Well, this stuff is getting more popular so I gotta ask...how does the powder taste? Do you guys just mix it in protein shakes or something?
Well that makes it easy, thanks!Pretty much no taste whatsoever! Very easy to slip into your preworkout, creatine or even just some water (you will notice a flavor but nothing worse than creatine, except this dissolves orders of magnitude better).
That's a good heads up! A lot of people may want to know this too.Zero taste... If not measuring it out via scale, I've found it's actually ~3/4 tsp for the 1gram, not the 1/4 tsp as the label states...
Me either but I too dropped some coin on a tub. It actually seems to have better data for our demographic (ie. fairly lean) than for obese people - which is why I decided to try it. After ~2 years, I'm aware of how the scale/tape/caliper behaves during a cut - so we'll see if anything is accelerated outside the margin of error (I have a damn DEXA 30 minutes away, but have yet to drag my lazy a$$ over there and pay the $40!).I'm not completely sold on the supp just yet, so this is more of a "test run" for me.
Can't wait to hear back from you. I plan on being a labrat myself. The conversion for me comes out to about 700-750 mg per day.Me either but I too dropped some coin on a tub. It actually seems to have better data for our demographic (ie. fairly lean) than for obese people - which is why I decided to try it. After ~2 years, I'm aware of how the scale/tape/caliper behaves during a cut - so we'll see if anything is accelerated outside the margin of error (I have a damn DEXA 30 minutes away, but have yet to drag my lazy a$$ over there and pay the $40!).
The HED from the mouse data is 8mg/Kg, so that is what I'll be doing - should make the tub last longer. They put it in the mice's water, so I don't know if split dosing is better than all at once? Fasted/Fed? Pre-Cardio? Guess we're the "mice" for this one
Me either but I too dropped some coin on a tub. It actually seems to have better data for our demographic (ie. fairly lean) than for obese people - which is why I decided to try it. After ~2 years, I'm aware of how the scale/tape/caliper behaves during a cut - so we'll see if anything is accelerated outside the margin of error (I have a damn DEXA 30 minutes away, but have yet to drag my lazy a$$ over there and pay the $40!).
The HED from the mouse data is 8mg/Kg, so that is what I'll be doing - should make the tub last longer. They put it in the mice's water, so I don't know if split dosing is better than all at once? Fasted/Fed? Pre-Cardio? Guess we're the "mice" for this one
100mg/Kg (BAIBA Mouse Dose) * Km Factor (Mouse) 3 / Km Factor (Human) 37 = 8.108108108108108mg/KgDose translation from animal to human studies revisited
Shannon Reagan-Shaw*, Minakshi Nihal*,† and Nihal Ahmad*,†‡,1
*Department of Dermatology,
†Paul P. Carbone Comprehensive Cancer Center;
‡Molecular and Environmental Toxicology Center, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, USA
↵Correspondence: 1Correspondence: Department of Dermatology, University of Wisconsin, B-25 Medical Science Center, 1300 University Ave., Madison, WI 53706, USA. E-mail: nahmad{at}wisc.edu
CORRECT DOSE CALCULATION: AN EXAMPLE
As described above, confusion and concerns emanated from a recent study by Baur et al. (2)⇓ , where a dose of 22.4 mg/kg (body weight) of resveratrol was used in a mouse study on aging and obesity-related disorders. The media reported that a 60 kg human would have to consume 1344 mg of resveratrol per day in order to receive a like benefit, a serious misinterpretation of the research. Using an average of 2 mg resveratrol per bottle of wine (6)⇓ , this calculation implies that a person would have to drink 672 bottles of red wine to approximate the resveratrol equivalent.
However, the Food and Drug Administration (7)⇓ has suggested that the extrapolation of animal dose to human dose is correctly performed only through normalization to BSA, which often is represented in mg/m2. The human dose equivalent can be more appropriately calculated by using the formula shown in Fig. 1⇓ . To convert the dose used in a mouse to a dose based on surface area for humans, multiply 22.4 mg/kg (Baur’s mouse dose) by the Km factor (3) for a mouse and then divide by the Km factor (37) for a human (Table 1⇓ ). This calculation results in a human equivalent dose for resveratrol of 1.82 mg/kg, which equates to a 109 mg dose of resveratrol for a 60 kg person..
