Hello everyone.
I just wanted to spread some real information around about my last sarm cycle I did as well as what you can really expect to see in terms of sides. First off, other forums of guys saying (they are only 5-10% as suppressive as AAS) is totally BS. Also, they advise only to take a about 4-6 weeks off before hopping on again. Again, imo this is dumb since it takes much longer to be fully recovered. Finally, they down play some of the sides you can get and say to run them for 12 weeks and they are totally safe and don't do anything. Let me tell you the real facts on these things.
First off let me break down the cycle I ran. 1-12: lgd 10mg ED 1-12: s4 tapered up to 100mg ed by week 7 1-12: rad 140 tapered up to 30mg ed by week 8
My cycle was pretty high dosed as you can see and I overdid the doses a bit esp on the rad. I dropped the cycle around week 10 since it my mental health was getting crappy and I was feeling really down. At the time, I was also too obsessed with the gym and myself and it started to impact my work/social life. Aka (I felt really stupid and I was an egotistical tool). Finally, the drugs lost their effectiveness by around weeks 8-10, by the end of the cycle I was no longer feeling "on".
results: the results were fantastic, I look like a totally different person from before the cycle till now. I would say I packed on 10-12lbs of solid lean gains and got shredded at the same time (7-8%bf). The way it changed the way I carried muscle also made a big difference to me as well. I looked a little disproportionately big in my shoulders and upper back (this could be due to genetic and training style, also was an NCAA swimmer so I have always had good development in those areas). The drug s4 also gave you a very dry and granite like "look". When i was running doses of 100mg It seemed impossible to put on water weight and bodyfat. Very good for aesthetics and looking like a sikkunt.
pros: sarms work well if you take enough of them along with a good program. They blew away dmz and the andros by far from my experience. Ive never done real aas so I can't compare sarms to that.
cons: sex drive was hit or miss on cycle, I had a few hookups on cycle and even though the ladies were very good looking I did take me a bit longer to get up (which was ass), had no problems staying up though. (this could also be due to the fact I was pretty drunk in almost all instances). gyno flareups here and there on cycle, took letro about 1 time per week to settle it down. Feelings of low test (mentally) towards the end of the cycle.
PCT: coming off I didn't experience a "crash" until about a week off cycle when the drugs cleared. Physically nothing was an issue. But mentally I felt super super depressed pretty much near suicidal all the time. (life was also contributing to this, but I know the sarms made it much worse). weeks 2-4 were also a little rough mentally. By week 5-6 I started to feel back to normal. My pct was 10mg of nolva ed for 3 weeks along with super pct. After I dropped those 2 things I ran daa for 2 weeks and inhibit e. By week 5 (suprisingly once the nolva cleared) My right nipple started to hurt bad. So I have been taking letro since, so far the pain is reduced greatly and the swelling is starting to go down. I will continue to hit the letro until the gyno is gone and taper off then hit nolva for 2 weeks followed by an otc anti e again. As far as my gains go, I haven't lost any strength, in fact I have made strength gains since being off. but what do I look like compared to on cycle? well I look similar, but there is a clear difference to my physique. Im currently maintaining around 10% bf as of right now. My muscle is all still there, but I look much different due to the drugs no longer being in my system. SO, do you keep sarm gains? yes and no, yes in the fact that you keep whatever muscle you gained. No in the fact you're not gonna look as good as you did when you were on drugs. There will be a difference in a negative way aka (you look natural again).
This is a long post. But these things are stronger then people think they are. Look at studies done by actual scientists. Lgd supresses you to a fair extent at 1mg for 21 days. I took way more crap then that. So obviously more shutdown. I guess I am making this not to listen to guys on isarms or evolutionary. Don't run osta in pct (this is retarded) and don't think these things come without sides.
finally. Can they cause gyno? (it depends on the person but most certainly yes) they aren't hormonal and don't convert to estrogen which is very true. However people overlook the fact that if you take enough of these things, your natural test will have no where to go due to your receptors being clogged with the sarms. This will cause conversion to estrogen, it may not be a big issue on cycle, but once off when you remove the sarms you have lowered levels of test with high estrogen. This imbalance creates a favorable environment for gyno once you get off until you re stabilize.
Basically, if anyone is thinking of running sarms here is my takeaway. 1) Don't take as much crap as I did. (stick with 1-2 compounds at moderate doses) 2) only run them for 8-10 weeks max 3) run a low dose AI on cycle like exem 12.5 e3d 4) come off with a serm for at least 4 weeks 5) take long breaks between runs
this was my experience. I got great gains but I pushed it and now I'm suffering a bit. the gyno is under control but these things def messed up more hormones more than what others have said. hope this helps a lot of others.
