PerforMax SlinMax

[jt75]

How would this stack with fd2?

 

[Slims]

How would this stack with fd2?

Considering how FD2 also has GDA/NP like properties it could possibly be overkill in the blood sugar department and cause hypoglycemia. However, this is totally individual dependant on how insulin sensitive you are and how carb heavy your diet is.

 

[paul56778]

How would this stack with fd2?

I have used FD 2 at 6 caps per day with upto 8-10 Defuse, 6 DCP and 8 EBF Recompadrol or 4 Slin Max or 3-4 caps of Slintensity with no problems, but everyone is different and handles the supplements in a different way so i would be wary of stacking

 

[bigsmall]

How would this stack with fd2?

I love 2 slinmax plus 1 fd before a carb meal - I dose this twice a day plus 2 preworkout. Serious synergy.

 

[john.patterson]

How would this stack with fd2?

I've personally never used the two together, but I would assess tolerance with one at a time before stacking them. I've read that some FD2 users have low blood sugar issues when using it at 2 caps, so I would see how each product works solo before stacking. I've never had any issues with Slinmax, but it really depends on your sensitivity to the ingredients in the product

 

[jt75]

I've personally never used the two together, but I would assess tolerance with one at a time before stacking them. I've read that some FD2 users have low blood sugar issues when using it at 2 caps, so I would see how each product works solo before stacking. I've never had any issues with Slinmax, but it really depends on your sensitivity to the ingredients in the product

I've never had the hypo feeling that some users get on fd2 so I'm not really that insulin sensitive, when I buy slinmax I'll try 1 at a time and assess from there

 

[xo0ox]

Is slinmax suppose to have a herbal like smell to it?
I got one bottle who got a herbal like smell to it and a new bottle that has virtual no smell to it at all.
Both bottle came seal with performax outer brand sealing and was seal on the inside as well.
White caps with a yellow very bitter tasting powder in both bottles.
The older bottle has more well filled caps than the newer one as well (more powder in the older one).

 

[jt75]

Is slinmax suppose to have a herbal like smell to it?
I got one bottle who got a herbal like smell to it and a new bottle that has virtual no smell to it at all.
Both bottle came seal with performax outer brand sealing and was seal on the inside as well.
White caps with a yellow very bitter tasting powder in both bottles.
The older bottle has more well filled caps than the newer one as well (more powder in the older one).

Never noticed to be honest mate, I'll smell them later but didn't open the caps to taste them

 

[xo0ox]

Never noticed to be honest mate, I'll smell them later but didn't open the caps to taste them

Please do.

The bitter taste is berberine HCL, taste VERY bitter and is VERY yellow.

 

[Adizzle1]

Please do.

The bitter taste is berberine HCL, taste VERY bitter and is VERY yellow.

Its just due to how old the bottle is IMO. The new bottle that doesnt smell, is brand new and almost straight from production so there is just generally less smell vs. a bottle that has been sitting around for months.

 

[jt75]

Its just due to how old the bottle is IMO. The new bottle that doesnt smell, is brand new and almost straight from production so there is just generally less smell vs. a bottle that has been sitting around for months.

I don't care how it smells or tastes I'm looking full as fcuk and quite lean 2 weeks in. Shovelling food down my neck because on slinmax I can afford to go large. But weighed myself today and I'm up 4lbs,obviously due to eating more but this isn't fat so does slinmax prevent fat gain or could this be attributed to muscle and/or increased glycogen storage?

 

[Adizzle1]

Yea your weight gain can be attributed to increase glycogen storage, which may over time lead to increased muscle mass. Banaba extract is included in this product as it to contain compounds that may reduce fat cell proliferation thereby allowing SlinMax to have a more direct effect on muscle tissue and reduce the risk of fat gain.

 

[jt75]

Yea your weight gain can be attributed to increase glycogen storage, which may over time lead to increased muscle mass. Banaba extract is included in this product as it to contain compounds that may reduce fat cell proliferation thereby allowing SlinMax to have a more direct effect on muscle tissue and reduce the risk of fat gain.

Excellent news! Think this can be a staple for me, I've already started to incorporate an extra 1g of agmatine with it on workout days for pumps and for the general health benefits that come with it.

 

[bigsmall]

Is slinmax suppose to have a herbal like smell to it?
I got one bottle who got a herbal like smell to it and a new bottle that has virtual no smell to it at all.
Both bottle came seal with performax outer brand sealing and was seal on the inside as well.
White caps with a yellow very bitter tasting powder in both bottles.
The older bottle has more well filled caps than the newer one as well (more powder in the older one).