I can see how that may have been ambiguous, no prob. Always want to make sure of dosing, that's for sure! LOL.The HED from the mouse data is 8mg/Kg
yea i was SUPER surprised to see a study(again, I hadn't read it, was just scanning in this thread) that went with 8mg/kg on mice for an amino acid...100mg/kg makes way more sense. thanks for explaining it to meI can see how that may have been ambiguous, no prob. Always want to make sure of dosing, that's for sure! LOL.
I'm with you % wise - bud, compared to 98% of the population, we are lean Those obese mice were fat, fat, fat!I wonder if the theory for lower body fat benefitting from this is true. I'm a pretty average guy (I hover between 12 and 15% body fat depending on the time of year and stuff) and I wonder if I have to be lower to really benefit.
Antaeus Labs BAIBA. Sold at TGBSupplements, Lockout as well I believe.I just read the article on the News page, looks like some very promising studies. Where are you guys getting the powder from? If its not an AM sponsor, can someone PM me? Thanks gents!
I don't recall him saying that, but rather timing and with or w/o a meal irrelevant... I've been doing 1g/day preWO...Nutriverse and PHW got it too.
Im pretty sure I remember henry recommending it be dosed with food, and away from training.
Personally, I split my 700mg dose up.
How long have you been using it, and have you noticed anything positive?I don't recall him saying that, but rather timing and with or w/o a meal irrelevant... I've been doing 1g/day preWO...
Was just since last Friday I trusted my scale enough to let that determine what 1g looked like, otherwise had been using what amounted to ~500mg for four weeks prior, also using Shift (4 weeks in) and Brite (2 weeks in), noticing slight leaning out and seemingly handling increased workload...but can say going to 1g from what I was using makes me sweat quite a bit more, can literally wring sweat out of my gym clothes...How long have you been using it, and have you noticed anything positive?
Interesting.Zero taste... If not measuring it out via scale, I've found it's actually ~3/4 tsp for the 1gram, not the 1/4 tsp as the label states...
One would think but it's not worked out that way for me... Had been doing 1/4 tsp for ~3 weeks but still had over half the tub still full...also ran a tub last year intending 500mg for 2 months, so 1/8 tsp, got to day 45 and realized still had over half the tub still...Interesting.
Doesn't that cut the amount down to like 15 ish days per tub?
Label says 30 1g servings @ 1/4 tsp. But if it actually takes 3/4 tsp to get the full 1g....
Interesting. I wonder if Antaeus can give thoughts here.One would think but it's not worked out that way for me... Had been doing 1/4 tsp for ~3 weeks but still had over half the tub still full...also ran a tub last year intending 500mg for 2 months, so 1/8 tsp, got to day 45 and realized still had over half the tub still...
Same here, just to verify I'm not loco, lol... And if anyone with a digital scale could weigh out a 1/4 tsp to see what it shows, would be cool as well...Interesting. I wonder if Antaeus can give thoughts here.
One would think but it's not worked out that way for me... Had been doing 1/4 tsp for ~3 weeks but still had over half the tub still full...also ran a tub last year intending 500mg for 2 months, so 1/8 tsp, got to day 45 and realized still had over half the tub still...
It's possible that the powder settled, or that it's hygroscopic (sucking water out of the atmosphere). When we tested it we got 1/4 tsp = 500mg, which is roughly the same as confectioners sugar. A $20 mg scale is a good investment anyway. We could have capped it, but it would limit dosing flexibility and push the price up considerably. Considering that it's odorless/flavorless and mixes well, cheap bulk powder is the best option.Same here, just to verify I'm not loco, lol... And if anyone with a digital scale could weigh out a 1/4 tsp to see what it shows, would be cool as well...
Mine should be here today, I'll do it if someone doesn't get to it first. I don't have 1/4tsp though, just various metric scoops. I was going to Tare out a 1g scoop and then measure a level BAIBA dose.Same here, just to verify I'm not loco, lol... And if anyone with a digital scale could weigh out a 1/4 tsp to see what it shows, would be cool as well...
