Superdrol is BACK - What does the new formula look like? BRAND NEW PROHORMONE

[RatnikK]

In that case there are a few options...

Our superdrol at 2 caps per day should treat you well.

You could also go with our 1-testosterone at 330mg per day for 6 weeks and optional our androdiol product at 225/300mg per day

If this is your first cycle either will treat you great.

The key thing is you need to make sure you have product on hand to recover you. I recommend a Pharma serm. If you can't get that, consider your options between research grade serm or blood work supported otc pct.

The pct is absolutely crucial and really almost more important than the cycle. Make sure you have this on hand before you even consider starting the cycle.

You should also consider having an ai such as aromasin

how is the mood while on cycle and after?

 

[RatnikK]

what's a Pharma serm anyways

 

[criticalbench]

what's a Pharma serm anyways

Prescription grade as if you got it from a pharmacy. Most people use international pharmacies.

 

[smith_69]

TexasLifter89 gave some good advice and def about the pct as well

let us know how you are making out

 

[VaughnTrue]

Any follow up on this? I am curious/cautious about any product that (negatively) affects TRT outcomes. Thanks.

yea this is really, really weird...isn't making any sense to me currently. If you're on TrT, that means you're giving your body an exogenous source of testosterone. So no matter how bad any oral shut you down, that testosterone would still be present in your blood.

 

[smith_69]

what's a Pharma serm anyways

here is another thing to consider- regardless of which company you buy from (regarding a PH) odds are, you are going to lose 40-60% of your gains. Its your first run, so everything is going to be new. Although on paper if you do x,y and z you should get these results. On paper is great in a controlled environment and to an experienced user. So gaining 10-12 lbs sounds great, but losing more than 1/2 of it is and sounds worse.
Have you planned out 8 weeks of a routine? 8 Weeks of your cal, pro, carb, fat intake? Do you have plan b in place in case work interferes with your routine, or you have to switch gyms or gym time?

more to this than worrying about pct - if you don't a plan in place and a plan that you deviate from when needed, this cycle is useless

If you start off with the basics - multi, creatine and a good protein or even start off with a nat stack and gain 3-5 lbs, your body wont be rebounding back and your strength and gains will be kept- 70-80%.

then run your PH stack as you will be stronger and better suited to handle the new cycle.

just a thought but in the end, its your choice-

 

[TexasLifter89]

here is another thing to consider- regardless of which company you buy from (regarding a PH) odds are, you are going to lose 40-60% of your gains. Its your first run, so everything is going to be new. Although on paper if you do x,y and z you should get these results. On paper is great in a controlled environment and to an experienced user. So gaining 10-12 lbs sounds great, but losing more than 1/2 of it is and sounds worse.
Have you planned out 8 weeks of a routine? 8 Weeks of your cal, pro, carb, fat intake? Do you have plan b in place in case work interferes with your routine, or you have to switch gyms or gym time?

more to this than worrying about pct - if you don't a plan in place and a plan that you deviate from when needed, this cycle is useless

If you start off with the basics - multi, creatine and a good protein or even start off with a nat stack and gain 3-5 lbs, your body wont be rebounding back and your strength and gains will be kept- 70-80%.

then run your PH stack as you will be stronger and better suited to handle the new cycle.

just a thought but in the end, its your choice-

++ Yes very good words here. It's all about being methodical in your approach.

 

[RatnikK]

here is another thing to consider- regardless of which company you buy from (regarding a PH) odds are, you are going to lose 40-60% of your gains. Its your first run, so everything is going to be new. Although on paper if you do x,y and z you should get these results. On paper is great in a controlled environment and to an experienced user. So gaining 10-12 lbs sounds great, but losing more than 1/2 of it is and sounds worse.
Have you planned out 8 weeks of a routine? 8 Weeks of your cal, pro, carb, fat intake? Do you have plan b in place in case work interferes with your routine, or you have to switch gyms or gym time?

more to this than worrying about pct - if you don't a plan in place and a plan that you deviate from when needed, this cycle is useless

If you start off with the basics - multi, creatine and a good protein or even start off with a nat stack and gain 3-5 lbs, your body wont be rebounding back and your strength and gains will be kept- 70-80%.

then run your PH stack as you will be stronger and better suited to handle the new cycle.

just a thought but in the end, its your choice-

OK how should my natural stack look like?

