They can come from anywhere. The idea is NOT to bad mouth board sponsors or anyone else.Important question:
Did the SARMs in question come from an approved AM sponsor?
They can come from anywhere. The idea is NOT to bad mouth board sponsors or anyone else.Important question:
Did the SARMs in question come from an approved AM sponsor?
I seem to recall that in one of the very few studies/experiments done with the compound, it was altered to remove the supposed myostatin-inhibiting effects, and it no longer produced muscle growth.But really if YK11 really is a myostatin inhibitor then that is pretty incredible
Knew I made the mistake when I posted. Was hoping no one would noticeMy experience is that they provide mild gains alongside mild sides, and that they are noticeably suppressive, though not quite to the degree of most traditional AAS.
The severe lack of any real long-term research on SARMs is definitely a risk factor, but I am of the opinion that it's fairly likely they are a bit "safer" than real steroids (not that steroids are really *that* unsafe, or that SARMs are 100% safe/side-free).
As an aside: YK-11 is a steroid, not a SARM.
I am only hitting 50 next month, but also have been really happy with the results from SARMs. Then again most of the human studies for them that I have seen use older participants, so maybe that is why they seem to work better for us "older" crowd?Don't know if it's because of my age (64) but Sarms have worked well for me, currently running the Triple stack w\LGD 4033. Freaking Cardarine has me feeling like a youngster, so far loving it.
Whatever it is, It's been great so far. I have also experienced some unexpected very welcome health benefitsI am only hitting 50 next month, but also have been really happy with the results from SARMs. Then again most of the human studies for them that I have seen use older participants, so maybe that is why they seem to work better for us "older" crowd?
Very intrigued by this stuff. Tag me when you put it up?About to run a cycle of LGD 3303, not 4033. May try and log it since there is such little info out there.
Tag me too.About to run a cycle of LGD 3303, not 4033. May try and log it since there is such little info out there.
From everything I've read, anything under 50mg of S4 (andarine) is pointless. 75-100mg is ideal but also the dosage that eventually elicits the well known side effects, although they seem to be temporary in every person who experiences them.I'm in a deficit now taking EC, Ash & F95 and 4 weeks ago I added in Cardarine. I'd say from a cardiovascular enhancement it's noticeable to some degree but nothing crazy. Today I started running Andarine. I plan to run it at 30mg/day for 10 days and then bump to 50mg/daily and go 8-10 weeks depending on results & sides. Hoping to not go over the 50mg/day but we'll see how I respond to it. Hoping for hardness and maintaining size & strength...I have a hard time holding onto mass during a cut...we'll see how this goes...
Yeah I've read the same. I want to taper the dosage up and see how I'm feeling at 50mg. I may get to 50 faster than 10 days but we'll see. 8-10 weeks at 75-100 mg is going to get expensive and depending on what the sides are like for me may not be worth it...we'll see...thanks for the input!From everything I've read, anything under 50mg of S4 (andarine) is pointless. 75-100mg is ideal but also the dosage that eventually elicits the well known side effects, although they seem to be temporary in every person who experiences them.
Isn't S4 at higher doses also mildly suppressive?Yeah I've read the same. I want to taper the dosage up and see how I'm feeling at 50mg. I may get to 50 faster than 10 days but we'll see. 8-10 weeks at 75-100 mg is going to get expensive and depending on what the sides are like for me may not be worth it...we'll see...thanks for the input!
Yes sir. All SARMs are by natureIsn't S4 at higher doses also mildly suppressive?
All SARMs are suppressive at the low, baseline dosages people use for muscle building. I've seen logs in which Ostarine, largely considered the least suppressive of them all, has completely shut people down at I believe 20 mgs.Isn't S4 at higher doses also mildly suppressive?
DMZ is hard to find now, real DMZ that is. Plus it's a little harsh because of it being methylated.i did a run with it and other than the sides I really liked the resultsI'd rather just run some DMZ and Msten honestly and BPC for the healing. Maybe MK but that's all, wouldn't touch anything else
I love the EA guys. They're great.I seem to recall that in one of the very few studies/experiments done with the compound, it was altered to remove the supposed myostatin-inhibiting effects, and it no longer produced muscle growth.
Not that I could source that for you. I think it might've been the EA guys talking about it.
Heard it's good stuffAbout to run a cycle of LGD 3303, not 4033. May try and log it since there is such little info out there.
How'd you see liver stress from your piss? I feel like that's more kidneys and hydrationDon't forget s23!
