hydroxyelite has been popular lately.

 

[alwaysfirst]

I'm not a fan of fatburners but I do like Alphamine a lot. I use it as a "pick me up drink" and pre workout and I'm just gettin leaner, good stuff!

 

[solidsnake]

I've read a lot on alphamine, sounds like good shizzle, my only problem is finding all 3 products on 1 website(eu based)

 

[Alex281]

If you're in EU - Olympus labs Amp1burn

 

[123abcabcabc]

ECA

 

[booneman77]

I've read a lot on alphamine, sounds like good shizzle, my only problem is finding all 3 products on 1 website(eu based)

PHW will ship internationally. We have pretty reasonable rates too.

The problem with buying international is ou can't get most things with yohimbe which is one of the best components.

 

[pintowin]

Synedrex and Alphamine have been two of my favorite stim based fat burners so far. Lipomorph/baiba and shift are my go-to non-stim fat burners. Good results with all of those products so far. I have even stacked Synedrex, Lipomorph, and Baiba with really good results.

 

[BeardedBreast]

Love everything said.

But

Ya can't beat Bronkaid

 

[AntM1564]

OxyMax XT. Not only is it a strong fat burner, but it also contains a full dose of Forskolin which has been shown to help maintain and increase lean mass and decrease body fat. My favorite part of OxyMax XT is the N-Phenethyl Dimethylamine and Beta-Phenylethylamine which work nicely together to give a euphoric feeling and better sense of well being. It is a great mood booster on top of a great fat burner.

 

[LeanEngineer]

PES Alphamine is my personal favorite for energy and fat loss
PES Norcodrene is also top notch. Def not the highest stim, but it a much longer lasting and smooth energy.

I will second this for sure! Throw in pes shift as well and that is one hard combination to beat. I like norcodrene and shift.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Love everything said.

But

Ya can't beat Bronkaid

You like the Sulfate better than the Hydrochloride? What differences have you noticed? Every time I re-stock Primatene, I always say "you should try Bronkaid once"

 

[BeardedBreast]

You like the Sulfate better than the Hydrochloride? What differences have you noticed? Every time I re-stock Primatene, I always say "you should try Bronkaid once"

It's all I've known since the ban miss my ripped fuel

 

[cubsfan815]

Oxymax XT as mentioned above is a very well rounded product. It's strong to me at 1 cap, I know some people do like 2 caps in morning. The mood enhancement is where it really shines. Dieting mixed with work and home life is stressful, thankfully OxyMax uplifts you. Of course the F95 is a big plus as well.

 

[Bigdumogre]

Ephedrine + caffeine
Yohimbine + caffeine

 

[solidsnake]

Anyone tried them t9 black furys?

 

[Zoomie33240]

Overall Ephedrine and caffeine can't be beat. However, the best energy I have ever had is from MTS Drop Factor. The synephrine and methylsynephrine mix in that product makes the energy unbeatable. However, I've always loved PES Alphamine. I usually switch between Alphamine and Drop Factor to use on my off days before morning cardio.

All these suggestions look solid though. I may have to try Oxymax XT. Also, a year or two ago one more that gave me really good energy/mood enhancement was Dren by MHP labs.

 

[cobri66]

I agree with Hydroxyelite but add Lipodrene from Hi Tech..potent

 

[RegisterJr]

I like Ephedrine and Caffeine and use it more often than anything else, but have to take it a few times a day.

Stimz and PX White last as long as 6 hours for me and work great for an overall energy boost.

 

[Chefdeez]

Overall Ephedrine and caffeine can't be beat. However, the best energy I have ever had is from MTS Drop Factor. The synephrine and methylsynephrine mix in that product makes the energy unbeatable. However, I've always loved PES Alphamine. I usually switch between Alphamine and Drop Factor to use on my off days before morning cardio.

All these suggestions look solid though. I may have to try Oxymax XT. Also, a year or two ago one more that gave me really good energy/mood enhancement was Dren by MHP labs.

Drop Factor is phenomenal.

 

[carmaf]

Drop Factor is phenomenal.

Drop Factor looks interesting, I just wish they would drop the 20% Forskolin, as apparently that is just begging to get the sh*ts.

 

[Chefdeez]

Drop Factor looks interesting, I just wish they would drop the 20% Forskolin, as apparently that is just begging to get the sh*ts.

I've had this issue with forskolin before but never with Drop Factor

 

[Alex281]

Oxymax XT as mentioned above is a very well rounded product. It's strong to me at 1 cap, I know some people do like 2 caps in morning. The mood enhancement is where it really shines. Dieting mixed with work and home life is stressful, thankfully OxyMax uplifts you. Of course the F95 is a big plus as well.

Is ur F95 a sabinsa licensed forskoline ?

 

[Bigdumogre]

Drop Factor looks interesting, I just wish they would drop the 20% Forskolin, as apparently that is just begging to get the sh*ts.

