I think they’re just very intelligent nerdy guys - if you have ever known some people like this, they can have a hard time relating to how the more average intellect thinks. It is a character flaw obviously, because it actually holds back their ability to share/educate, but we’re all flawed.
I haven’t seen any number of real guys that Alex has produced, but he has definitely produced some sick females. And pretty much everything I’ve learned from him about women on his podcast has transferred incredibly to my wife competing as a professional strongwoman. I mean, truly incredible results with the stuff I’ve learned with far better health impact & side effects compared to more traditional, less educated methods for women.
As for Andy - you are mistaken. For one, he is absolutely top of the world class in his weightclass. Top 10 in the entire world placings. And he has routinely consulted with/trained/guided many American Giants Live/WSM competitors. If you don’t understand strongman, Giants Live is the international feeder circuit for the WSM comp. I know off the top of my head at least 6 heavyweight Open men who have competed in Giants Shows, 2 of which have been to World’s, one been to the finals as well as OWNING the American Logpress record until a month or so ago. He’s also responsible for a decent cut of the top 10 best Pro middleweight men in the world, and when my wife took 4th at World’s a few years back she only narrowly edged out one of his lightweight Pros. He has also guided the top middleweight Pro woman in the world before.
If someone has been in the top 10 in the world and their roster is so star-studded you can’t count them all on 2 hands, that’s one of the very best coaches ever. For perspective, Chad Nichols doesn’t have that kind of profile in bodybuilding. Most of the guys using insulin in pro strongman, at least the Americans, have learned directly or secondhand from Triana. My wife’s coach, a middle AND heavy Pro, when I asked him for his personal support supplement protocol, told me he got it from Andy. It was nearly identical to mine, which I had gotten from Beast Fitness Radio largely over time.
People like Leo & Bostin have no idea.