My only experience with sarms is a RAD/LGD stack that I did for a month at 10mg each a day. Saw some impressive results, I'd compare to medium dosed msten. Whoever said they're not liver toxic is wrong though, definitely saw some liver stress whenever I pee'd
Edited, you're right!How'd you see liver stress from your piss? I feel like that's more kidneys and hydration
Just bought a bottle of that stuff. Not sure when I'll run it.Don't forget s23!
Don't forget s23!
My only experience with sarms is a RAD/LGD stack that I did for a month at 10mg each a day. Saw some impressive results, I'd compare to medium dosed msten. Whoever said they're not liver toxic is wrong though, definitely saw some liver/kidney stress whenever I pee'd
How'd you see liver stress from your piss? I feel like that's more kidneys and hydration
I am wrapping up a 12 week run of LGD/MK this weekend and have a blood draw scheduled for early next week. So I will be able to compare pre/post blood test results by the end of next week.Edited, you're right!
Tell her to get bloods for sure. Stuff reverses your cholesterol as bad or worse than winny! Tell her to pls be careful bro. Bloods bloods bloods!They are okay but I'd rather just pin tren. My wife thinks rad is the greatest thing ever made though.
Can still find. Just gotta look around and if you can't find stateside, don't be afraid to order from UK or Poland etc. Electronic port (or other adjective- *hint)DMZ is hard to find now, real DMZ that is. Plus it's a little harsh because of it being methylated.i did a run with it and other than the sides I really liked the results
PLEEEEAAASSE post brother (in this thread would he perfect, or start your own to encourage others to join in!) This is Exactly what's this forum needs! Good man.I am wrapping up a 12 week run of LGD/MK this weekend and have a blood draw scheduled for early next week. So I will be able to compare pre/post blood test results by the end of next week.
To start off I am on doctor administered/monitored TRT (currently using pellets, switching to shots at the end of this run of pellets, in 1 ~ 2 months). So I can't comment on suppression or suppression caused lethargy.PLEEEEAAASSE post brother (in this thread would he perfect, or start your own to encourage others to join in!) This is Exactly what's this forum needs! Good man.
To start off I am on doctor administered/monitored TRT (currently using pellets, switching to shots at the end of this run of pellets, in 1 ~ 2 months). So I can't comment on suppression or suppression caused lethargy.
I have some GW (10mg), Osta (3mg) and Rad (8mg) on the way, to test/run over the next couple of months. All of those will include pre/intra/post bloods. I chose 3mg for the Osta as that is the dosage used in the clinical trials, and even at that dosage some liver toxicity was noted by the researchers. At the higher (bodybuilding) doses there are many anecdotal reports of liver toxicity, backed by blood work, not "feelz". I also went for the lowest "effective" dose of both GW and Rad, and can increase as needed, depending on what the mid-run labs say about the lower dosage impact on my health markers.
Here are the numbers from the start of my LGD/MK run.
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Perfect, ty for that edit. I would run the osta first, GW second, rad third as rad has shown very bad cholesterol issues in some. 3mg osta should actually be decent and feel like your test was almost doubled I would guess. GW will basically just increase endurance and maybe* help you shed a few lbs (person to person varies a lot). Rad- haven't touched personally but I'd guess will increase strength a bit more than osta and feel like a low* dose winny/var tab preworkout, with the medium to hi dose winny cholesterol changes. The rad is only of concern to me, but your dosage is so conservative (exactly like I would do) that you should be able t stop and reverse any sides you do encounter.EDIT: the above SARMs I have on the way will be run separately, or at least in such a fashion as to be able to differentiate the cause, positive or negative, of any health marker changes.
those labs were before I started LGD, but about a week after I started MK (at the time I wasn't worried too much about changes from MK). My creatinine levels have always been on the high side. I suspect due to the high protein intake (lots of shakes and bars to supplement my normal meals). Those labs are actually the lowest they have been in almost a year. But that is not the best marker for kidney health, which is why I also track my eGFR across blood tests. But those values have also dropped a little over the last year, although not enough to dip into the danger range, but enough to make me wonder if it is diet/supplements are just age related progression (deterioration). I try to drink more water. When I was younger I actually drank so much that I got sick from it and my doctor told me to back off my intake a little.Perfect, ty for that edit. I would run the osta first, GW second, rad third as rad has shown very bad cholesterol issues in some. 3mg osta should actually be decent and feel like your test was almost doubled I would guess. GW will basically just increase endurance and maybe* help you shed a few lbs (person to person varies a lot). Rad- haven't touched personally but I'd guess will increase strength a bit more than osta and feel like a low* dose winny/var tab preworkout, with the medium to hi dose winny cholesterol changes. The rad is only of concern to me, but your dosage is so conservative (exactly like I would do) that you should be able t stop and reverse any sides you do encounter.