 

[Whacked]

2 full weeks at 3 tablets spread out through the day and ZERO discernible effects. I OBVIOUSLY don't expect this to be in full force yet but I don't notice ANYTHING different at all and for an oral, that's not a good sign.

 

[Dma378]

2 full weeks at 3 tablets spread out through the day and ZERO discernible effects. I OBVIOUSLY don't expect this to be in full force yet but I don't notice ANYTHING different at all and for an oral, that's not a good sign.

Seems like the loggers noticed effects in the 1st week.

 

[Whacked]

Not this cat

 

[TexasLifter89]

How many calories are you at currently vs typical?

2 full weeks at 3 tablets spread out through the day and ZERO discernible effects. I OBVIOUSLY don't expect this to be in full force yet but I don't notice ANYTHING different at all and for an oral, that's not a good sign.

 

[Whacked]

I didn't change a thing in an effort to gauge this stuff fairly

 

[TexasLifter89]

I didn't change a thing in an effort to gauge this stuff fairly

That's valid, but Is your current in a surplus? What's your carb intake?

Need to know what your goal is. what your diet is. The standard things when anyone goes into a cycle (I don't want to make false assumptions). You can't just come into a thread and say it does nothing if you're at a huge deficit for example.

 

[Brick Tannen]

yea this is really, really weird...isn't making any sense to me currently. If you're on TrT, that means you're giving your body an exogenous source of testosterone. So no matter how bad any oral shut you down, that testosterone would still be present in your blood.

TRT is based on whatever dose gets u into the normal range. I like to be around 900-1000 total, and 200 free. (If ur gonna supplement with exogenous hormones, I want to be on the high end of the scale). Going into a super r, 1, and 4 cycle I was 880 total, and 187 free. I got bloods almost a week after ending this cycle (date was prescribed. I get 4 panels a year for TRT). Post cycle my free was 27! Total was 223. I also felt like a lethargic mess. Just because your on TRT doesn't mean the numbers aren't gonna change. Your still shutting down your new "chemically enhanced normal". TRT is based off supplementing what ur body won't. Let's say your body is 25% natural, and 75% TRT. If u supplement with exogenous hormones long enough, u will shut down that 25% of what the body was doing. Hope this helps!

 

[pogue]

Going into a super r, 1, and 4 cycle

What is Super R, 1 and 4?

 

[RatnikK]

duck if it weren't for the permanent shutdown side effects that can happen, I would order a bottle right now and run it but fuk no point in being jacked and not being able to use your penis.

 

[criticalbench]

I didn't change a thing in an effort to gauge this stuff fairly

I'd highly suggest increasing carbs; it works well with carbs similar to the OG superdrol, dymethazine, etc.

 

[TexasLifter89]

duck if it weren't for the permanent shutdown side effects that can happen, I would order a bottle right now and run it but fuk no point in being jacked and not being able to use your penis.

Where did you read of permanent shut down? It's just like any other ph or aas... Ned to pct

 

[smith_69]

I'd highly suggest increasing carbs; it works well with carbs similar to the OG superdrol, dymethazine, etc.

as long as this does have the same effect on blood sugar and then watch for lethargy. lethargy, oh how I hate thee

 

[VaughnTrue]

TRT is based on whatever dose gets u into the normal range. I like to be around 900-1000 total, and 200 free. (If ur gonna supplement with exogenous hormones, I want to be on the high end of the scale). Going into a super r, 1, and 4 cycle I was 880 total, and 187 free. I got bloods almost a week after ending this cycle (date was prescribed. I get 4 panels a year for TRT). Post cycle my free was 27! Total was 223. I also felt like a lethargic mess. Just because your on TRT doesn't mean the numbers aren't gonna change. Your still shutting down your new "chemically enhanced normal". TRT is based off supplementing what ur body won't. Let's say your body is 25% natural, and 75% TRT. If u supplement with exogenous hormones long enough, u will shut down that 25% of what the body was doing. Hope this helps!

the problem with this theory is that if you're on TRT for any legit period of time, you're not at 25% natty production, you're at 0%.

 

[Smont]

the problem with this theory is that if you're on TRT for any legit period of time, you're not at 25% natty production, you're at 0%.

