Are non-methyl PH's safer for the liver

[skinnybones]

I was wondering if a non-methyl PH like 1-Andro & 4-Andro are safer for the liver than a methyl like say Halo or M-sten?
I really want to take it easy on my liver during my next cycle. It will probly be my last one any ways.
Was also wondering if a topical would also be easier on my liver than an oral in general?
Thanks brothers.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Yes for sure andro products are less harsh on your liver. Check out the info page on andro, http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/androsterone-prohormone-info
And I always take cycle support even if its not as harsh. Ha

 

[hardknock]

Methy-lation resist breakdown which increases potency or better yet efficacy
Non methyls do not resist breakdown therefore resulting in less work for the liver

 

[skinnybones]

Yes for sure andro products are less harsh on your liver. Check out the info page on andro, http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/androsterone-prohormone-info
And I always take cycle support even if its not as harsh. Ha

Interesting info in that read. Thanks

 

[skinnybones]

Methy-lation resist breakdown which increases potency or better yet efficacy
Non methyls do not resist breakdown therefore resulting in less work for the liver

Less work for the liver but also less efficient?
Is something like 4-Andro a lot less toxic than Halo? Or just a little?

 

[Smont]

Honestly the less toxic and less sides the less effective, that said everyone tolerates sides different. Some ppl can take the harshest shnit and have no sides only gains, others the oposite

 

[Fresco]

Any input on a estra 4,9,11- triene 3,17 dione (trenabolan) on the strain of the liver compared to methlyated orals?

 

[Afi140]

Less work for the liver but also less efficient? Is something like 4-Andro a lot less toxic than Halo? Or just a little?

not necessarily less efficient in each instance. I ran halo a while back and ended up keeping 6ish lbs (everyone responds differently to different compounds) I have also ran 1 and 4 Andro products and kept 6-7 lbs. these products are much easier on the liver but the liver is the most resilient organ we have. Halo is pretty mild, I only noticed BP went up a little. If you're just starting I say 1&4 Andro products for sure. We have both Finaflex and ironmag labs at strongsupplementshop.com
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[Abe Lincoln]

Any input on a estra 4,9,11- triene 3,17 dione (trenabolan) on the strain of the liver compared to methlyated orals?

That is a 19nor, not so much nonmethylated, still not too bad, compared to SD

 

[NurseGray]

Here is some good info for you.

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/articles/1androwhatareyouwaitingfor/

http://youtu.be/Nz_ORPHbZJY

 

[hardknock]

As everyone has stated, it pretty much depends on the individual biochem make up for that person...

All things being equal, yes less toxic.

But, here's the deal, you really won't know how much less or more harmful something is unless you have blood work done with each substance which you ingest. For me, being in the game for approx 20 years, I have blood work for just about any non or methylated PED that I have taken

When the Andro products popped up, I also ran bloods during those usages...all the Andro products have affected my blood panels MUCH less than any of my runs with methyl but my use of injections were the most efficient of anything. I haven't injected since like 2000' though.

That being said, I haven't messed around with anything in over 4 years, so take it all with a grain of salt.

I'll tell you this. My pockets were not hurting nearly as much with methyls/injections as they were with any Andro products.

 

[bcazo]

I was wondering if a non-methyl PH like 1-Andro & 4-Andro are safer for the liver than a methyl like say Halo or M-sten?
I really want to take it easy on my liver during my next cycle. It will probly be my last one any ways.
Was also wondering if a topical would also be easier on my liver than an oral in general?
Thanks brothers.

What's up brother!!! I know you had some liver issues so I know where your coming from... You should really check out Olympus Dermastrength.. I'm running it solo now and it feels like a mild PH run for sure... Strength and recovery has gone through the roof after 10 days!! If you have any questions shoot me a PM

DermaSTRENGTH | Powerful Transdermal Laxogenin| Nutri-Verse.com

 

[Fresco]

Thanks for the reply abe

 

[skinnybones]

What's up brother!!! I know you had some liver issues so I know where your coming from... You should really check out Olympus Dermastrength.. I'm running it solo now and it feels like a mild PH run for sure... Strength and recovery has gone through the roof after 10 days!! If you have any questions shoot me a PM

DermaSTRENGTH | Powerful Transdermal Laxogenin| Nutri-Verse.com

What's happening Caz. Good to hear from you! In comming PM

 

[bcazo]

What's happening Caz. Good to hear from you! In comming PM

All is good!!! I responded my friend

 

[skinnybones]

Does anyone know if 4-Hydroxy-3-methoxyphenyl is liver toxic? I'm reading that it's plant derived.

 

[Smont]

Never heard of it, off to the google machinery i go!

 

[Smont]

From what i gather its furlic acid, not a ph, its a plant based protien related to fennyl and commonly used to make some sweeteners and vanilla extracts? Saw no info relating it to strength or muscle.