It's not a classic "prohormone" it's an island that doesn't bind to any of the hormone receptors with any strength. NO PCT
Basically I see 2 options on how to run it:It's not a classic "prohormone" it's an island that doesn't bind to any of the hormone receptors with any strength. NO PCT
Option 2 always. lol Still i am good on 150mg. Log it! Weight, pics, measurements.Basically I see 2 options on how to run it:
1: 4 bottles @ 150mgs for 80 days.
2: 5 bottles @ 200mgs for 75 days.
Which do you recommend?
Haha yeah I figured. I'll probably go with option 2. It's weird that no one else has this product. It looks like AMS is maybe discontinuing it and LG used to have it but no longer does.Option 2 always. lol Still i am good on 150mg. Log it! Weight, pics, measurements.
Sticking a syringe in my a$$ Sorry man, lost interest in PHs since going on TRT. I still may do some 1-Andro tho - what more do you need with the anecdotal plus university study on it? Like you, I looked up 6-Keto and didn't find much - you'd think it would be everywhere if it was that good? Progestin based like Deca and Tren - but LEGAL, so it ain't Deca or Tren like IMO, but who knows. You're a skeptic - let us know after you run it :thumbsup:Where is The_Old_Guy when I need him?
Haha thanks for chiming in. What also concerns me though is whether or not there are any sides and shutdown/suppression. According the OP here there is none and no need for PCT. That's pretty much the reason why I am considering running this.Sticking a syringe in my a$$ Sorry man, lost interest in PHs since going on TRT. I still may do some 1-Andro tho - what more do you need with the anecdotal plus university study on it? Like you, I looked up 6-Keto and didn't find much - you'd think it would be everywhere if it was that good? Progestin based like Deca and Tren - but LEGAL, so it ain't Deca or Tren like IMO, but who knows. You're a skeptic - let us know after you run it :thumbsup:
FTFYThat's how the supplement industry has worked for years. That's why it's best to not jump aboard anything unless the science is there to back it.
NO PCT. I stake my reputation on it! Of course boosting testosterone is always a good idea if you feel like you are low!It's not that I don't believe you OP, but I wanted to make 100% sure that PCT is not required and I don't have to worry about suppression and other sides (I take my healthy seriously), so I did reach out to AMS, but I still haven't heard back from them.
I feel fine testosterone wise. I'm going to probably order about 6 bottles of this stuff and run it at 200mgs for 90 days. I just freak out about the sides but I'm looking forward to trying it and reporting results to the community here.NO PCT. I stake my reputation on it! Of course boosting testosterone is always a good idea if you feel like you are low!
6-KP
No Androgenic
No Estrogenic
No Progestational
You doing blood work? The cheapo $35 test should be fine - pre and post. But the "Ketos" like 7 and 11 aren't that strong, so meh, probably fine.Well I have 6 bottles of this stuff coming in the mail so it should make for a lengthy high dose cycle. I am excited because there is so little info and reviews on this. I am also dispirited because there is so little info and reviews on this.
I wasn't planning on it. Eric claims no PCT is needed so I shouldn't need blood work, although maybe I should just in case. Supposedly it's not androgenic or estrogenic. That's one of the reasons I was interested in it. Just wish there were some reviews out there.You doing blood work? The cheapo $35 test should be fine - pre and post. But the "Ketos" like 7 and 11 aren't that strong, so meh, probably fine.
I received an infraction for my last post for trolling. Which albeit I was a little bit, so with this post I will post only facts.I wasn't planning on it. Eric claims no PCT is needed so I shouldn't need blood work, although maybe I should just in case. Supposedly it's not androgenic or estrogenic. That's one of the reasons I was interested in it. Just wish there were some reviews out there.
That's a little bit of a different tone compared to what you just told me before that you stake your reputation on it not needing PCT.Absolutely run bloodwork. I can't imagine that you'd experience shutdown and like I say I am not a doctor and I don't provide medical advice. I just look at the compound and the data behind it.
I don't care about tea. Tea is not going to make my balls shrivel up into M&Ms. Arguing about tea and vitamins is a lot different than arguing about PHs and steroids.Guys this is a forum and we are here to discuss and share ideas and challenge each other. Why is everyone so afraid to look at the conventional wisdom?
Black Tea lowers cortisol, I believe that I have a very high cortisol activity level do to many factors. It would make sense that tea could have this kind of an effect. Chronic water weight is weight.
