1-andro 4-andro prostate risk

[BoxingFreak]

Okay so I am getting ready to run a 1-andro and 4-andro stack, and upon reading the bottles it says consult your physician if you have family history of prostate cancer. So my grandfather was diagnosed with prostate cancer in his mid 70s. No other family members had been diagnosed with it. How much at risk am I? Should I worry a lot about this? If I should worry.. What precautions can I take to reduce the risk of the 1 and 4 affecting the prostate. Help me out brothas!!!!!!

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Natural things that are believed to help the prostate are Saw Palmetto, Pumpkinseed Oil, Beta-Sitosterol, Pygeum, etc... Newer'ish research is also suggesting that it may not even be DHT that is the culprit, but Estrogen. So maybe an AI on cycle? I don't know, different groups have different preferences as to when to take an AI, if at all.

 

[BoxingFreak]

Natural things that are believed to help the prostate are Saw Palmetto, Pumpkinseed Oil, Beta-Sitosterol, Pygeum, etc... Newer'ish research is also suggesting that it may not even be DHT that is the culprit, but Estrogen. So maybe an AI on cycle? I don't know, different groups have different preferences as to when to take an AI, if at all.

I know I've been told an AI on cycle will hinder gains, but what I am wondering is if stackin the two andros together will help balance out estro, I know the 4 converts but the 1 doesn't. Plus I will be taking an AI post cycle too. And I am just wondering at how much of a risk I am looking at. Just my grandfather with it, and diagnose super late in his life. And I do believe it is the estro that causes it IMO... Also wondering if a simple prostate med on and post cycle would be suffice?

 

[ZackD89]

Cialis (Tadalafil) has been shown to prevent prostrate enlargement. Another forum had a great post about all the benefits of daily cialis, I'll try to find it later.

 

[mountainman33]

DHT is the main prostate enlargement culprit, not estrogen. 800 mgs. beta-sitosterol daily will make a big difference.

 

[BoxingFreak]

DHT is the main prostate enlargement culprit, not estrogen. 800 mgs. beta-sitosterol daily will make a big difference.

So with me running the 1 and 4 for 6 weeks, would u worry?

 

[bcruder]

Most BPH symptoms are actually the result of excess muscle tone which is why alpha blockers and PDE5 inhibitors help. Some blockages result from localized overgrowth of a single lobe of the prostate (surgically treatable) rather than general growth.

DHT is responsible for the developmental growth of both the prostate and the penis. It is also responsible for maintaining those organs. Eliminating DHT for any significant period shrinks BOTH and the penis may not recover. Permanent sexual dysfunction has been claimed to result from 5AR inhibitions like finasteride and dutasteride. Perhaps it is fortunate that trials of herbal products such as saw palmetto and supplements such as beta-sitosterol reported in Medscape show no proof of effectiveness.

Estrogen is probable but not proved to be responsible for stimulating the growth of existing prostate cancers. In-vitro research suggests that it is involved in long-term prostate growth and therefore BPH. Blocking estrogen may help but is probably not worth the side effects unless one suspects cancer.

This suggests the use of alpha-blockers, especially if one also has hypertension (as I do) or PDE5 inhibitors if one also has ED. If those do not help then a trans-urethral exam and possible trans-urethral surgery is indicated. My father had the surgery and disclosed an early bladder cancer which was treated.

Delaying treatment through belief in an ineffective supplement could have been fatal.

 

[BoxingFreak]

Most BPH symptoms are actually the result of excess muscle tone which is why alpha blockers and PDE5 inhibitors help. Some blockages result from localized overgrowth of a single lobe of the prostate (surgically treatable) rather than general growth.

DHT is responsible for the developmental growth of both the prostate and the penis. It is also responsible for maintaining those organs. Eliminating DHT for any significant period shrinks BOTH and the penis may not recover. Permanent sexual dysfunction has been claimed to result from 5AR inhibitions like finasteride and dutasteride. Perhaps it is fortunate that trials of herbal products such as saw palmetto and supplements such as beta-sitosterol reported in Medscape show no proof of effectiveness.

Estrogen is probable but not proved to be responsible for stimulating the growth of existing prostate cancers. In-vitro research suggests that it is involved in long-term prostate growth and therefore BPH. Blocking estrogen may help but is probably not worth the side effects unless one suspects cancer.

This suggests the use of alpha-blockers, especially if one also has hypertension (as I do) or PDE5 inhibitors if one also has ED. If those do not help then a trans-urethral exam and possible trans-urethral surgery is indicated. My father had the surgery and disclosed an early bladder cancer which was treated.

Delaying treatment through belief in an ineffective supplement could have been fatal.

Great info... So u suggest not using any prostate supps?

 

[ZackD89]

Here's that post I mentioned about Cialis being awesome: steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/654641-cialis-amazing-drug-all-its-benefits-off-cycle-use.html

 

[BoxingFreak]

Here's that post I mentioned about Cialis being awesome: steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/654641-cialis-amazing-drug-all-its-benefits-off-cycle-use.html

Crazy article bro, thanks, but what would YOU do in my position on cycle and in pct

 

[mountainman33]

Your grandfather was diagnosed in his 70's? And he's the only one. I think you're being way too overly cautious. Just run your cycle, use supports, and enjoy your gains.

 

[Chevy]

Running any cycle has inherit risks, running supports help reduce severity & improve recovery but don't think you can just effect your hormonal balance without the possibility of future sides or getting off free so to speak, you might be lucky like many are but then again it could really impact your health later. You have to weigh your options, what are your goals? If you are only looking into ph/aas etc just to look better in the mirror you want to be sure it's worth it in the long run.

 

[BoxingFreak]

Your grandfather was diagnosed in his 70's? And he's the only one. I think you're being way too overly cautious. Just run your cycle, use supports, and enjoy your gains.

Got it. U think a simple prostate supp that includes saw palmetto, pumpkin seed, vitamin c, zinc, beta sitosterol will be just fine? Yeah man I know I'm being paranoid! Just a total noob with cold feet man! I know How I sound. Money is no problem, I have an amazing job, so that's why I ask so much, id rather spend a ton of money and be as safe as possible !

 

[Chevy]

NOW Foods Prostate Health capsules would be a good start to look at but I'm sure are plenty others.

 

[BoxingFreak]

NOW Foods Prostate Health capsules would be a good start to look at but I'm sure are plenty others.

Thanks man. I appreciate your advice. I am not the type of person that is going to be "blasting and cruising" on PH and stuff. Just a legal PH cycle to help me achieve my fitness goals and break through the stubborn trouble areas that my genetics have lead to. I do understand there are risks; that's why I am doing the red yeast rice, coq10 and garlic for heart health and things like that. I even throw tudca in for liver health, even if it's a non methylated PH. I just wanted to add something for my prostate as well. I want to Try and cover it all
So at least I am making the best effort at keeping future issues minimal.