I wasn't forgetting anything, it is very common knowledge about the bioavailability and it doesn't change anything because it only takes a very small amount of noopept to be effective and the rest is metabolized. My point was that nooptept is best taken when split into smaller doses throughout the day. I get what they are trying to do and I imagine it is fine for the small group they may be targeting, but my point was that it is very expensive at 10 doses per bottle based on the ingredient profile and if it is the KSM-66 driving up the price, should be removed anyway as that is a staple supplement, not the occasional, which this product is obviously geared towards.One thing that you failed to realize however is that Noopept only has a 10% bioavailability when taken orally. That's why most in the nootropics community take it sublingually or intranasally via a spray. So only about 5mg of those 50mg will be effective so I think it's a pretty fair dose. I think the high price is mostly due to the Phenylpiracetam and Ashweganda, which the company has told me is KSM66 extract. Also, DMHA can be expensive depending on the manufacturer, so it is possible that their particular manufacturer overcharged them.
I also just found out they have a discount code for one of the Facebook nootropics groups. I'm not sure if I can share it here, but I doubt anyone will find out, so I will post it anyway. It's NIKO45 and it gives you 45% off at checkout. That's one of the group admin's codes. They also announced today that they are giving a 14 day money back guarentee for the first 100 orders.
Well the serving size is 3 capsules so you can split the dose. And actually, a few guys in the nootropics group said they don't get any effects below 50mg. I personally use 50mg in a single dose, because that is what works on me. At the same time you got other guys that are taking 10mg. There is a coupon code for 45% off, which would bring the price down to like $43 or something. I think like a lot of companies (Muscletech, cellucor, etc) they probably started the retail price high so they could have room to work with in terms of discounts and specials. Otherwise, if one starts the price already low, there's no room for special offers. Like in sure they could have just sold it for $40, but with that formula, there certainly won't be any sales. The Phenylpiracetam is probably the bulk of it, along with the DMHA, and KSM-66. NALT is cheap. Alpha GPC is expensive though. Idk, ill have to review the formula more but I'd buy it for $40-45, definitely.I wasn't forgetting anything, it is very common knowledge about the bioavailability and it doesn't change anything because it only takes a very small amount of noopept to be effective and the rest is metabolized. My point was that nooptept is best taken when split into smaller doses throughout the day. I get what they are trying to do and I imagine it is fine for the small group they may be targeting, but my point was that it is very expensive at 10 doses per bottle based on the ingredient profile and if it is the KSM-66 driving up the price, should be removed anyway as that is a staple supplement, not the occasional, which this product is obviously geared towards.
Listen, I give them credit for trying something different and actually providing a healthy amount of product. If they brought this into the $40 range, they will probably be successful.
Oh that guy, yeah he could be, idk. Although that username doesn't really doesn't seem like either of the names of the two guys who own it. I actually spoke to them at length via email. They're pretty cool guys. Just a couple of young college students trying to stsrt their own businesses for tuition money. I definitely congratulate them on their efforts. I did express my concern about the price and they did say there were a lot of unexpected expenses at the beginning. Hopefully I can convince them to lower the price at least somewhat.Join date of Jan with 3 posts, they are in this thread, and a marketing pitch commentary...hmmmm. You wouldn't have a connection with Azoth now, would you?
That'd only be a relevant issue if all of the studies didn't use oral administration, which many do, for both animals and humans. As for ashwagandha, KSM-66, it's not all that expensive, trust me. Nothing in that formula even comes close to justifying that outlandish price. Also, most studies use 600mg/day KSM-66 (300mg twice daily), so you're not even getting your "ideal" daily dose of ashwagandha from there, although it's still an effective dose.One thing that you failed to realize however is that Noopept only has a 10% bioavailability when taken orally. That's why most in the nootropics community take it sublingually or intranasally via a spray. So only about 5mg of those 50mg will be effective so I think it's a pretty fair dose. I think the high price is mostly due to the Phenylpiracetam and Ashweganda, which the company has told me is KSM66 extract. Also, DMHA can be expensive depending on the manufacturer, so it is possible that their particular manufacturer overcharged them.
I also just found out they have a discount code for one of the Facebook nootropics groups. I'm not sure if I can share it here, but I doubt anyone will find out, so I will post it anyway. It's NIKO45 and it gives you 45% off at checkout. That's one of the group admin's codes. They also announced today that they are giving a 14 day money back guarentee for the first 100 orders.
