1,4AD + X-mass clone =??

[tom0788]

Running revolt 4 weeks probably like this 25/50/50/possibly 75mg. Question is, what could be an effective dose of 1,4AD to stack with the revolt?

 

[bigschmidt821]

well 300-600mg depending on what feels right to you. in the case of it being a true prohormone i say go with the full dosage but work your way up there

 

[grantr]

Running revolt 4 weeks probably like this 25/50/50/possibly 75mg. Question is, what could be an effective dose of 1,4AD to stack with the revolt?

thats not an effective dose of revolt

 

[Dr_C2]

Running revolt 4 weeks probably like this 25/50/50/possibly 75mg. Question is, what could be an effective dose of 1,4AD to stack with the revolt?

As was posted above, 300-600mg of M1,4-AD would be a range but targeting the upper bound would be my recommendation b/c of the low conversion rate of M1,4-AD (approx 5%).

You may want to consider M1,4-ADD @ 70mgs. It has a higher conversion rate (12%+) and you could use a lower overall amount of mgs. That would make your liver happier.

 

[tom0788]

As was posted above, 300-600mg of M1,4-AD would be a range but targeting the upper bound would be my recommendation b/c of the low conversion rate of M1,4-AD (approx 5%).

You may want to consider M1,4-ADD @ 70mgs. It has a higher conversion rate (12%+) and you could use a lower overall amount of mgs. That would make your liver happier.

Its actually just plain 1,4AD that i have, not M1,4-AD.

 

[BigPHusers11]

thats not an effective dose of revolt

that would be a effective dose 75-100 right?

 

[Dr_C2]

Its actually just plain 1,4AD that i have, not M1,4-AD.

M1,4-AD and 1,4-AD may be a references for the same compound. The "M" in front of the 1 is a short hand way of writing "Methyl." All capsule/pill forms of 1,4-AD or 1,4-ADD are methylated so as to sustain bioavailability as they pass through the liver. As they pass the liver they are converted via various enzymatic processes in active target hormones, in this case boldenone.

The label may not report it as such, but that is may very well be what it is. i have seen some liberal labeling in the past.

Now, as I type this the thought occurs to me that there is one other possible configuration that could be refered to as "1,4-AD" that could be made available in pill/capsule and that is 1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione. in that case a double bond exist in place of the -OH in the target compound and there is no CH3 at the C17 location of the base structure. In this case the conversion of the double bonded O would -OH would produce an active target hormone. However, based on the known enzymatic processes, I again would say this the conversion rate of this compound would only approach 5%.

 

[tom0788]

That is what i have, 1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione, you think M1,4ADD would be a better choice at the 70mg's per day?

 

[Dr_C2]

That is what i have, 1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione, you think M1,4ADD would be a better choice at the 70mg's per day?

My opinion is yes, M1,4-ADD is a better choice if your goal is to build lean muscle mass.

I base my opinion on the fact that M1,4-ADD (as a diol) converts to boldenone at a rate of approx 12% per mg of ingested PH once in the body. Some say 15%, but I am not willing to go that high b/c I've not seen a study to support that number. 1,4-AD (the dione version) converts to boldenone in the body at a rate of approx 5% per mg of ingested PH.

So, at the same mg amount the M1,4-ADD should produce almost 2.5 times the effect of 1,4-AD.

Example:

100 mg of M1,4-ADD converts to about 12 mg of boldenone
100 mg of 1,4-AD converts to about 5 mg of boldenone

Hence, M1,4-ADD is about 2.5 times more bioavailable in the same does as 1,4-AD.

Bottomline: you can use less mgs of M1,4-ADD per day and get the same effect as a lot more mgs of 1,4-AD. Using less mgs is almost always safer and should be the logical choice if the results are the same (other consideration held constant).

 

[grantr]

that would be a effective dose 75-100 right?

I took xmass at 3 pills a day (120 mg) and gained around 14 lbs...Now the xmass pills are 40 mg as opposed to revolts 25 mg...I just did a cycle of havoc and added m13 (another 25 mg pill clone of xmass) and noticed nothing from it. This leads me to conclude that if I were to take that again, I would pop two 25 mg pills at a time 3 times a day. I think the 25 mg is an ineffective dose. Lucky for me I was able to obtain a bottle of xmass a couple weeks ago

 

[njt11]

Running revolt 4 weeks probably like this 25/50/50/possibly 75mg. Question is, what could be an effective dose of 1,4AD to stack with the revolt?

Before you take everyone's advice, give us more info.

How big are you? Height? Weight? How many years lifting? First PH cycle?

I ran my first PH cycle as Revolt + Megazol. Did 75mg Revolt for 30 days alongside 100/150/200mg Megazol and gained 15lbs. Loved it, but revolt gave me some bad shutdown compared to other PHs I've tried. Before you start taking 150mg of a very potent substance give us more of a background.

 

[BigPHusers11]

Before you take everyone's advice, give us more info.

How big are you? Height? Weight? How many years lifting? First PH cycle?

I ran my first PH cycle as Revolt + Megazol. Did 75mg Revolt for 30 days alongside 100/150/200mg Megazol and gained 15lbs. Loved it, but revolt gave me some bad shutdown compared to other PHs I've tried. Before you start taking 150mg of a very potent substance give us more of a background.

6" weight 183...taken superdrol, m1t, 1 AD in the past with proper PCT...

 

[BigPHusers11]

6" weight 183...taken superdrol, m1t, 1 AD in the past with proper post cycle therapy...

been cuting down 9% bf