I just wanted to spread some real information around about my last sarm cycle I did as well as what you can really expect to see in terms of sides. First off, other forums of guys saying (they are only 5-10% as suppressive as AAS) is totally BS. Also, they advise only to take a about 4-6 weeks off before hopping on again. Again, imo this is dumb since it takes much longer to be fully recovered. Finally, they down play some of the sides you can get and say to run them for 12 weeks and they are totally safe and don't do anything. Let me tell you the real facts on these things.
First off let me break down the cycle I ran. 1-12: lgd 10mg ED 1-12: s4 tapered up to 100mg ed by week 7 1-12: rad 140 tapered up to 30mg ed by week 8
My cycle was pretty high dosed as you can see and I overdid the doses a bit esp on the rad. I dropped the cycle around week 10 since it my mental health was getting crappy and I was feeling really down. At the time, I was also too obsessed with the gym and myself and it started to impact my work/social life. Aka (I felt really stupid and I was an egotistical tool). Finally, the drugs lost their effectiveness by around weeks 8-10, by the end of the cycle I was no longer feeling "on".
results: the results were fantastic, I look like a totally different person from before the cycle till now. I would say I packed on 10-12lbs of solid lean gains and got shredded at the same time (7-8%bf). The way it changed the way I carried muscle also made a big difference to me as well. I looked a little disproportionately big in my shoulders and upper back (this could be due to genetic and training style, also was an NCAA swimmer so I have always had good development in those areas). The drug s4 also gave you a very dry and granite like "look". When i was running doses of 100mg It seemed impossible to put on water weight and bodyfat. Very good for aesthetics and looking like a sikkunt.
pros: sarms work well if you take enough of them along with a good program. They blew away dmz and the andros by far from my experience. Ive never done real aas so I can't compare sarms to that.
cons: sex drive was hit or miss on cycle, I had a few hookups on cycle and even though the ladies were very good looking I did take me a bit longer to get up (which was ass), had no problems staying up though. (this could also be due to the fact I was pretty drunk in almost all instances). gyno flareups here and there on cycle, took letro about 1 time per week to settle it down. Feelings of low test (mentally) towards the end of the cycle.
PCT: coming off I didn't experience a "crash" until about a week off cycle when the drugs cleared. Physically nothing was an issue. But mentally I felt super super depressed pretty much near suicidal all the time. (life was also contributing to this, but I know the sarms made it much worse). weeks 2-4 were also a little rough mentally. By week 5-6 I started to feel back to normal. My pct was 10mg of nolva ed for 3 weeks along with super pct. After I dropped those 2 things I ran daa for 2 weeks and inhibit e. By week 5 (suprisingly once the nolva cleared) My right nipple started to hurt bad. So I have been taking letro since, so far the pain is reduced greatly and the swelling is starting to go down. I will continue to hit the letro until the gyno is gone and taper off then hit nolva for 2 weeks followed by an otc anti e again. As far as my gains go, I haven't lost any strength, in fact I have made strength gains since being off. but what do I look like compared to on cycle? well I look similar, but there is a clear difference to my physique. Im currently maintaining around 10% bf as of right now. My muscle is all still there, but I look much different due to the drugs no longer being in my system. SO, do you keep sarm gains? yes and no, yes in the fact that you keep whatever muscle you gained. No in the fact you're not gonna look as good as you did when you were on drugs. There will be a difference in a negative way aka (you look natural again).
This is a long post. But these things are stronger then people think they are. Look at studies done by actual scientists. Lgd supresses you to a fair extent at 1mg for 21 days. I took way more crap then that. So obviously more shutdown. I guess I am making this not to listen to guys on isarms or evolutionary. Don't run osta in pct (this is retarded) and don't think these things come without sides.
finally. Can they cause gyno? (it depends on the person but most certainly yes) they aren't hormonal and don't convert to estrogen which is very true. However people overlook the fact that if you take enough of these things, your natural test will have no where to go due to your receptors being clogged with the sarms. This will cause conversion to estrogen, it may not be a big issue on cycle, but once off when you remove the sarms you have lowered levels of test with high estrogen. This imbalance creates a favorable environment for gyno once you get off until you re stabilize.
Basically, if anyone is thinking of running sarms here is my takeaway. 1) Don't take as much crap as I did. (stick with 1-2 compounds at moderate doses) 2) only run them for 8-10 weeks max 3) run a low dose AI on cycle like exem 12.5 e3d 4) come off with a serm for at least 4 weeks 5) take long breaks between runs
this was my experience. I got great gains but I pushed it and now I'm suffering a bit. the gyno is under control but these things def messed up more hormones more than what others have said. hope this helps a lot of others.