Do people even use tamoxifen for PHs? Seems like most people stick with clomid now and only run tamoxifen alongside clomid for the harsher stuff. I do not plan on picking up any tamoxifen for this.Tamoxifen is estrogenic in some tissues. Tamoxifen dosed improperly can close growth plates. Tamoxifen lowers IGF-1 levels which when taken improperly can inhibit growth.
Tamoxifen is great for gynocomastia and I stick by that!
What supps do you take prior to a lifting session.Guys this is a forum and we are here to discuss and share ideas and challenge each other. Why is everyone so afraid to look at the conventional wisdom?
Black Tea lowers cortisol, I believe that I have a very high cortisol activity level do to many factors. It would make sense that tea could have this kind of an effect. Chronic water weight is weight.
Listen man I am ALL FOR THIS. I love learning new things especially when it comes to fitness, which is my true passion. BUT and I mean a HUGEEEE BUTGuys this is a forum and we are here to discuss and share ideas and challenge each other. Why is everyone so afraid to look at the conventional wisdom?
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if you're over 21 and a "noob", I don't see any issues running prohormones or testosterone enhancing products. I didn't click each link you provided from Eric but don't think he'd be off base if that's what he was claiming.Listen man I am ALL FOR THIS. I love learning new things especially when it comes to fitness, which is my true passion. BUT and I mean a HUGEEEE BUT
I can not get behind teens/children/young adults running hormonal compounds. At this point testosterone is SURGING through their bodies and the negatives of potentially altering the HPTA outweigh the benefits of running PH/AAS/DS/SARM/Whatever the **** will come out next.
yes there is some research relating to your comment about tamo. But I dont see how OTC products could better restart HPTA then pharma serm? ? ? and I think the sides from Tamo are not as bad as being on TRT for the rest of your life at the age of <25 due to not running a proper PCT after a cycle and causing permanent shutdown. Which I know you dont believe in, but for the most part is an accepted "thing" (for lack of better words) in the bb/fitness community.
I dont want you to think that I have anything against you, just the claims you make could really have an impact on someones life and that does bother me.
well I am going to correct myself... the article says OVER 21 and not UNDER... I thought it said under so my apologies on that.if you're over 21 and a "noob", I don't see any issues running prohormones or testosterone enhancing products. I didn't click each link you provided from Eric but don't think he'd be off base if that's what he was claiming.
I'm excited to try this new product out
new to working out, no. they can make plenty of "noob gains" right off the bat.well I am going to correct myself... the article says OVER 21 and not UNDER... I thought it said under so my apologies on that.
however then my point to this would be, noob implies two things
new to working out
new to hormonal products
both of these two types of people I would still not recommend hormonal products, would you?
lets think worst case scenario here. Even IF someone were to suggest a prohormone to someone who is new to lifting...is there any more danger for that person? no. The only "downside" is they'd miss out on their natural gains, and instead get some ridiculous beginner prohormone gains. They'd be "wasting" some of their natural gains without a doubt here, but it's no more dangerous than anyone else using a product which is what I'm pretty sure Eric was hinting at"Noob" gains are pretty awesome and people should ride them as long as they can. Then perhaps down the line when they plateau for a moderate amount of time can incorporate some products. IMO at least
i've never taken a hormonal product in relation to AAS/PH/DS. But I would not say I am new to them, if I were to ever go that route I would be well equipped and have everything on hand that I would need to have a successful run. In fact my buddy who has run some Tri-Bol DS, Tren, and pinned has no idea wtf he is going and has not run pct until his last cycle.new to working out, no. they can make plenty of "noob gains" right off the bat.
new to hormonal products...yes. You have to start somewhere right?
I completely agree regarding the safety aspect of them. I'm just saying I don't think it would be wise for someone to use PH out of the gate in terms of overall gains and progress. It would likely leave them in an inferior physical condition in terms of optimizing your physique. I wish I could get the noob gains back. But in terms of safety I believe we certainly agree! Always good to have these types of discussions though.lets think worst case scenario here. Even IF someone were to suggest a prohormone to someone who is new to lifting...is there any more danger for that person? no. The only "downside" is they'd miss out on their natural gains, and instead get some ridiculous beginner prohormone gains. They'd be "wasting" some of their natural gains without a doubt here, but it's no more dangerous than anyone else using a product which is what I'm pretty sure Eric was hinting at
Seems like the days of old PHs and DSs are behind us. I still remember some of the gains people made off of stuff like M1T - insane. With it came harsh sides though. From what I see, everything looks to be so much milder in terms of both gains and sides today.i've never taken a hormonal product in relation to AAS/PH/DS. But I would not say I am new to them, if I were to ever go that route I would be well equipped and have everything on hand that I would need to have a successful run. In fact my buddy who has run some Tri-Bol DS, Tren, and pinned has no idea wtf he is going and has not run pct until his last cycle.