I noticed the inconsistantly filled caps as well and also noticed the less in the cap - the less effective it was.

 

[AntM1564]

I don't care how it smells or tastes I'm looking full as fcuk and quite lean 2 weeks in. Shovelling food down my neck because on slinmax I can afford to go large. But weighed myself today and I'm up 4lbs,obviously due to eating more but this isn't fat so does slinmax prevent fat gain or could this be attributed to muscle and/or increased glycogen storage?

Also, some people will hold onto a little more water weight with more carbs in their diet. Some do not, this is completely user dependent. That could be a cause as well. But with the extra glycogen and water, your workouts should be better!

 

[xo0ox]

I noticed the inconsistantly filled caps as well and also noticed the less in the cap - the less effective it was.

I have not yet tried it but will do next week.
Will be taking two caps from the older jar and compare with the newer jar.
Thought that the filling different could be due to less filler being added, although the weight difference from 116caps on the older jar compared to the newer on is almost 18g (0,6oz) in favor to the older jar.

Maybe Performax used another company to make the newer bactch and they did not fill the up as much it was ment to (or the other company filled them more then needed?). Maybe something performax will need to do a checkup on?

Will be running Slinmax with mk-677 in order to minimize insulin resistant buildup from the MK-677.
Will in the beginning run a lower carb and slowly adding more and more at the same time adding more slinmax.
If the less filled caps = less effect due to less active ingredient i will begin with that jar when carb is lower and then transition to the other jar when more carbs i added and the need for more active is called for.

 

[bigsmall]

I have not yet tried it but will do next week.
Will be taking two caps from the older jar and compare with the newer jar.
Thought that the filling different could be due to less filler being added, although the weight difference from 116caps on the older jar compared to the newer on is almost 18g (0,6oz) in favor to the older jar.

Maybe Performax used another company to make the newer bactch and they did not fill the up as much it was ment to (or the other company filled them more then needed?). Maybe something performax will need to do a checkup on?

Will be running Slinmax with mk-677 in order to minimize insulin resistant buildup from the MK-677.
Will in the beginning run a lower carb and slowly adding more and more at the same time adding more slinmax.
If the less filled caps = less effect due to less active ingredient i will begin with that jar when carb is lower and then transition to the other jar when more carbs i added and the need for more active is called for.

Almost felt to me that the undercut caps were just Agmatine. Good luck on the MK run!

 

[xo0ox]

Almost felt to me that the undercut caps were just Agmatine. Good luck on the MK run!

That would be a bummer.
The powder is yellow though with very bitter taste indication berberine but the amount of ingredient or the ratio of these if for us impossible to tell other than pure feel. The weight different of the product could indicate less active ingredient, less filler or both.
But sure the weight difference buggs me not knowing what it may be and since one jar has a bit of a herbal smell and the newer on does not, got a explanation that the mixture can come to smell over time and the newer on is so new that it does not smell?
But with the weight difference combined with lack of smell you may think that and ingredient/ingredients were left out?
Maybe moisture could be a part as in the older jar the powder is ore compact/"wetter" than in the newer jar that is a lot drier.
Will test them out and compare with a bloodglukose meter next week and we will see.

 

[Adizzle1]

More moisture can lead to them being heavier and smelling more vs newer material that is more dry and could be lighter. I'm nearly 100% positive both units are fine, just one is brand new vs an older unit. Ill check the lot #s you send and have the work orders pulled.

 

[xo0ox]

More moisture can lead to them being heavier and smelling more vs newer material that is more dry and could be lighter. I'm nearly 100% positive both units are fine, just one is brand new vs an older unit. Ill check the lot #s you send and have the work orders pulled.

Thank you for your time and effort Adizzle.

 

[xo0ox]

More moisture can lead to them being heavier and smelling more vs newer material that is more dry and could be lighter. I'm nearly 100% positive both units are fine, just one is brand new vs an older unit. Ill check the lot #s you send and have the work orders pulled.

Anything new on the work orders?

 

[Adizzle1]

Anything new on the work orders?

Its all exactly spot on. The differences in weight and smell are due to Na-R-ALA being hygroscopic and pulling water, similar to how HydroMax glycerol pulls water, fluffs/clumps up and changes consistency and even taste of the materials. The older caps smell and may even seem heavier because they have pulled excess water. The lighter or fresher ones were manufactured in August(this month), so the material is dry and smell free since it has not had time to pull any moisture!