Used a product with 10%
Took a week to get used to it lol

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I take 20% twice a day from Smart Powders - no toilet trips, YMMV. If you don't have gastro issues, 20% is just as good as 95%, and cheaper (as is 10%, you just need more of both, obviously). IIRC all of Sabinsa's studies are at 10/20%

 

[Chefdeez]

I take 20% twice a day from Smart Powders - no toilet trips, YMMV. If you don't have gastro issues, 20% is just as good as 95%, and cheaper (as is 10%, you just need more of both, obviously). IIRC all of Sabinsa's studies are at 10/20%

Agreed.

 

[Grambo]

Very little in terms of effectiveness beats EC. I love Theatrim since it lasts awhile and has SAM-e in it that makes me feel good but I love adding some E to it.

I've used Alphamine on several occasions though and I've been impressed. It tastes like it works which is a great placebo ha

 

[HIT4ME]

The only time Forskolin ever gave me GI issues was in Shift using the 95% mix. I've taken a gram/day of the 20% stuff with no issues (yielding 200 mg of active). I think some people just have different reactions, and I think it may be more complex than a 20, 50 or 95% extract causing the GI issues. It's just easier to blame cheaper extracts....

 

[Bigdumogre]

The only time Forskolin ever gave me GI issues was in Shift using the 95% mix. I've taken a gram/day of the 20% stuff with no issues (yielding 200 mg of active). I think some people just have different reactions, and I think it may be more complex than a 20, 50 or 95% extract causing the GI issues. It's just easier to blame cheaper extracts....

It's has many other ingredients in shift that can cause it. Can't blame one ingredient that's in a blend

 

[Zoomie33240]

Haha, yeah there is always that chance but I've never had an issue with it. I guess the only way to really combat it would be to supplement with forskolin before hand :head: . Either way, the energy/euphoria from the stuff is excellent.

 

[Zoomie33240]

Drop Factor looks interesting, I just wish they would drop the 20% Forskolin, as apparently that is just begging to get the sh*ts.

Haha, yeah there is always that chance but I've never had an issue with it. I guess the only way to really combat it would be to supplement with forskolin before hand :head: . Either way, the energy/euphoria from the stuff is excellent.

 

[AntM1564]

Is ur F95 a sabinsa licensed forskoline ?

Pretty sure it is, but I will double check for you/

 

[rmanyou]

Ec is the only thing that has worked for me, I usually used it before my workouts.

 

[AntM1564]

Alex281
No we do not source our F95 some Sabinsa, however we tested many different
samples before finally finding the quality material we decided to use, every
batch is 3rd party tested to ensure the quality of our F95 material. Our
material generally tests as high as 98% pure Forskolin so we are using some of
the highest quality Forsklin available. Additionally, Alphamax was tested for
Forskolin-95 by one of our competitors and proved to be at least 95% Forskolin.

 

[cubsfan815]

Thanks Ant, I just saw the notification for this thread.

 

[BamBam0319]

Trying out Lean EFX by Formutech right now; seriously loving it. Will be comparing to ephedrine/caffeine/yohimbine once I'm done

 

[thebigt]

oxymax is good!!! I add a couple of bronkaid and gtg!!! lean efx is also good!!!

level ll is very good for appetite suppression.

 

[BamBam0319]

It's all I've known since the ban miss my ripped fuel

Why not just order E HCl from Canada? Lol

 

[BeardedBreast]

Why not just order E HCl from Canada? Lol

Bronkaid I can get for $10 right down the road.

Like Amazon, I do it cause it's convenient

 

[BamBam0319]

Bronkaid I can get for $10 right down the road.

Like Amazon, I do it cause it's convenient

Fair enough. I just ordered 300 8mg tabs for $41 shipped. Sounded like a good enough deal to me

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Fair enough. I just ordered 300 8mg tabs for $41 shipped. Sounded like a good enough deal to me

BamBam0319 - can you clear out some PMs from your message box please?

 

[carmaf]

Fair enough. I just ordered 300 8mg tabs for $41 shipped. Sounded like a good enough deal to me

With shipping as well? That seems like a damn good deal.

 

[BamBam0319]

BamBam0319 - can you clear out some PMs from your message box please?

Clearing out now sorry!

 

[VaughnTrue]

OG Dexaprine is back on the market. Hard to beat that thing with ANY ingredients

 

[Chefdeez]

OG Dexaprine is back on the market. Hard to beat that thing with ANY ingredients

This stuff is great. Only product to just kill my appetite.

 

[BamBam0319]

OG Dexaprine is back on the market. Hard to beat that thing with ANY ingredients

The OG Dexaprine was way too strong for me and I'm a stim junkie

 

[Chefdeez]

The OG Dexaprine was way too strong for me and I'm a stim junkie

I used to break them in half. A bottle lasted like 3 months for me

 

[BamBam0319]

Just an update for y'all that asked about the ephedrine, my order got cancelled because they're having policy changes for shipping out of Canada right now, and I'll be updated by email when they have it figured out. So no ephedrine for me

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Cancel the PM then. It'll get cancelled - 3 of mine did - they are hip to our jive Now that I just did the math in my head, Primatene is cheaper anyway (if you don't mind Guaifenisen) 120 25mg doses for $40. Canadian Kaizen is 100 doses for that.