Natural Supps for Low T & High Prolactin?

[93_confirmed]

I'm new to the forum and wanted to get some quick advice. I'm 35 and just got my T levels tested for the first time. I've had low energy, fatigue, lack of drive for many years and am hoping this is the cause so I can finally heal myself.

My Total T is 374, Free T is 6 and Prolactin is 16. I already started working on lifestyle changes to my diet, exercise, sleep etc but want to know if there any legit Supplements to lower the prolactin and raise the testosterone levels. My doc suggested seeing an Endo for the prolactin and Clomid for the T. I'd rather not take a prescription or go TRT if I can avoid it.

Thanks, 93.

 

[Misfit28]

I'm not sure anyone will go against recommended medical advice. The endo might just be your best bet.

 

[MidwestBeast]

Definitely go to the doc to get the PRL situation fixed. It will likely be cabergoline that is prescribed if you've got a good doctor. I have a small prolactinoma (tumor on my pituitary gland) that caused the same elevation and that's what I was prescribed to fix it. Things like L-DOPA could potentially help, but at that level, it should be a prescription.

I'd get that fixed/sorted first and then see how your T levels are after the fact. But I'd definitely address prolactin as number one and then check back on testosterone levels/free t.

 

[heavylifter33]

If you don't want to go the pharmaceutical route, more power to you. TRT is (basically) the end-point so if you don't want to be on therapy for the next 5 decades then definitely see if you can fix your issues by other means. You were correct in making a lifestyle choice first. You could wait a bit and see how you are feeling after these changes. As far as supplements go, there are a few things you could use: Inhibit-P is a great choice for prolactin control.

 

[93_confirmed]

Thanks for the replies. I booked an appt with an endo for mid-August and will focus on lifestyle changes in the meantime.

 

[kboxer7]

An endo is your best bet, but if you don't want to make the jump to that just yet you could go with something like:

BLR:
Letrone
Prolactrone or SNS Inhibit-P
Viron
Rebirth

Other natural supps that are cheap and might work on the total test + free test route:

Boron
ZMA
LJ
Vit D3

+ Weight lifting
Getting enough rest/sleep
Reducing stress


See how you feel after 4-8 weeks, get bloods done again and see if that puts you in range. If you can't get things working by going a natural route then your last bet and prob the best anyway is the DR.

There are other companies out there as well that you could build a stack with. BLR is just an example and they do have some quality products out there. It does get pretty expensive though to keep on this way.

 

[thebigt]

An endo is your best bet, but if you don't want to make the jump to that just yet you could go with something like:

BLR:
Letrone
Prolactrone or SNS Inhibit-P
Viron
Rebirth

Other natural supps that are cheap and might work on the total test + free test route:

Boron
ZMA
LJ
Vit D3

+ Weight lifting
Getting enough rest/sleep
Reducing stress


See how you feel after 4-8 weeks, get bloods done again and see if that puts you in range. If you can't get things working by going a natural route then your last bet and prob the best anyway is the DR.

There are other companies out there as well that you could build a stack with. BLR is just an example and they do have some quality products out there. It does get pretty expensive though to keep on this way.

i have considered blr prolactrone in the past, but why? when inhibit-p is so much cheaper!!!

 

[kboxer7]

i have considered blr prolactrone in the past, but why? when inhibit-p is so much cheaper!!!

Hey now, I mentioned Inhibit-P as well : )

Personally I haven't used either, but I've read a lot of positive things on each and each come from stand up companies.

 

[Shasow]

If you have lifestyle in check and T levels still wont go up the next logical step is meds IMO. And Clomid is a very good place to start before/if going on testosterone.

And you'd want to take mucuna pruriens to lower prolactin. If you wanted to go through doc you'd want cabergoline.

 

[BRUstrong]

OP, are you worried about fertility? I ask only because of the Clomid recommendation. I've been on Clomid for TRT for almost 3 years now and it does work. However, the only reason my doc put me on Clomid instead of test is to maintain fertility (I'm 31 and my wife and I have been trying to have kids). Once that's not an issue, he is switching me to test. However, I believe male safety studies on Clomid for TRT have only been done on usage up to 3 years, so we may be freezing some of my guys soon.

I'm just curious as to whether endos/urologists are prescribing Clomid more often regardless of fertility concerns. Either way, good luck brother!