 

[xo0ox]

Its all exactly spot on. The differences in weight and smell are due to Na-R-ALA being hygroscopic and pulling water, similar to how HydroMax glycerol pulls water, fluffs/clumps up and changes consistency and even taste of the materials. The older caps smell and may even seem heavier because they have pulled excess water. The lighter or fresher ones were manufactured in August(this month), so the material is dry and smell free since it has not had time to pull any moisture!

I was under the expression that na-r-ala is no hygroscopic i nature ?

From Geronova

"After extensive R & D, GeroNova developed a 80% Na RALA bulk powder. Na RALA is a stable, non-hygroscopic, non-polymeric salt form of R-Lipoic Acid, now produced on an industrial scale. The material is non-hygroscopic and does not require any special handling or refrigeration. The shelf life is at least 3 years, and is used in the manufacture of our Bio-Enhanced® R-Lipoic acid capsules."

 

[Adizzle1]

I believe that might be a bit of marketing as my experience with Na-R-ALA is that it is quite sensitive, most raw material manufactures wont even manufacture it during the summer so through the summer months sourcing Na-R-ALA gets more difficult.

Also Agmatine is highly hygroscopic so it very well could be Agmatine more then anything.

 

[Adizzle1]

With bigsmall history and our back and forth on Slinmax the day before he posted that, its very suspect. Slinmax is very effective with BG testibg proven its effectiness plus all the amazing feedback. No corners were cut in the manufacturing process for Slinmax or any performax product.

 

[bigsmall]

With bigsmall history and our back and forth on Slinmax the day before he posted that, its very suspect. Slinmax is very effective with BG testibg proven its effectiness plus all the amazing feedback. No corners were cut in the manufacturing process for Slinmax or any performax product.

Is that why multiple people are reporting Slinmax caps being be inconsistently filled and that I did not start the thread on the manner?

 

[Adizzle1]

Is that why multiple people are reporting Slinmax caps being be inconsistently filled and that I did not start the thread on the manner?

This thread was started asking if SlinMax is still the King of GDAs.

1 person posted in here that he believed he had 1 full unit that weighed more then another unit he had. So there has been 1 person, not multiple. We have taken all necessary steps to address his issue and have been handling it with him via PM.

We don't know that there is a noticeable lack of solid powder in each capsule, we do know 1 user believe 1 units weighs more then another unit, 1 unit being manufactured 6 months ago, 1 unit being manufactured last month. We do take QC very seriously and acquired LOT #s and pulled work orders for both LOTs and everything checked out. When your manufacturing 200k-300k capsules at a time, is there a possibility some capsules are not 100% spot on, sure, it can come down to the weight of material in the hopper, the speed the machine is running at etc but point is its not some manufacturing error or systemic error across the board. With manufacturing there is checks and balances with multiple technicians checking eachothers work and QC managers checking their work, we pulled the documents and everything was spot on. If someone wants to return there bottle we would be more then happy to offer a refund!

SlinMax was launched in October 2015, it has been on the market for close to 2 years now with zero reports of any issues, only that even after 2 years its still one of the best GDAs on the market with blood glucose readings proving its effectiveness, I sincerely hope you don't have any less confidence in the product due to 1 users over 2 years believing 1 unit weighed more then another.

 

[bigsmall]

This thread was started asking if SlinMax is still the King of GDAs.

1 person posted in here that he believed he had 1 full unit that weighed more then another unit he had. So there has been 1 person, not multiple. We have taken all necessary steps to address his issue and have been handling it with him via PM.



We don't know that there is a noticeable lack of solid powder in each capsule, we do know 1 user believe 1 units weighs more then another unit, 1 unit being manufactured 6 months ago, 1 unit being manufactured last month. We do take QC very seriously and acquired LOT #s and pulled work orders for both LOTs and everything checked out. When your manufacturing 200k-300k capsules at a time, is there a possibility some capsules are not 100% spot on, sure, it can come down to the weight of material in the hopper, the speed the machine is running at etc but point is its not some manufacturing error or systemic error across the board. With manufacturing there is checks and balances with multiple technicians checking eachothers work and QC managers checking their work, we pulled the documents and everything was spot on. If someone wants to return there bottle we would be more then happy to offer a refund!

SlinMax was launched in October 2015, it has been on the market for close to 2 years now with zero reports of any issues, only that even after 2 years its still one of the best GDAs on the market with blood glucose readings proving its effectiveness, I sincerely hope you don't have any less confidence in the product due to 1 users over 2 years believing 1 unit weighed more then another.