Just adding to this a lil. I've seen a few ppl report 1 andro screwing with there trt numbers and killing libido on 200mg test a week. Everything seems to go back to normal after 1 andro is finished. I agree with you 100% that it doesn't make any sense CU's your injecting synthetic test and producing very little if any natural test. It shouldn't be physically possible for that to happen but this isint the first person to say it happened. Very confusing topic.

 

[Bunshichi]

It could however be a directer action of 1-DHEA or one of its metabolites not dependend on suppression.

 

[pogue]

It could however be a directer action of 1-DHEA or one of its metabolites not dependend on suppression.

1-DHEA does have a ton of metabolites that we know of. 4DHEA, we have no idea what the metabolites are, but it could be some very strange estrogens and etc. Some of the ones listed in the graphic below I have no idea what they even are, nor could any chemist I talked to tell me. AND? No idea. HO-Dione 1/2? Also no idea.

Source: https://blog.priceplow.com/prohormones/1-andro

 

[rtmilburn]

1-DHEA does have a ton of metabolites that we know of. 4DHEA, we have no idea what the metabolites are, but it could be some very strange estrogens and etc. Some of the ones listed in the graphic below I have no idea what they even are, nor could any chemist I talked to tell me. AND? No idea. HO-Dione 1/2? Also no idea.

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Source: https://blog.priceplow.com/prohormones/1-andro

Wow good post

 

[pogue]

Wow good post

It comes from the study Seized designer supplement named "1-Androsterone": identification as 3β-hydroxy-5α-androst-1-en-17-one and its urinary elimination. which is one of only two studies available on 1DHEA (and any of the other DHEA or "Andros" as the are colloquially know. Those are the studies I used in my article on PP (linked above), which strikes me know as making me wonder if missed any studies on the base metabolites of what 1DHEA converts into (1 androstenedione and 1 androstenediol) and how they work in the body.

The full studies are available on request, just email me, but the article I wrote should cover them well enough in depth for the lay person.

 

[bwdill]

superdrol huh? i thought superdrol was 2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol or 2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol. maybe i'm mistaken. i'm not. this is 1 andro, 4 andro and dhea and some untested compound. 15+ pounds in 4 weeks? where does this come from? funny how excited kids get when they see the name superdrol. it must be potent! i'm gonna get huge! it's good marketing anyway. i guess we will wait and see.

I think I still have a bottle or 2 of the original nomenclature from 3 years ago....stuff is really harsh.

 

[Audioph1x]

I think I still have a bottle or 2 of the original nomenclature from 3 years ago....stuff is really harsh.

Sdrol always sounded good in my head when planning the cycle, but I couldn't stand it for long. The lethargy was absolutely unreal. Strength was phenomenal, but it doesn't help me if I can't find the drive. I imagine it would be fun as a kicker or someone cruising, but that's the only way I would ever try again.

 

[bwdill]

I tried it out a long time ago and it worked, but there are sides and my cycle support, PCT, and diet were as close to perfect and strict as possible

 

[Whacked]

This stuff ain't doing jack for me

 

[smith_69]

Sdrol always sounded good in my head when planning the cycle, but I couldn't stand it for long. The lethargy was absolutely unreal. Strength was phenomenal, but it doesn't help me if I can't find the drive. I imagine it would be fun as a kicker or someone cruising, but that's the only way I would ever try again.

back pumps- uggg lol

 

[bwdill]

back pumps- uggg lol

Haha I always heard from experienced SD users that you increase carb intake as the lethargy kicks in. This of course was the original nomenclature though.

 

[retroscapers]

Really not enjoying my run of Hi-Tech Superdrol. The only time I've been more disappointed with a prohormone/DS product was when "Shredded Labs" was making their full line of BUNK prohormones. I have UK Superdrol and Tr3st coming in so I'm going to have to get my mind away from this. 1-DHEA by itself would be a much better run. If you buy any prohormone from Hi-Tech I would go with 1-Testosterone it's pretty well dosed and has two amazing delivery systems. This blend in my opinion did nothing for me besides make me feel very hypo, in my personal opinion I'd spend my money on Laxogenin and Epicatechin before going to this product.

 

[Whacked]

^ Going to have to agree

 

[pogue]

It seems like a lot of people in this thread are getting confused with the OG Superdrol, which was Methasterone and HiTech's SuperDrol which is a combination product using the name of the original product, but not having the same ingredients or attributes.

