30mg for 28 days (4 weeks)
Not if they are smart they don't. Compounds with shorter halflives are typically and should be split up. It is also adviseable to take them with fats.
do you have a link to Dr. D's reasoning behind that?
nah, i don't have a link to it. it's on this site somewhere amongst the thousands of post that he has. i remember him saying it though, very clearly. i'll do a couple searches and see what happens.
was the type of test ever mentioned? did i miss something?
Beelz is right about this. It was an old M1T thread if I remember, but I'll try to explain it again now. This is the deal: 17a-alkylated compounds enhance creatine synthesis, but at the expense of protein synthesis. Non-alkylated compounds (like test and it's 17b-esters) only increase protein synthesis but don't boost creatine production. Basically, methylation of guanidinoacetate in the body results in creatine. Donors of the methyl group are choline and methionine. Guanidinoacetate arises from a reaction between glycine and arginine. The essential aminos methionine and arginine are needed for both normal protein synthesis and the formation of creatine. Therefore, 17a-alkyl compounds stimulate the formation of creatine at the expense of cell protein synthesis because the two precursor amino acids are not optimally available for both. That means that if you take extra creatine with you're orals, you can free up more aminos for protein synthesis and that's what you really want anyway. It also makes sense to use creatine with non-alkyl compounds too because they are only concerned with cell protein and neglect creatine synthesis. So it's basically a good idea to use creatine no matter what your on! Especially with oral only cycles to optimize the effects or with ester only cycles to add the extra dimension of creatine loading. If you're stacking a high dose oral with an ester, then creatine is probably not as important in that case. Does that make sense?
and ya'll expect me to explain that? all i get out of it is : take creatine with orals because Dr. D says so.Beelz is right about this. It was an old M1T thread if I remember, but I'll try to explain it again now. This is the deal: 17a-alkylated compounds enhance creatine synthesis, but at the expense of protein synthesis. Non-alkylated compounds (like test and it's 17b-esters) only increase protein synthesis but don't boost creatine production. Basically, methylation of guanidinoacetate in the body results in creatine. Donors of the methyl group are choline and methionine. Guanidinoacetate arises from a reaction between glycine and arginine. The essential aminos methionine and arginine are needed for both normal protein synthesis and the formation of creatine. Therefore, 17a-alkyl compounds stimulate the formation of creatine at the expense of cell protein synthesis because the two precursor amino acids are not optimally available for both. That means that if you take extra creatine with you're orals, you can free up more aminos for protein synthesis and that's what you really want anyway. It also makes sense to use creatine with non-alkyl compounds too because they are only concerned with cell protein and neglect creatine synthesis. So it's basically a good idea to use creatine no matter what your on! Especially with oral only cycles to optimize the effects or with ester only cycles to add the extra dimension of creatine loading. If you're stacking a high dose oral with an ester, then creatine is probably not as important in that case. Does that make sense?
Haha, it's really just an old nickname from back in the day. I use to love 'em for their great all purpose effectiveness as a kid.
haha same here!
Oh man, you gotta try dbol. It's one of my all time favs for sure! Well, I'm an old man now (just turned 35 yesterday) so I try to stick with the cleaner stuff that doesn't bloat the H outta me or get my prostate too far outta wack. I use to love dbol/test or A50/test cycles, but I'm just too old for that anymore. I like cleaner, non-aromatizable orals (like SD) stacked with the common esters but at lower doses. I'm so busy and my kids are always driving me so crazy, it's hard to stay in shape these days, but I still do a clean, low bloat cycle every now and again.
awesome.you still pin with kids around? haha. what would you advise a first timer dbol cycle with test eq? I was going to go with 30mgs is that a good spot?
thanks. Im gonna hit 500test 600eq (got 300mg/ml) probably 13-14 weeks. do you see a problem with a little more eq than test? i dont think there is. I heard of some people using dbol the last portion of a cycle too, is that reasonable?
Yeah, that's a good place to start. You can fine tune from there. A dbol kickstart and a dbol finish while you wait for the esters to clear.
Yea can you say marshmellow. LOL
Yeah, what he said! Scientifically speaking it's not super-great but it's good. It's like good but actually gooder that plain, regular good. More like goooody good good or something.
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