One batch I got seemed like it was just agmatine. I mean I have bulk agmatine on hand and compared the effect. That was the last batch I ordered. Nothing pisses customers off more than inconsistency. It was very different from the previous batch's I ordered.

 

[xo0ox]

I will just add in that i have tried 2 caps from the older jar and about 15 min later i really felt i needed food to pick upp my blood sugar.
I tried on 1 caps from the newer jar and did not have as strong of a blood sugar drop feeling but i was only one cap and at a different time so this means nothing.
BOTH jars contains caps with a strong yellow powder with a VERY bitter taste, how much active it is compared to each other i cant tell from obvious reasons but they seems they same aside from the older jar has higher filled caps with a "wetter" powder and the newer one about 2/3 of the fill weight compared to the older one with drier powder. The newer jars caps are consistently filled (about the same amount in every cap) but like said before not filled to the top as with the older jar.

Me and Addizle have hade contact through PM and we are working get this issue resolved in the best manner possible.

 

[Adizzle1]

I will just add in that i have tried 2 caps from the older jar and about 15 min later i really felt i needed food to pick upp my blood sugar.
I tried on 1 caps from the newer jar and did not have as strong of a blood sugar drop feeling but i was only one cap and at a different time so this means nothing.
BOTH jars contains caps with a strong yellow powder with a VERY bitter taste, how much active it is compared to each other i cant tell from obvious reasons but they seems they same aside from the older jar has higher filled caps with a "wetter" powder and the newer one about 2/3 of the fill weight compared to the older one with drier powder. The newer jars caps are consistently filled (about the same amount in every cap) but like said before not filled to the top as with the older jar.

Me and Addizle have hade contact through PM and we are working get this issue resolved in the best manner possible.

This confirms the previous explanation, the 'wetter' material has pulled moisture, expand ed to fill up the capsules more. The drier, fresher material has not pulled any water and has not expanded in the capsule. Its a pretty simple explanation to this issue.

 

[Wildcat528]

This confirms the previous explanation, the 'wetter' material has pulled moisture, expand ed to fill up the capsules more. The drier, fresher material has not pulled any water and has not expanded in the capsule. Its a pretty simple explanation to this issue.

Also, if you think your product is drastically increasing in size due to binding water at ambient conditions in a sealed container then you should perhaps look into your dessicant selection and take a gander at some synthetic zeolite (molecular sieve)

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Also, if you think your product is drastically increasing in size due to binding water at ambient conditions in a sealed container then you should perhaps look into your dessicant selection and take a gander at some synthetic zeolite (molecular sieve)

This hurt my brain.

 

[Adizzle1]

Also, if you think your product is drastically increasing in size due to binding water at ambient conditions in a sealed container then you should perhaps look into your dessicant selection and take a gander at some synthetic zeolite (molecular sieve)

We might look into the dessicant used or using more then 1, however as stated this is the first report of this issue in 2 years and its from an international customer. It would seem the storing of the product internationally may be the main issue here. Again, we are looking into all avenues.

 

[Wildcat528]

Sounds good man, the hygroscopic nature of so many products can be tricky. Which is why I store all my products enclosed with industrial grade dessicant protected from light in cool conditions. I had a bottle of bloodshr3d raw and after a few days in humid conditions it legit turned into a rock solid baseball and changed shades drastically. Lesson learned for me on that one lol.

 

[xo0ox]

Sounds good man, the hygroscopic nature of so many products can be tricky. Which is why I store all my products enclosed with industrial grade dessicant protected from light in cool conditions. I had a bottle of bloodshr3d raw and after a few days in humid conditions it legit turned into a rock solid baseball and changed shades drastically. Lesson learned for me on that one lol.

Same here with bloodshr3d. And then i got 2 dessicant in there.

 

[paul56778]

Same here with bloodshr3d. And then i got 2 dessicant in there.

I find that this also changes the weight per scoop when clumped so i have to always rely on digital precise scales for measurements.

 

[xo0ox]

I find that this also changes the weight per scoop when clumped so i have to always rely on digital precise scales for measurements.

Same here. Always use as scale on my powdered supplements.

 

[Wildcat528]

Same here. Always use as scale on my powdered supplements.

Same here, unfortunately without having a Karl Fischer titration instrument at home it makes it difficult to determine how much active ingredients we're getting vs residual moisture content.

 

[BCseacow83]

Two different manufacturers, likely two different levels of filler after actives were compounded. That's my guess.