So you've got 4DHEA, 1DHEA, Androsterone combined with an ester for some reason, Androstenolone (which I have no idea what this is), 6-oxo-^4-pregnene-3,20-dione (which no one can seem to be able to tell us with any certainty what it is or what it does or why it's included), Ajuga Turkestanica Extract (which I assume to be Ecdysterone which PubMed seems to back me up on. Finally, it has (3b,5a,6a,25R)-Spirostan-3,6-diol] which Patrick Arnold doesn't seem to be too fond of.

Jared Wheat, the CEO of HiTech bought the trademark for Superdrol, I feel, to intentionally deceive people into thinking his version of Superdrol was the same as the original.

 

[VaughnTrue]

this is a new and and exciting opinion here Pogue. You truly are the first to ever claim to have an issue with the way Hi-Tech names its products. I can't believe no one has brought it up before.

I have had this discussion so many times on this forum, I'm not going to get into it again. I'm just not. You don't like the way Hi-Tech names stuff, don't use the products. You don't like the fact that Hi-Tech purchases names which have great market reach and end user visibility? Take it up with the trademark/patent office.



I stopped responding to your pm's for being an absolute dick when I was doing everything within my personal power to help you get your ideas heard, and I'm just going to have to do my best to responding to you here on the forum for the same nonsense.

As for your interpretation of the formula above, you honestly can't figure out what Androstenolone is? Really? Have you tried typing it into google yet?

Literally the first hit:

Dehydroepiandrosterone
Hormone
Dehydroepiandrosterone/dehydroepiandrostenedione, also known as androstenolone as well as 3β-hydroxyandrost-5-en-17-one or 5-androsten-3β-ol-17-one, is an endogenous steroid hormone. In its pharmaceutical drug form it is called prasterone. Wikipedia
Molar mass: 288.424 g/mol
IUPAC ID: (3S,8R,9S,10R,13S,14S)-3-hydroxy-10,13-dimethyl-1,2,3,4,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-dodecahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren-17-one
Formula: C19H28O2
Melting point: 299.3°F (148.5°C)
CAS ID: 53-43-0

Just like the term Prasterone, its a fancy way to say Dehydroepiandrosterone or "DHEA".

 

[pogue]

mod edit: stop the drama

 

[Admin]

Ok, Vaughn. I see that if there's a post you don't like or can't handle, you get the admin to delete it. Must be nice being a board sponsor.

Boy, that is just funny coming from a bb.com mod.

You can certainly take your drama (considering everyone talked about the name over a month ago) back to bb.com.

And no, Vaughn never even contacted. You sort of show up on the radar when you try and push your articles and your agenda. Its not like we haven't seen this act before.

 

[retroscapers]

Boy, that is just funny coming from a bb.com mod.

You can certainly take your drama (considering everyone talked about the name over a month ago) back to bb.com.

And no, Vaughn never even contacted. You sort of show up on the radar when you try and push your articles and your agenda. Its not like we've seen this act before.

 

[VaughnTrue]

That's fine, and it's been in the supplement industry way back when Impact Nutrition thought of it in the 90s. Take the name of the supplement, prohormone, designer steroid and name it after a drug or a steroid and deceive naive customers. If you are okay with that, then by all means, use whatever you want to use to your advantage to turn a profit.

But, let's look at some of the other terms Jared Wheat has trademarked, just out of curiosity.

• QUAALUDE
• SUSTANON 250
• ANDRIOL
• ANAVAR
• DIANABOL
• BENZEDRINE
• UPJOHN (Trying to own the name to an entire company that makes AAS products?)
• ADIPOKINETIX (Derek Cornelius must be crying his eyes out)
• EQUIBOLIN-XS
• EQUANIL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meprobamate)
• ORA-TESTRYL (http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-53142/ora-testryl-oral/details)
• ACUTRIM (formally sold as phenylpropanolamine)
• ULTIMATE ORANGE (Now this is just sacrilege. Dan Duchaine must be rolling over in his grave)
• TRENABOL
• SUPERDROL
• OSTARENE (I didn't realize HT sold SARMs - or just market supplements as them?)
• SPIROPENT (Trade name for Clenbuterol)
• PINK-HEART (originally used as street names for MDMA or amphetamines)
• METHEDRINE (brand name of a methamphetamine)
• CRYSTAL ICE (street name for meth)
• COCAPURE (ummm...)
• WHITE HORSE (street name for heroin)
• WHITE DRAGON (street name for fentanyl)
• BIPHETAMINE (street name - "Black Beauties" aka amphetamine weight loss product)
• BLACK BEAUTY
• TESTOSTERONE RX
• 1-AD (not actually 1-androstenediol)
• TRENABOLIN
• ANDRO-JECT (expired trademark for autoinjector of testosterone)
• ANDRO IV
• HALODROL (Again, going off the name of the original PH that is now illegal)

