That is rather oversimplifying it. Thermagize XT is probably the strongest of the fully compliant products you will find. Dual sources Caffeine (for big hit then sustained feel), huge Dynamine and Teacrine dosage, Higenamine and Alpha-Y provide a pretty wide range of stimulants. If stimulated fat burning is your goal if that doesn't work you probably need a break (or different expectation from stimulants).
I am probably in the minority that think those old stim burners weren't that helpful other than if you just want to feel cracked out.
For other options currently available MA Labs Stim Freak gives Eria J and DMHA with Caffeine if that is your preference. Otherwise it is trying to find things that are probably being cleared out of inventory next.
Yeah, I actually posted in the supplement section looking for fat burners that still have DMAA or DMHA and it looks like they're a bit hard to find. I bought a preworkout called Dark Energy that has both + 400mg of caffeine. I still have some Lipodrene and a few other ones from Hi Tech, but it looks like they've taken DMAA out of all their stuff. A nice person also gave me a source for pure ephedrine w/o the guaifenesin so I could do that as well.
The fat burning potential of DMAA and all its derivatives is questionable, there were never any studies on it except it was used as a nasal decongestant in the 30s. But if it's increasing your heart rate, it's obviously raising your BMR, so theoretically it should work as a fat burner.
Order yourself some invictus and get in on this deal. These will aid in any cutting cycle. The combination is killer for cutting and limited if any sides.
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That sounds very interesting, I'll have to look into it. Can you give me the URL where I can order it from?
Sooo some good suggestions above. I like clen and t3 personally but note you want to swerve that.
for me the one no one has mentioned that is right up there is peptides. Tesamorelin is awesome but the most expensive and hard to find.
mk677 plus cjc dac is really good, slightly less expensive.
hex or ipam cheap af but multiple pins.
they all work though
I'm really not up to date on all the peptides and how they work and what they do other than IGF-1, which apparently also works as a fat burner. I don't mind pinning, but I just have no clue what most of that stuff is. I have a stockpile of SARMs along with MK677, but I'm waiting on some blood results to see how my cholesterol is and etc before I run any cycles with anabolics. I'm hoping to get on TRT, not only for muscle but also for depression.
What is cjc dac?
For some natural options:
SNS Lean Edge - stim free and loaded with proven, branded ingredients... I've personally used twice already and its really the only non-stim product I've ever seen any results with
SNS Yohimbine 2.5 (yohimbine hcl) - just bulk caps, but yhcl is one of the best stubborn fat reducing products available. Of note though, y can be rough for many people (look into SNS Alpha-Yohimbine for a lower risk with similar benefit option if you're worried).
I've got 2.5mg yohimbine which I actually use before sex and it works great. I've read it's actually prescribed in other countries as an alternative to Viagra. It's even listed on
RXlist as a drug that's prescribed and has info on all it's clinical pharmacology and so forth.
SNS Lean Edge looks pretty good, I'll consider it.
I have used the eca stack a few times and just added the y my last time and the y really seemed to kick it up.
Not tried albuterol but anyone know how it compares to eca? I know clen is really good but seems to really have issues and you have that weird two weeks on a week of then whatever it is
Albuterol is a asthma medication, just like clen, but it's much less stimulating and doesn't give you the shakes or anything and I don't think it down regulates as much or as fast as clen. I think I posted this already, but I'll link it again. It has some good info on it. I've used it personally and found it much more tolerable than Clen.
Albuterol is a selective beta-2 adrenoreceptor agonist similar to Clenbuterol. Albuterol carries a short half-life and becomes active very quickly, excellent for fat loss
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As far as T3, I want to stay away from it. I would just rather use something less potent, I guess. I don't see anyone selling Tiratricol, but back in the day Syntrax sold it as "Triax" and I don't remember how it works, but it increases thyroid output or simulates it and is much less suppressive or harsh as T3. I have some old bottles of Diacana which have the original T2 precursor in it, so I could use that. I wonder if anyone has tried
Armour Thyroid. I think it's legally sold as a supplement, but it's also prescribed to people with low thyroid. It's just ground up cow thyroid and it has all the hormones in it, sort of like beef liver.
Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions and advice. I'll have to take a look into K-11 and see what it's also about.
-SS