The problem with taking 1-2 caps to get more a moderate dose of Noopept is that you're now getting even less of the other ingredients, some of which wouldn't be dosed effectively at all if this were the case. Also, what's the point of 350mg NALT? The research suggests that l-tyrosine > NALT, and pretty much all of the positive tyrosine studies use l-tyrosine, and those tend to use 2g or more. Also, due to the phenylpiracetam, it's not something I'd want to take daily. It's a pretty interesting and solid forumula, but it is nowhere near being worth the cost, even at the discounted price, which is still >$4 per serving. There are other options out there that are just as effective and a lot more affordable, so you could just pick up some standalone phenylpiracetam to add as needed. Also, phenylpiracetam isn't nearly that expensive; if you know where to look, you can get the same amount as is in the total of Azoth for <$4, and that's not even buying in true "bulk" quantities. As for the ashwagandha, you can get the amount that's in the 10 servings for under $1, and that's also not even buying in bulk from the manufacturer, but from a third party who also has to make money and package/label the product.Well the serving size is 3 capsules so you can split the dose. And actually, a few guys in the nootropics group said they don't get any effects below 50mg. I personally use 50mg in a single dose, because that is what works on me. At the same time you got other guys that are taking 10mg. There is a coupon code for 45% off, which would bring the price down to like $43 or something. I think like a lot of companies (Muscletech, cellucor, etc) they probably started the retail price high so they could have room to work with in terms of discounts and specials. Otherwise, if one starts the price already low, there's no room for special offers. Like in sure they could have just sold it for $40, but with that formula, there certainly won't be any sales. The Phenylpiracetam is probably the bulk of it, along with the DMHA, and KSM-66. NALT is cheap. Alpha GPC is expensive though. Idk, ill have to review the formula more but I'd buy it for $40-45, definitely.
I'll talk to them about dropping the discounts and just cutting the price in half. I found out they live in my state, not too far from me, so I'll probably just offer them $40 cash and arrange to meet one of them somewhere. I can update you guys on what I think of it.That'd only be a relevant issue if all of the studies didn't use oral administration, which many do, for both animals and humans. As for ashwagandha, KSM-66, it's not all that expensive, trust me. Nothing in that formula even comes close to justifying that outlandish price. Also, most studies use 600mg/day KSM-66 (300mg twice daily), so you're not even getting your "ideal" daily dose of ashwagandha from there, although it's still an effective dose.
The problem with taking 1-2 caps to get more a moderate dose of Noopept is that you're now getting even less of the other ingredients, some of which wouldn't be dosed effectively at all if this were the case. Also, what's the point of 350mg NALT? The research suggests that l-tyrosine > NALT, and pretty much all of the positive tyrosine studies use l-tyrosine, and those tend to use 2g or more. Also, due to the phenylpiracetam, it's not something I'd want to take daily. It's a pretty interesting and solid forumula, but it is nowhere near being worth the cost, even at the discounted price, which is still >$4 per serving. There are other options out there that are just as effective and a lot more affordable, so you could just pick up some standalone phenylpiracetam to add as needed. Also, phenylpiracetam isn't nearly that expensive; if you know where to look, you can get the same amount as is in the total of Azoth for <$4, and that's not even buying in true "bulk" quantities. As for the ashwagandha, you can get the amount that's in the 10 servings for under $1, and that's also not even buying in bulk from the manufacturer, but from a third party who also has to make money and package/label the product.
TL;DR: It's a pretty good formula, although not something I'd want to take daily (phenylpiracetam), but the outlandish price is nowhere near justified, and you can find similar, or arguably even better, formulas for much less money. I know it sounds harsh, but I don't want people "wasting" their money. Granted, the product will "work," but when you can get something that works just was well for less than 1/2 the price, you're wasting money.
What I'm saying is that there are other options that are pretty much just as effective for a fraction of the price, and if there's something missing, you could always use some of the leftover money to add something that you don't want to take daily, like phenylpiracetam. If you're in school, you'd be better off taking something that has your choline source, huperzine, Noopept, etc on a daily basis, and adding your phenylpiracetam and whatnot on as as-needed basis. Some of these things work better with regular/daily dosing than acute dosing. I'd recommend getting something that covers your daily bases for less than $2/day (and that's for a capped supplement too), and then pick up your phenylpiracetam, which you should be able to get for definitely under $1 per serving (as caps, powder is even cheaper of course). If you want to really get the full benefits from nootropics, you'll want to take some of them daily, which means that you'd need another supplement besides this one to use most of the time, and at that point the only things that you wouldn't be getting from something you could use daily would be the phenylpiracetam (which you can pick up for <$1 per serving capped), and DMHA, which, while interesting, doesn't justify everything above.From what I gather, they're marketing it more as a performance enhancer as opposed to a long term nootropic. More along the lines of like an alternative to say modafinil. They're selling it to their classmates as like a study aid and hangover cure, and so far they seem to be getting decent feedback. Probably what I'll use it for as well. I honestly do sympathize with them. It's their first attempt at a company of any sort and I'd love to see them succeed, especially being so young and all, but I just can't see spending $80 on it. $40 I probably would based on that formula. Like I know how much all this stuff costs individually, so $40-45 is not unreasonable. Yeah, it's a little more than I would pay separately, but honestly, the convenience of the capsulation is worth it to me
Hey, they just went live a week ago. I'm sure they'd be open to constructive criticism. If not, then **** em. I definitely would hate to see them fail, especially after talking to them and seeing how much time and money they have invested in this. They did mention possibly having an upcoming promotional event at one of the universities in Boston, so I may attend that since it's not too far from me. I'm interested in what they're doing, and being that they're kids and not sketchy old guys, I can identify with them.You're just gonna tell them to lower the price and then go meet them to offer $40 for some? Lol. This thread has turned into a nice joke.