So while he has done much more then me I would still consider him the "noob" to hormonal products.
I guess this is subjective in the sense of noob to the knowledge of running these compounds or noob as in never ran a cycle
M1T is basically rat poison that has a side effect of intense muscle growth hahaSeems like the days of old PHs and DSs are behind us. I still remember some of the gains people made off of stuff like M1T - insane. With it came harsh sides though. From what I see, everything looks to be so much milder in terms of both gains and sides today.
correct me if im wrong but in the states yes its hard-impossible to find these products. But a board sponsor of ours still has products like this (i think... maybe i am a noob LOL)Seems like the days of old PHs and DSs are behind us. I still remember some of the gains people made off of stuff like M1T - insane. With it came harsh sides though. From what I see, everything looks to be so much milder in terms of both gains and sides today.
Yes, you can get them shipped into the USA, however I imagine it is illegal to do so. Some of those methylated PHs were nasty. When frat boys are popping M1T before funneling a 6 pack of beer, you know it's not going to last over here.correct me if im wrong but in the states yes its hard-impossible to find these products. But a board sponsor of ours still has products like this (i think... maybe i am a noob LOL)
http://www.predatornutrition.com/hardcore/prohormones
pretty sure you can ship these to the states too.
Hi,I never said teens and children. I clearly said new people over 21. I don't understand how things get taken out of context like that.
I never said teens and children. I clearly said new people over 21. I don't understand how things get taken out of context like that.
Hi,well I am going to correct myself... the article says OVER 21 and not UNDER... I thought it said under so my apologies on that.
LOL I was just ****ing with you man.Hi,
I am human!
I will make mistakes and misread things, but as you can see I apologized for the mistake I made.
Thanks man. That means a lot to me. We are a family on here and whether we always agree or not we have a mission to educate and help others to make intelligent choices on meeting their goals. So many people suffer due to poor body image and I think we are doing the Lords work in what we do!Hi,
I am human!
I will make mistakes and misread things, but as you can see I apologized for the mistake I made.
We're doing the lord's work? Check out the ego on this guy.... ;-)Thanks man. That means a lot to me. We are a family on here and whether we always agree or not we have a mission to educate and help others to make intelligent choices on meeting their goals. So many people suffer due to poor body image and I think we are doing the Lords work in what we do!
Controversial opinion of the day: With proper supervision and monitoring, there is nothing wrong with people under 21 taking a mild hormonal cycle and in fact possible years long benefits to that mild use use.
Disclaimer: This isn't actually a recommendation for any <21 individual to go out and take steroids.
Oh boy... this thread is just about to blow up.Controversial opinion of the day: With proper supervision and monitoring, there is nothing wrong with people under 21 taking a mild hormonal cycle and in fact possible years long benefits to that mild use use.
Disclaimer: This isn't actually a recommendation for any <21 individual to go out and take steroids.
It's a complicated question. A dry prohormone should in theory have benefits but most people don't know the difference and thus it's best to err on the side of caution.Oh boy... this thread is just about to blow up.
I'll be honest, I have never heard such a thing before. However, most people on here probably know more about this stuff than I do. But when you take sides into consideration, whether it be hair loss, high blood pressure, nut shrinkage, etc. it's going to be a hard sale to say it has health benefits.It's a complicated question. A dry prohormone should in theory have benefits but most people don't know the difference and thus it's best to err on the side of caution.
Wet Hormones:
4-DHEA
5-DHEA
Dry Hormones:
6-KP
1-DHEA
EpiAndrosterone
Best to not touch the stuff as a default for people under 21. I've seen too many people taking the wrong thing to think otherwise.
there are ABSOLUTELY health benefits to anabolics. Some moreso than others, but don't forget...anabolic steroids are prescription medications.I'll be honest, I have never heard such a thing before. However, most people on here probably know more about this stuff than I do. But when you take sides into consideration, whether it be hair loss, high blood pressure, nut shrinkage, etc. it's going to be a hard sale to say it has health benefits.
you also wouldn't find a single endocrinologist out there saying people over 21 should be using anabolics either.If I were a betting man I'd say there isn't a single endocrinologist out there who would say it's fine for people under 21 to take prohormones and AAS. Could certainly be wrong though lol
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