Source:https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/jared-r-wheat-1417070/index.html and http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4804:8n0u0e.44.1

Needless to say, I skipped a lot of them, but just look at this list. Every single one of these is meant to deceive people into thinking the products they are buying are legitimate pharmaceutical products. From my point of view, that is incredibly shady. I realize not every single one of these are sold on the open market, and some are just trademarked for who knows what reason. But, nonetheless, it demonstrates a level of morality on this company's behalf.




If you consider me being a dick to call out some of your products I don't know what to say. Some of your products are just no good, and I think you know that. 4DHEA is not a product that should be marketed as advertised, and marketing products with names of pharmaceuticals is downright sleazy.

I appreciate the samples you sent me, and I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to try 1-test, even though the side effects were too much for me to handle. I still think many of the other products in your line are innovative and well designed. I can understand you not wanting to work with me if I come on an online forum and criticize your products, but I can't just sit back and bite my tongue and let people buy and use these products that are, in my personal opinion, junk.

FYI: I found a way to make 4DHEA more bioavailable and convert to testosterone and less to DHT if you're interested. I think it would need a different market than for bodybuilders, per se, but if you're interested, let me know. I'm a little hesitant about working with you now, after you've accused me of being a dick and could just backstab me and steal the idea just out of spite.

I don't want to get into a whole beef with you, Vaughn. But, when I see you marketing Sustanon 250 (a blend of DHEAs with esters attached), or this Superdrol product that's NOT Superdrol, or 4DHEA which converts to estrogen more so than testosterone, it makes me skeptical of your intentions. Do you have your customers best interests in mind or are you just trying to make a sale?



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I must have missed the sidebar, because the first results I looked at were on the right. But, regardless, I would say having DHEA in a prohormone muscle building formula is laughable and using nomenclature as Androstenolone and Prasterone is nothing to brag about, and again confuses customers to what's really in the formula.

This is going to be my final reply to you, because I really don't have the time to play ***** foot with you here on a supplement forum. So take it, read it, respond to it, don't respond to it, I really don't care at this point.

Point 1:

Hi-Tech owns the rights to MANY names, some of which resemble or ARE pharmaceutical names. Again, you are not the first person to mention it, its been brought up MANY times.

Now, with those names, you claim the idea is to intentionally deceive consumers into believing they're actually buying the original drug. Lets take a look at some of the name rights you quoted above which I find the funniest for you to include:

[*]CRYSTAL ICE (street name for meth)
[*]COCAPURE (ummm...)
[*]WHITE HORSE (street name for heroin)
[*]WHITE DRAGON (street name for fentanyl)

Are you telling me someone walking into a dietary supplement store, or checking out on a website like mind&muscle or lockoutsupps is going to see a product named "Crystal Ice" and be like "hot dang! I can buy meth on this here puter now! Ma! Go drain the $58.67 we have in savings, it's time to stock up!"


No. It isn't going to happen that way and you know it. Sustanon 250? Sure, it makes since that someone would think 'Oh man, I'm getting the original injectable testosterone blend, in a tablet...over the counter...and it's cheap. yup, it must be illegal steroids!" Come on, give me a damn break. If someone DOES think that, they shouldn't be buying ANY supplements, let alone prohormones.


Point 2:

You are insinuating that both Jared Wheat and by proxy Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals have low levels of morals. Lets think about that for a second. Which manufacturing company or supplement company can you find that has a PERFECT inspection record with the FDA? Let me answer that for you, it's Hi-Tech. Which company fights for consumer rights by contesting the FDA on ingredients we believe reach DSHEA stipulations, and we spend millions of dollars to do so? I'll answer again, Hi-Tech, no other companies.

