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Which works best safer and legal in the u.s
Which works best, for what results...?Which works best safer and legal in the u.s
Im sure good ole Rick Collins has claimed that SARMs are not captured by current DASCA law.I honestly dont think ostarine is "legal" to buy due to the DASCA laws. Could be wrong though
Ostarine is sh1t. I mean, if youre gonna take something that impacts the hpta, go for something that at least gives you a pretty decent shot at adding some lbm. 1andro would be more a sure-thing than osta.Which works best safer and legal in the u.s
they without question are.Im sure good ole Rick Collins has claimed that SARMs are not captured by current DASCA law.
Comes down to definitions. SARMs are cuurrently ill-defined; they are not supplements, and not prescription drugs. They are in-limbo compounds.they without question are.
incorrect.Comes down to definitions. SARMs are cuurrently ill-defined; they are not supplements, and not prescription drugs. They are in-limbo compounds.
there is zero argument as to the illegality of SARMs``(C)(i) Subject to clause (ii), a drug or hormonal substance (other
than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone)
that is not listed in subparagraph (A) and is derived from, or has a
chemical structure substantially similar to, 1 or more anabolic steroids
listed in subparagraph (A) shall be considered to be an anabolic steroid
for purposes of this Act if--
``(I) the drug or substance has been created or manufactured
with the intent of producing a drug or other substance that
either--
``(aa) promotes muscle growth; or
``(bb) otherwise causes a pharmacological effect
similar to that of testosterone; or
``(II) the drug or substance has been, or is intended to be,
marketed or otherwise promoted in any manner suggesting that
consuming it will promote muscle growth or any other
pharmacological effect similar to that of testosterone.
``(ii) A substance shall not be considered to be a drug or hormonal
substance for purposes of this subparagraph if it--
``(I) is--
``(aa) an herb or other botanical;
``(bb) a concentrate, metabolite, or extract of, or
a constituent isolated directly from, an herb or other
botanical; or
``(cc) a combination of 2 or more substances
described in item (aa) or (bb);
``(II) is a dietary ingredient for purposes of the Federal
Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.); and
``(III) is not anabolic or androgenic.
Lolincorrect.
there is zero argument as to the illegality of SARMs
highly unlikely, I agree. Still TECHNICALLY illegal, yes.Read what Collins has to say. He says on one hand Ostarine is not within the scope of the DASCA...but on the other, he seems to agree that, as an investigational drug, it would be illegal to sell as a supplement.
The likelyhood of any regular Joe being prosecuted/fined for purchasing personal-use amounts of a SARM? Highly unlikely.
http://www.steroidlaw.com/2016/02/ostarine-dietary-supplements-and-the-law/
1 Andro and 4 Andro will be your best legal options. You can look at products like 1-AD and Androdiol by Hi-Tech Pharma. Or if you want a combo product look at Superdol 3 tabs daily for 6 weeks. In any event always make sure you follow up with a SERM and/or a Quality OTC PCT like Form-XT or Estrogenix 2nd Generation.
which onesI disagree so many effective pcts run with non serms
There are TONS of guys on the forums who have shown you can run an effective OTC PCTwhich ones
Completley agree. In fact ALL of my cycles have been run with OTC PCT including an 8 week SuperDrol run. Maybe it's me or maybe I'm just not running a crazy amount of product. What ever the case I do get enough results to make me happy and I have never run into any rebound issues.There are TONS of guys on the forums who have shown you can run an effective OTC PCT
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/197883-bringing-boys-back.html
Valid for sure. It sucks that you have to be Dick Tracy to find a good RC (if you can't get Rx, which could take ALL DAY ). I get Hot Flashes like a Mofo on legit Clomid, so it's easy to do a test - but I hear ya.My issue lays solely with research chemicals. if you have access to pharm grade SERMS, have at it. I do not trust RC whatsoever.
1-Andro is great. It's a really clean compound and can do a lot to help you with your goals. I'd use 1-Testosterone from Hi-Tech or 1-Andro from LG Sciences. Both great products. You do need to eat, just add in a small amount of 4-Andro only if you need it.Which works best safer and legal in the u.s
Completely. Sludge at the bottom. Improper mixing. No idea what you are dosing and taking. I want no part of Research based SERMS.My issue lays solely with research chemicals. if you have access to pharm grade SERMS, have at it. I do not trust RC whatsoever.
Here is the issue, most people are not going to get bloodwork. If one can get bloodwork, MAYBE I would say some things do not need a SERM. However, we all need to keep in mind that we all react and rebound differently. I would always suggest to run a SERM, just to be on the safe side. I do agree with you on RCs though.There are TONS of guys on the forums who have shown you can run an effective OTC PCT
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/197883-bringing-boys-back.html
the problem is 90%+ of people on here are referring to RC's when they discuss SERMsHere is the issue, most people are not going to get bloodwork. If one can get bloodwork, MAYBE I would say some things do not need a SERM. However, we all need to keep in mind that we all react and rebound differently. I would always suggest to run a SERM, just to be on the safe side. I do agree with you on RCs though.