I highly recommend finding something that you can take daily, and perhaps using this instead on days where you want the added bonus of phenylpiracetam, if you're not already taking something daily. Not only will it lead to better long-term effects/results, but it may even help you feel better and minimize the "comedown" on days where you're not using Azoth, as you'll still be taking a solid nootropic formula.Guess I'll revive this. I'm currently taking Azoth myself.
So far, I've noticed a significant difference in my focus throughout the day. It works very well, but I did notice a huge comedown on days where I didn't take it. This Saturday for instance, I did not take anything and felt a little lightheaded by the end of the day. I cannot say it was solely due to Azoth however, but it would be my #1 guess.
So far I'd say it's worth trying, but it's not something you would want to take everyday. I'm saving it for days I feel I will need it at work. Best Nootropic product I've taken in a long time I'd say.
There is a promo code floating around for 50% off also$45 on the site now....still > $4 a serving. Tough capsule to swallow (pun intended)
^Thanks for the discount code. Don't know about y'all, but getting raws separately from different sources, weighing them, mixing them, and then putting them in capsules is tedious as hell. These guys have a ridiculously strong formula and it's already encapsulated. The time and energy I'm saving with this is mind blowing. ****s all over any other nootropic supplement on the market.
Guess I'll revive this. I'm currently taking Azoth myself.
So far, I've noticed a significant difference in my focus throughout the day. It works very well, but I did notice a huge comedown on days where I didn't take it. This Saturday for instance, I did not take anything and felt a little lightheaded by the end of the day. I cannot say it was solely due to Azoth however, but it would be my #1 guess.
So far I'd say it's worth trying, but it's not something you would want to take everyday. I'm saving it for days I feel I will need it at work. Best Nootropic product I've taken in a long time I'd say.
Got mine today....thinking of taking it for days at work where my focus, etc. is off (like today, wasn't sick but didn't feel like I was all there).carguy123 Texanpride199 I have used AZOTH 4 times now. The energy and focus last for a good 3 hours and I can definitely feel the noopept in it. If you have ever used nasal spray noopept, for me everything appears in HD vision and it sort of makes me think deeper into things. As far as the Noopept is concerned yes it's high but the bioavailability is the key here. From my research I see it is between 5%-10% conversion. The Phenypiracetam can cause tolerance buildup and the trick is to use AZOTH something like every third day or twice a week. All in all a great product.
Awesome. Just got mine too. Will report back in a week.Got mine today....thinking of taking it for days at work where my focus, etc. is off (like today, wasn't sick but didn't feel like I was all there).
Every 3rd day & twice a week should be perfect.Got mine today....thinking of taking it for days at work where my focus, etc. is off (like today, wasn't sick but didn't feel like I was all there).
Let's see how you like it.Awesome. Just got mine too. Will report back in a week.
Friday usually leaves me dragging a*s on too.Good bro sent me a few days worth to try, thinking I am going to take my first dose Friday AM. Mon-Fri job so usually by Friday I am tired and fried and would be a great day to really put this to the test
How do it go??Awesome. Just got mine too. Will report back in a week.
Glad you liked it!! You're welcome :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:Finally got a chance to try this a few more times. Did 2 caps my first dose, 3 caps my second and third time trying this.
I will just say its a really good product at 3 caps, 2 caps was a little light for my liking but 3 caps really shined. Focus, mental clarity, multitasking, and my verbal fluency were all up. My only complaint is the Phenypiracetam; due to tolerance build up I can only use this 2x a week (sometimes 3x) and I really like to dose this ingredient preworkout. This conflicts with my "normal" supplement schedule as I usually will do some noots and stims before work, then dose a preworkout in the evening before I hit the gym.
Azoth is one of the better, more intense noot blends that I have seen released and it does provide a nice, noticeable effect. I will likely pick up a pouch and just use it for days that I am really dragging. For what you get this product is really not a bad price (assuming its on sale for ~$22 )
HahahaGlad you liked it!! You're welcome :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Phenylpiracetam hydrazideHahaha
BTW that PhenylPiracetam HCL was freaking awesome. ~125mg had me in that tunnel vision mode bigtime