I have known Jared for a few years now, and one thing I have always noted about him is that he has NEVER lied to me. Not once. Beyond that, he has never even exaggerated to me. The guy is one of the nicest and hardest working people I have ever met, and it's honestly an honor for me that I get to work for the guy. How many people feel that way about their boss? If I didn't feel this way, I wouldn't be in here responding to this absolute nonsense because it just wouldn't be worth my time.


Point 3:

I couldn't care less if you criticize products. Never once have I responded to any of your critiques in a negative way. We're each entitled to our own opinions, even if yours in particular are misinformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong.

What I do get offended by is your attempt at appearing smarter than other people on this board when that is obviously far from reality with your lack of knowledge on such simple chemical nomenclature, and how you are going to personally attack Jared Wheat when you've never met the guy, and couldn't pick him out of a crowded room. THAT is sleazy, and THAT is what makes me look down on you.


Point 4:

I want absolutely nothing to do with you nor your "ideas". You want to sell someone a way to make 4-DHEA convert at a better rate? That's on you, good luck finding someone willing to tackle that while Hi-Tech owns the patent on 4-DHEA, so we'll ultimately be the manufacturers of the product.



Point 5:

Do we have the customers best interest in mind, or are we just looking to make a sale? SERIOUSLY? First, we're a business, so yes, we look to profit like every other business in this world does. Beyond that, why do you think Hi-Tech is one of the most successful supplement companies/manufacturers in the entire world? Is it because we rip people off and they're not satisfied with the results of the products we give them? That obviously isn't true, or why would people keep buying, using, and recommended us to their friends/family?




Lets face it. You're pissy because you asked me to try and get you a meeting with Jared Wheat to pitch your product ideas. When that didn't happen as quickly as you want, then and only then do you think it's a smart decision to question his personal morals and business practices. You know what this all smells like to me? Sour. ****ing. grapes.

Suck it up buttercup, maybe someone else will give you a shot, but I sure as hell don't wan't to employ someone who wants to meet a man a few weeks ago, and then without having any conversations with him claims he is sleazy and corrupt. What a joke.

 

[Admin]

Lets face it. You're pissy because you asked me to try and get you a meeting with Jared Wheat to pitch your product ideas. When that didn't happen as quickly as you want, then and only then do you think it's a smart decision to question his personal morals and business practices.

Suck it up buttercup, maybe someone else will give you a shot, but I sure as hell don't wan't to employ someone who wants to meet a man a few weeks ago, and then without having any conversations with him claims he is sleazy and corrupt. What a joke.

 

[NurseGray]

This is going to be my final reply to you, because I really don't have the time to play ***** foot with you here on a supplement forum. So take it, read it, respond to it, don't respond to it, I really don't care at this point.

Point 1:

Hi-Tech owns the rights to MANY names, some of which resemble or ARE pharmaceutical names. Again, you are not the first person to mention it, its been brought up MANY times.

Now, with those names, you claim the idea is to intentionally deceive consumers into believing they're actually buying the original drug. Lets take a look at some of the name rights you quoted above which I find the funniest for you to include:



Are you telling me someone walking into a dietary supplement store, or checking out on a website like mind&muscle or lockoutsupps is going to see a product named "Crystal Ice" and be like "hot dang! I can buy meth on this here puter now! Ma! Go drain the $58.67 we have in savings, it's time to stock up!"


No. It isn't going to happen that way and you know it. Sustanon 250? Sure, it makes since that someone would think 'Oh man, I'm getting the original injectable testosterone blend, in a tablet...over the counter...and it's cheap. yup, it must be illegal steroids!" Come on, give me a damn break. If someone DOES think that, they shouldn't be buying ANY supplements, let alone prohormones.


Point 2:

You are insinuating that both Jared Wheat and by proxy Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals have low levels of morals. Lets think about that for a second. Which manufacturing company or supplement company can you find that has a PERFECT inspection record with the FDA? Let me answer that for you, it's Hi-Tech. Which company fights for consumer rights by contesting the FDA on ingredients we believe reach DSHEA stipulations, and we spend millions of dollars to do so? I'll answer again, Hi-Tech, no other companies.