 

[thebigt]

OP, are you worried about fertility? I ask only because of the Clomid recommendation. I've been on Clomid for TRT for almost 3 years now and it does work. However, the only reason my doc put me on Clomid instead of test is to maintain fertility (I'm 31 and my wife and I have been trying to have kids). Once that's not an issue, he is switching me to test. However, I believe male safety studies on Clomid for TRT have only been done on usage up to 3 years, so we may be freezing some of my guys soon.

I'm just curious as to whether endos/urologists are prescribing Clomid more often regardless of fertility concerns. Either way, good luck brother!

good post!!!

 

[BRUstrong]

good post!!!

Thanks man! Always down to share my story when I think it can help!

 

[T-Bone]

I don't know if I'd mess with any supplements that can effect/affect hormone levels, especially if you are going to have a doc appointment where you will be blood tested. You don't want anything to skew the results of the blood tests. You want it to show how things are when you aren't on anything the effects your hormones.

 

[kboxer7]

I don't know if I'd mess with any supplements that can effect/affect hormone levels, especially if you are going to have a doc appointment where you will be blood tested. You don't want anything to skew the results of the blood tests. You want it to show how things are when you aren't on anything the effects your hormones.

I agree completely.

I may have missed it in the thread, but if u do go back to the doc or an Endo you certainly don't want anything effecting your current hormone panel so that they can make a proper diagnosis & treatment plan.

 

[Matthew1237]

As a natural option I feel like this could be something great to try.

http: //orbitnutrition.com/cart/sports-supplements/testosterone-boosters/bps-endosurge-turbo-180-caps.html

However anything serious should as others said treated by a doctor.

 

[MidwestBeast]

FWIW, for those suggesting OTC prolactin supps, I had ran Inhibit P back when it was first released. Cy (coop) told me it was likely to not help much if at all for my circumstance (whereas it was meant to help people with an elevation from AAS usage or something external).

So, given your level being as high as it is, I wouldn't do anything other than campaign for an Rx for cabergoline.

 

[93_confirmed]

OP, are you worried about fertility? I ask only because of the Clomid recommendation. I've been on Clomid for TRT for almost 3 years now and it does work. However, the only reason my doc put me on Clomid instead of test is to maintain fertility (I'm 31 and my wife and I have been trying to have kids). Once that's not an issue, he is switching me to test. However, I believe male safety studies on Clomid for TRT have only been done on usage up to 3 years, so we may be freezing some of my guys soon.

I'm just curious as to whether endos/urologists are prescribing Clomid more often regardless of fertility concerns. Either way, good luck brother!

I already have a child and no plans for any more so loss of fertility isn't an issue. For me it's more about avoiding medication unless it's absolutely necessary. I live my life as naturally and holistically as I can and try to cure illnesses and ailments on my own before resorting to anything Rx. I go to a specialist to confirm the source of my problem and research like crazy to understand and treat it. Low T will definitely be tricky and I may ultimately end up going with the Rx.

My urologist didn't seem to fond of TRT because of the fertility concerns and I guess a lack of research about the long term effects. He was pushing Clomid and had no other suggestions.

I don't know if I'd mess with any supplements that can effect/affect hormone levels, especially if you are going to have a doc appointment where you will be blood tested. You don't want anything to skew the results of the blood tests. You want it to show how things are when you aren't on anything the effects your hormones.

That's a good point. On one hand I want to start attacking this problem immediately but I do want to have that endo appt and get their detailed plan. I think I'm going to try my way for 90 days - I'll make all the lifestyle changes I can, get it checked at 45 days and then 90 and if I'm not where I want to be I'll go with the endo and Rx.

A few weeks ago I started a new diet and exercise regimen to add muscle mass (I never did any bodybuilding at all) and I'm hoping that combined with supplements, diet changes, better sleep, etc. will help drive the numbers up. I've pinpointed a handful of vitamins / minerals that I know are crucial to T production and managing prolactin levels so I'm going to build my diet around those and supplement with any that I don't feel I'm getting enough of. I know this is a small sample size but I did read a nice article recently with a guy my age and at my levels who doubled his T numbers in 90 days with nothing my those lifestyle changes I've been talking about. That gives me some hope that it can be done but I'm going in cautiously optimistic. I'll post back here periodically for anyone who is interested.

