They have been out since the beginning of the summer or sometime around then. They started on facebook i believe. I found them and they offered 8 weeks free of bulk up if we log it so i was like sure why not. well never got the stuff. There products are similar to the androseries only smaller dosages. they may claim to be just as strong and for cheaper, but when you calculate it out, its the opposite. Anyways, ive seen them on PHF and when somebody is "logging" it then dont even respond to questions or anything else on there....this is why we think the logs are fake. then the before and after pictures are like they just took test and d bol, just unreal.