I have known Jared for a few years now, and one thing I have always noted about him is that he has NEVER lied to me. Not once. Beyond that, he has never even exaggerated to me. The guy is one of the nicest and hardest working people I have ever met, and it's honestly an honor for me that I get to work for the guy. How many people feel that way about their boss? If I didn't feel this way, I wouldn't be in here responding to this absolute nonsense because it just wouldn't be worth my time.


Point 3:

I couldn't care less if you criticize products. Never once have I responded to any of your critiques in a negative way. We're each entitled to our own opinions, even if yours in particular are misinformed, ignorant, and flat out wrong.

What I do get offended by is your attempt at appearing smarter than other people on this board when that is obviously far from reality with your lack of knowledge on such simple chemical nomenclature, and how you are going to personally attack Jared Wheat when you've never met the guy, and couldn't pick him out of a crowded room. THAT is sleazy, and THAT is what makes me look down on you.


Point 4:

I want absolutely nothing to do with you nor your "ideas". You want to sell someone a way to make 4-DHEA convert at a better rate? That's on you, good luck finding someone willing to tackle that while Hi-Tech owns the patent on 4-DHEA, so we'll ultimately be the manufacturers of the product.



Point 5:

Do we have the customers best interest in mind, or are we just looking to make a sale? SERIOUSLY? First, we're a business, so yes, we look to profit like every other business in this world does. Beyond that, why do you think Hi-Tech is one of the most successful supplement companies/manufacturers in the entire world? Is it because we rip people off and they're not satisfied with the results of the products we give them? That obviously isn't true, or why would people keep buying, using, and recommended us to their friends/family?




Lets face it. You're pissy because you asked me to try and get you a meeting with Jared Wheat to pitch your product ideas. When that didn't happen as quickly as you want, then and only then do you think it's a smart decision to question his personal morals and business practices. You know what this all smells like to me? Sour. ****ing. grapes.

Suck it up buttercup, maybe someone else will give you a shot, but I sure as hell don't wan't to employ someone who wants to meet a man a few weeks ago, and then without having any conversations with him claims he is sleazy and corrupt. What a joke.

 

[VaughnTrue]

Admin approved rant?!?


:mic drop:

 

[Admin]

Just found that part very interesting.

And when you make a claim about my ethics, that tends to get a response.

 

[compan]

 

[Smont]

The only ppl getting confused are those who don't really know much about anabolics to begin with. I've said before how I don't like how supplement companies use names to lure ppl in but at the same time it only takes 2 min to read a label and figure it out and no1 can deny its a great way to gain attention to a new product. As far as the ingredients go once again it only takes 2 min on Google to look them up. I hate seeing all these debates on topics n products n blah blah that turn into 10 pages of research n arguments. (Love it or leave it alone)

 

[rtmilburn]

While I might disagree with some names hi-tech uses, that's the only complaint I have. So who cares what names they are using, when they are doing everything else right!

These names get more customers. In return those customers bring more money. More money means innovation!! Sooooo IDC what names they use if they are using the money to make good and innovative products.

Now if that money wasn't being used for that sure I would have a big problem with the name issue, but that isn't the case. So again who cares seriously.

 

[Brandaddy]

But seriously, if you're too stupid to check the ingredients, the reputation of the company, etc. Then you get burned on some b.s. product you thought was going to turn you into the hulk. You probably needed to get ripped off so you can find out the hard way, there is no miracle pill to get 24" arms overnight.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

But seriously, if you're too stupid to check the ingredients, the reputation of the company, etc. Then you get burned on some b.s. product you thought was going to turn you into the hulk. You probably needed to get ripped off so you can find out the hard way, there is no miracle pill to get 24" arms overnight.

Agree. HT makes straight NON-PROP PH's that I don't doubt are high quality. Use one of those. Anyone who buys a Prop-Blend in 2016, deserves what they (don't) get Just like "Never Re-Elect an Incumbent" is generally thought to improve government - "Never buy a prop-blend" will improve the industry for consumers. The industry won't change until we do.

 

[rtmilburn]

Agree. HT makes straight NON-PROP PH's that I don't doubt are high quality. Use one of those. Anyone who buys a Prop-Blend in 2016, deserves what they (don't) get Just like "Never Re-Elect an Incumbent" is generally thought to improve government - "Never buy a prop-blend" will improve the industry for consumers. The industry won't change until we do.

Agreed but most consumers are idiots so I don't see that happening