Thanks again for all the replies. :clap2:This thread was my first post on the forum and you guys have been helpful and welcoming. A rarity nowadays and I'll definitely be spending a lot more time here.

 

[Danes]

OP,

1: like rhadam said, try first to see if changed lifestyle works first of all.TRT should be considered as the last "way out"

2: IF you dont see or feel any difference and even bloodwork proving no T increase even months with the new lifestyle, then you could get your Endo/doc to give you Clomid. Trying to "Restart" HPTA.

3: while you wait on changes due to changed lifestyle, it would NOT hurt to buy SNS inhibit P (for prolactin) and a good source of Tongkat Ali (can send you PM on a super potent TA extract).
I am pretty sure this gonna help you and it will deff not make it worse either. I can actually bet TA and inhibit P will improve your levels of prolactin and Testosterone.

Good luck

 

[MidwestBeast]

Just gonna throw this out there again because it seems like it's slipping into the background:

Elevated prolactin isn't the same problem as low testosterone and IMO, it's the more pressing concern. I'm not saying low test isn't a problem and shouldn't be addressed, but the elevated PRL at those levels certainly isn't going to be making you feel any better. Just seems to be a lot of discussion about correcting one problem and not the urgency of solving the other.

 

[Danes]

Just gonna throw this out there again because it seems like it's slipping into the background:

Elevated prolactin isn't the same problem as low testosterone and IMO, it's the more pressing concern. I'm not saying low test isn't a problem and shouldn't be addressed, but the elevated PRL at those levels certainly isn't going to be making you feel any better. Just seems to be a lot of discussion about correcting one problem and not the urgency of solving the other.

It could be simple as , his T levels are affected of Prolactin.
In many cases idiopathic hyperprolactinaemia is seen in many patients. (It means unknown cause).

I mean Inhibit P is worth trying.

 

[thebigt]

It could be simple as , his T levels are affected of Prolactin.
In many cases idiopathic hyperprolactinaemia is seen in many patients. (It means unknown cause).

I mean Inhibit P is worth trying.

the research i have done tells me that really high prolactin levels are usually caused by a tumor called a prolactinoma that can be treated with prescription meds like cabergoline in most cases.

inhibit-p wouldn't hurt but it might not do the job.

if blood tests were ordered by the op's doctor every time i get a result that is out of range my doctor consults with me about treatment????

 

[Danes]

the research i have done tells me that really high prolactin levels are usually caused by a tumor called a prolactinoma that can be treated with prescription meds like cabergoline in most cases.

inhibit-p wouldn't hurt but it might not do the job.

if blood tests were ordered by the op's doctor every time i get a result that is out of range my doctor consults with me about treatment????

I do totaly agree with you
But in many cases,hyperprolactinaemia can be idiopathic too.
I find it strange why his doc was not helpfull tbh.
16ng/ml is not extreme high . < 15 ng/ml is the normal range.
hyperprolactinaemia can be caused by liver/kidney disease and hypothyroidism.
HIGH prolactin levels could be a sign of pituitary tumors.

Since its not extremely high, changing lifestyle and a product such as inhibit P could do the trick..but a bloodwork is needed ofcourse

 

[thebigt]

I do totaly agree with you
But in many cases,hyperprolactinaemia can be idiopathic too.
I find it strange why his doc was not helpfull tbh.
16ng/ml is not extreme high . < 15 ng/ml is the normal range.
hyperprolactinaemia can be caused by liver/kidney disease and hypothyroidism.
HIGH prolactin levels could be a sign of pituitary tumors.

Since its not extremely high, changing lifestyle and a product such as inhibit P could do the trick..but a bloodwork is needed ofcourse

i go to VA for my health care and even the VA doctor is really good at following up on any tests that come back out of range-even slightly out of range!!! sometimes we agree to a wait and see approach, but at least we do have a consult. it is my understanding that a doctor is setting him or her up for negligence if it is not at least addressed, but i might be wrong....

 

[T-Bone]

This isn't a case for "Dr.interweb". All people on here can do is speculate and possibly steer the OP in the wrong direction and screw up his diagnosis because he took OTC supplements that interfered with blood test results.

 

[thebigt]

This isn't a case for "Dr.interweb". All people on here can do is speculate and possibly steer the OP in the wrong direction and screw up his diagnosis because he took OTC supplements that interfered with blood test results.

the only speculation i have is why his doctor didn't follow up with test results????