It's possible that the powder settled, or that it's hygroscopic (sucking water out of the atmosphere). When we tested it we got 1/4 tsp = 500mg, which is roughly the same as confectioners sugar. A $20 mg scale is a good investment anyway. We could have capped it, but it would limit dosing flexibility and push the price up considerably. Considering that it's odorless/flavorless and mixes well, cheap bulk powder is the best option.
Henry, if I'm not mistaken, the label states 1/4 tsp is 1g? But cool, thanks guys...all I know is that for 2 weeks was using a packed, leveled 1/4 tsp, then 2 weeks a heaping 1/4 tsp...and now a week at weighing out 1 g, week 5 starts tomorrow, and still using the same tub...Mine should be here today, I'll do it if someone doesn't get to it first. I don't have 1/4tsp though, just various metric scoops. I was going to Tare out a 1g scoop and then measure a level BAIBA dose.
Edit: I think the wife has some "normal" scoops in the baking drawer - so should find 1/4tsp.
Sorry, yeah. 1/8th tsp = 500mg.Henry, if I'm not mistaken, the label states 1/4 tsp is 1g? But cool, thanks guys...all I know is that for 2 weeks was using a packed, leveled 1/4 tsp, then 2 weeks a heaping 1/4 tsp...and now a week at weighing out 1 g, week 5 starts tomorrow, and still using the same tub...
Awesome, then my cheap, plastic scale, circa 1997 isn't that too far off, lol... thanks for doing that man.Ok, here's the skinny:
This stuff is light, light, light. Half the weight of HMB-CA. A 1.7cc scoop is generally considered to be "1 Gram". My Tared out scale has a packed, level 1.7cc scoop of HMB-CA at exactly 1 gram. A packed, level scoop of BAIBA is 500mg. A heaping scoop is ~800mg, which is about perfect for my weight (770mg). Every one should *really* buy a scale if they use bulks
Edit: Whoops, almost forgot - Yes, a 1/4tsp is 500mg.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh-GEMINI-20-Portable-MilliGram/dp/B0012TDNAMAwesome, then my cheap, plastic scale, circa 1997 isn't that too far off, lol... thanks for doing that man.
I'm sorry you didn't feel anything the first time around. Keep in mind that since BAIBA is for the most part free of side effects (except maybe some warmth, which you mentioned you may have felt), it can be hard to judge results. I hope you have more noticeable results with your second run, it seems for many extended use was needed before it truly began to shine.I took this, along with Pes - Shift. I honestly can't say I noticed much. My diet is always the same, I rarely do cardio either. I'm fairly lean 10% bf or so and been training 10 + years.
I bought 2 tubs tho, so will try again at some stage. I think it made me feel a little hot after I took it.
Hmm thanks.. because the last time i googled i couldn't find shiat!Antaeus Labs BAIBA. Sold at TGBSupplements, Lockout as well I believe.
PHW too.Hmm thanks.. because the last time i googled i couldn't find shiat!
Used up to a gram for 6 weeks didn't notice anything at all.Any updates from those that took BAIBA?
Get a good evomuse topical instead. Perfect combo with ECThanks for the reply guys. My cut stacks are simple like ECY. Always curious about non-stim products though.
Will do if I need it. Going to see how solo ignit3 goes for the end of my cut. Is the burn free the same ingredients as the others? I'm not too sure if I'll be a fan of the burning sensation of a topical.Get a good evomuse topical instead. Perfect combo with EC
Burn free is the same minus capsaicin.Will do if I need it. Going to see how solo ignit3 goes for the end of my cut. Is the burn free the same ingredients as the others? I'm not too sure if I'll be a fan of the burning sensation of a topical.
Yeah but I'm not going to continue using something for months unless the results are going to be amazing. There are a lot more effective products out there for half the cost of baiba.I've been dosing 2g a day and haven't noticed anything either, but I think it's suppose to be like Evomuse Brite where it works over an extended period of time, turning WAT into BAT. I don't think this has acute effects, but theoretically you should see results months later.
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