There are TONS of guys on the forums who have shown you can run an effective OTC PCT
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I don't remember that particular one, no.Thanks
Do you remember a guy on bb.com, and im talking quite a few years ago now. He was from hawai, was in his 40'si, ran 3 strong PH's and got completely shutdown.. his blood analysis figure was literally under 10 for free test (or thereabouts) to the shock of his doctor.
He fully recovered using a couple OTC PCT products, with post pct bloodwork. Just wish I could remember his username.
Here's the thing though - and this goes to ANT's point as well: If you are a healthy male "into fitness/nutrition" guy in his late 20's, early-mid 30's (and maybe even older?) - your body, based on the odds, will recover without doing anything at all. Go ask an endocrinologist what the quickest way is, to get the HPTA to kick back in - he'll tell you "stop the exogenous hormones". It's not really "normal" for the body to stay "shut down forever" - it happens (natty 'til 26 boys!), but it isn't "normal". Go ask a guy from the 70's, 80's or 90's what "PCT" is, and you'll probably get a strange look.Thanks
Do you remember a guy on bb.com, and im talking quite a few years ago now. He was from hawai, was in his 40'si, ran 3 strong PH's and got completely shutdown.. his blood analysis figure was literally under 10 for free test (or thereabouts) to the shock of his doctor.
He fully recovered using a couple OTC PCT products, with post pct bloodwork. Just wish I could remember his username.
Here's the thing though - and this goes to ANT's point as well: If you are a healthy male "into fitness/nutrition" guy in his late 20's, early-mid 30's (and maybe even older?) - your body, based on the odds, will recover without doing anything at all. Go ask an endocrinologist what the quickest way is, to get the HPTA to kick back in - he'll tell you "stop the exogenous hormones". It's not really "normal" for the body to stay "shut down forever" - it happens (natty 'til 26 boys!), but it isn't "normal". Go ask a guy from the 70's, 80's or 90's what "PCT" is, and you'll probably get a strange look.
In Vaughn's example, the guy said his pre-cycle level was in the 800's. And after he stopped - it went back up to the 800's. Some will credit the OTC supplement - others will say you would have done the same just using water. I do think OTC will give you a small speed advantage over "natural recovery" though. So, if you absolutely, positively can't get Rx, and won't use RC for some reason - then (don't cycle ) I'd use an OTC too, there's nothing to lose (ie. it doesn't cause damage). Just realize that a SERM may do something like: 200/400/800/1300 and an OTC may do something like: 200/350/425/575 - "gains" retention and "how you feel" are concerns too. "Nothing" may take longer, but likely you will reach the same number IMO.
Edit: Vaughn beat me about the Old School Guys! LOL
Here's the thing though - and this goes to ANT's point as well: If you are a healthy male "into fitness/nutrition" guy in his late 20's, early-mid 30's (and maybe even older?) - your body, based on the odds, will recover without doing anything at all. Go ask an endocrinologist what the quickest way is, to get the HPTA to kick back in - he'll tell you "stop the exogenous hormones". It's not really "normal" for the body to stay "shut down forever" - it happens (natty 'til 26 boys!), but it isn't "normal". Go ask a guy from the 70's, 80's or 90's what "PCT" is, and you'll probably get a strange look.
In Vaughn's example, the guy said his pre-cycle level was in the 800's. And after he stopped - it went back up to the 800's. Some will credit the OTC supplement - others will say you would have done the same just using water. I do think OTC will give you a small speed advantage over "natural recovery" though. So, if you absolutely, positively can't get Rx, and won't use RC for some reason - then (don't cycle ) I'd use an OTC too, there's nothing to lose (ie. it doesn't cause damage). Just realize that a SERM may do something like: 200/400/800/1300 and an OTC may do something like: 200/350/425/575 - "gains" retention and "how you feel" are concerns too. "Nothing" may take longer, but likely you will reach the same number IMO.
Edit: Vaughn beat me about the Old School Guys! LOL
And I'm sure there are other people in a similar situation who weren't so fortunate, and they subsequently had to get on TRT for life. Is that a gamble you want to take?Thanks
Do you remember a guy on bb.com, and im talking quite a few years ago now. He was from hawai, was in his 40'si, ran 3 strong PH's and got completely shutdown.. his blood analysis figure was literally under 10 for free test (or thereabouts) to the shock of his doctor.
He fully recovered using a couple OTC PCT products, with post pct bloodwork. Just wish I could remember his username.
A guy I know lost his balls in a weird vacuum incident. This is why I dont use vacuums nowAnd I'm sure there are other people in a similar situation who weren't so fortunate, and they subsequently had to get on TRT for life. Is that a gamble you want to take?
He should have reversed the switch - it's called a *blow* job.A guy I know lost his balls in a weird vacuum incident. This is why I dont use vacuums now
Steroids alone are a gamble.And I'm sure there are other people in a similar situation who weren't so fortunate, and they subsequently had to get on TRT for life. Is that a gamble you want to take?
A guy I know lost his balls in a weird vacuum incident. This is why I dont use vacuums now
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