 

[Danes]

the only speculation i have is why his doctor didn't follow up with test results????

Well, seems like his doc is like thr docs here in Norway. If its almost in the range, it would not be considered as dangerous.

In this case, if he just had a issue with Prolactin (not drastic high) then I would understand his doc. But when there are other issues such as low T levels then i really dont understand why he is not trying to find out why he has those issues.

 

[Danes]

This isn't a case for "Dr.interweb". All people on here can do is speculate and possibly steer the OP in the wrong direction and screw up his diagnosis because he took OTC supplements that interfered with blood test results.

It seems like his doctor is not going to help him. He was just suggesting things.
So OP did the right thing by changing the lifestyle and personaly, with his prolactin levels, i would rather try potent OTC prolactin inhibitor than using a drug wich is
dopamine receptor agonist wich can have plenty of sides (common sides) such as dizziness, vision issues , headache, muscle aches/pain and much more.

Inhibit P is a great OTC PRL inhibitor and it is really worth trying than using drugs .
(Rrmember, I would NEVER recommended supplement if the levels were worse. Than they actually are)

 

[brundel]

93_confirmed

I would suggest talking to an endo. But it wont hurt to try a natural OTC route.

I have seen Prolactrone work so many times that I would ALWAYS try it first.

Combine this with
Viron for the Free T
and Rebirth+Letrone for HPTA stimulation. Letrone boosted Jackedjacks LHx 10. Or 1000% and his total T from 100 to 700.

If you decide to try this please let us know what the lab results are after a month or so

 

[Danes]

Rebirth+Letrone for HPTA stimulation. Letrone boosted Jackedjacks LHx 10. Or 1000% and his total T from 100 to 700

For me, it seems like he was on PCT (recovering from anabolics)
I have a friend who ran Tren,Deca and Test 10 weeks and after cycle he took bloodwork . His serum T was just 110nmol/L after the cycle and 12 weeks later (with no PCT) 680nmol/L

I could allways do a run of Rebirth with Letrone (bloodwork before and after).
My T levels was 259nmol/L last time i checked.

 

[brundel]

He was not on PCT but his levels were in bad shape as he had testicular cancer. He had been in that condition for some time and his Dr scripted him xxx and xxx. He tested for us instead.
= 100-700ish test
I forget the actual numbers offhand but his estro was cut by approx 65%
LH increased10x

7 days after starting he ran labs.

 

[Danes]

He was not on PCT but his levels were in bad shape as he had testicular cancer. He had been in that condition for some time and his Dr scripted him xxx and xxx. He tested for us instead.
= 100-700ish test
I forget the actual numbers offhand but his estro was cut by approx 65%
LH increased10x

7 days after starting he ran labs.

It should do something to my low T as well.
I will try it

 

[brundel]

It will really work best if estrogen is higher than normal. Elevated estrogen = dropping test.
Low estrogen generally speaking = rising test.

 

[Danes]

It will really work best if estrogen is higher than normal. Elevated estrogen = dropping test.
Low estrogen generally speaking = rising test.

Totaly understand

 

[93_confirmed]

This isn't a case for "Dr.interweb". All people on here can do is speculate and possibly steer the OP in the wrong direction and screw up his diagnosis because he took OTC supplements that interfered with blood test results.

I have an appointment set up for 9/3 with the endo so that gives me ~7 weeks to make diet/supp changes. I'm on the fence on whether to continue doing what I've been doing (weight lifting regimen + normal diet), make changes to the diet and/or add a supplement or two. The supplements I'm considering are Inhibit P, mucuna pruriens (just by itself), and/or zinc. As for the diet, I would build it around vitamins A/C/D/E/Zinc/Magnesium - focusing on the foods that provide the highest quantity of each.

 

[Danes]

I have an appointment set up for 9/3 with the endo so that gives me ~7 weeks to make diet/supp changes. I'm on the fence on whether to continue doing what I've been doing (weight lifting regimen + normal diet), make changes to the diet and/or add a supplement or two. The supplements I'm considering are Inhibit P, mucuna pruriens (just by itself), and/or zinc. As for the diet, I would build it around vitamins A/C/D/E/Zinc/Magnesium - focusing on the foods that provide the highest quantity of each.

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