Curious if the GW will cause any negative sides, and if so, which ones/ will bloods actually catch them.
Also very curious if your creatine levels are high in your bloods bc of mk or bc you take some..? I feel like it does increase creatine levels personally (cortisol too :-( )
Good luck!
I had the same thought/concern with the upcoming change from pellets to injections. At this time I do not undertake any blood donations to keep those numbers down. I have been on TRT for coming up on 9+ months now. My test stays in the mid-600's during the bulk of the pellet run, so not on the high end, but enough that I can definitely feel a quality of life difference. My hcrit was lower before starting, ringing in at between 41 and 43. So not a huge rise, but at least 10% if we are going to look at it that way. That is another marker I will be closely watching with this next blood draw.^good looking hcrit for trt. Be interesting to see if the switch to inj will change it much.
I read somewhere that NAC can be run all of the time w/o issue, but that tudca can actually be counter productive to run when it is not "needed" (IE: needed due to extra stress on the liver, like heavy drinking, pain medications or other supplements, like the ones we tend to favor ).NAC/ glutathione is great stuff. So is tudca. Turmeric can't hurt and is good for inflamation as well. And many others. (I pair bromelain with my turmeric 95% curcuminoids w bioperine for inflamation. Works pretty well. I hear you're aging do I figure I'd help another "old head" out in case you didn't already know, lol) take care brother, and thanks again. I'll be watching for updates! Do osta first w labs so I can run a batch and feel better about it! Lol! (On trt also)
Yeah please log it bro and tag me in, I have a bottle of it that I'm itching to useAbout to run a cycle of LGD 3303, not 4033. May try and log it since there is such little info out there.
Curious to how this goes as well. I am thinking about ordering some of the 3303 as well.About to run a cycle of LGD 3303, not 4033. May try and log it since there is such little info out there.
Looking forward to seeing the post blood results.To start off I am on doctor administered/monitored TRT (currently using pellets, switching to shots at the end of this run of pellets, in 1 ~ 2 months). So I can't comment on suppression or suppression caused lethargy.
I have some GW (10mg), Osta (3mg) and Rad (8mg) on the way, to test/run over the next couple of months. All of those will include pre/intra/post bloods. I chose 3mg for the Osta as that is the dosage used in the clinical trials, and even at that dosage some liver toxicity was noted by the researchers. At the higher (bodybuilding) doses there are many anecdotal reports of liver toxicity, backed by blood work, not "feelz". I also went for the lowest "effective" dose of both GW and Rad, and can increase as needed, depending on what the mid-run labs say about the lower dosage impact on my health markers.
Here are the numbers from the start of my LGD/MK run.
View attachment 150363
You sure about that?And anyone who says they get estro sides from osta aren't using true ostarine. Or any sarm for that matter. Not how they function.
A significant reduction in SHBG could absolutely cause estrogen sides.However, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG) was significantly (P = 0.048) reduced with GTx-024 3 mg versus placebo, −15.8 ± 7.9 nmol/L.
Nice! Which study was that? What sarm? Dosage?You sure about that?
A significant reduction in SHBG could absolutely cause estrogen sides.
That GTx- whatever was osta wasn't it?You sure about that?
A significant reduction in SHBG could absolutely cause estrogen sides.
SometimesNice! Which study was that? What sarm? Dosage?
And I've had shbg impacted by orals and no estro sides, but that's me. So I guess I'm saying that if you think you're going to grow man boobs (true/ severe gyno) on sarms would be a one in a million case and could most likely be rectified if treated at first signs.
But I would think/ confidently say that >95% will probably not encounter them, and if so, at a VERY low rate. Maybe some puffy nips at worst with a high dose, multi sarm cycle. And most likely lgd 4033 impo.
Lots of things lower shbg, and according to many articles High* shbg will cause things like gyno, then again you'll read all over the male trt sites that low shbg can do the same and is a precursor to many horrible ailments. (Which I do believe if you're not taking things to lower it)
So, in conclusion, watch your nips. If your shirt feels like sandpaper then get some clomid/Nolvadex/anastrozole/exemestane (my fav but run LOW low doses and not ed). My take.
Any feedback?
(This is what I love about this place, intelligent discussion!)
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