Epi lethargy

[jason267]

Just wondering how fast lethargy has hit during a cycle of Epi?

I havent taken it in a couple years, but a couple buddies are only 5 days in and they are sleeping all the damn time! Saying they feel "blah" during the day. They fear adding in something like 4andro (which i push on em all the time!) because worries over estrogen. Stano is gone, so wondering what could help?
Basically, i thought that it hit the hardest towards the 3rd week on Epi. Not 5 days in...

 

[T-Bone]

Are these your friends?

 

[jason267]

LOL. Jesus, that poor kid second to left...holding a 10lb ezcurl, haha

 

[jason267]

i have to wait a couple months to run some Epi, that ive had for awhile. Just got done with a Msten/A1/Tren run.

 

[yates84]

Are these your friends?

Beast mode!

 

[jason267]

^20lbs and nothin less!!!! hahahahaha

 

[jason267]

back to the OG topic....Epi lethargy, when does it kick in for most?

 

[yates84]

back to the OG topic....Epi lethargy, when does it kick in for most?

Week 3 for me. Only reason it hit me is because I upped my dose to 60mg. When I dropped back down to 45mg the lethargy went away

 

[jason267]

Week 3 for me. Only reason it hit me is because I upped my dose to 60mg. When I dropped back down to 45mg the lethargy went away

did you add on any supp to help with the lethargy or were you running Epi solo?

 

[yates84]

did you add on any supp to help with the lethargy or were you running Epi solo?

I was running epi/tren. Didn't add anything, just dosed less. Lethargy is caused by liver stress a lot of the time, a good cycle support will prevent this

 

[Chevy]

Dermacrine, haven't used but ordered some for my next cycle.

 

[jason267]

ya, on my last msten/a1/Tren cycle, i was low on Cycle Assist so only took half the rec dosage and felt some lethargy. I added some Milk Thistle and NAC and it helped.
Anything else besides the usual 4andro or stano that can help?

 

[jason267]

Dermacrine, haven't used but ordered some for my next cycle.

The main ingredient is: "The primary hormone in Dermacrine is DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone)"
Im sure its a good product though...

 

[Chevy]

Used MACA root powder for last cycle & seemed to help.

 

[jason267]

I just happen to have some on hand...500mgs each. Says take 3 per day...guess ill give it a try.
I figured it would be best during PCT, as its more known for a fertility and sexual tonic!

 

[jason267]

and ya, its MACA root.

 

[T-Bone]

I was running epi/tren. Didn't add anything, just dosed less. Lethargy is caused by liver stress a lot of the time, a good cycle support will prevent this

Lethargy is caused more by low test/shutdown. Hence the reason for a "test base". I'm sure liver stress can contribute to it too, but I think shutdown is the main cause.

 

[Chevy]

A number of things can contribute, elevated cortisol can have lethargic effects also.

 

[jason267]

well when i run it, unless i can swing 2 bottles of 4andro, ill try out 100mgs of DHEA, Maca, Cycle assist (of course), and since you mentioned cortisol, ill run 25mgs of Erase too....see how that goes.

 

[Chevy]

MACA already provides a mild benefit at reducing cortisol, along with it's other good uses.

 

[jason267]

Im planning on running it for sure, i have some quality MACA. Wonder if it will really help with lethargy and energy levels though???

 

[yates84]

Lethargy is caused more by low test/shutdown. Hence the reason for a "test base". I'm sure liver stress can contribute to it too, but I think shutdown is the main cause.

Agreed. Just trying to hit every angle of this problem. jason267, dermacrine is great. It's A very good option for a test base on a lighter cycle.

 

[jewgold]

It was about week 3 for me. I didn't do any test base because I wanted to see how it effects me. Also it was my first cycle ever. I
Lethargy was there but want too bad. I. Had worse with dmz, didn't even if like lifting. This time around I'm going go try derminecrine.

 

[jbryand101b]

You know what fixes lethargy? Ephedrine, an 2 scoops of pre work out.

Btw, even on 600mg test prop, I'm still sluggish, but you man up an get your ass moving

 

[BertBolic]

Lethargy is caused more by low test/shutdown. Hence the reason for a "test base". I'm sure liver stress can contribute to it too, but I think shutdown is the main cause.

It is probably this + dopamine receptor count decrease at the beginning of the cycle.

 

[jason267]

Dermicrine is on its way...be ready for the run!!! THanks fellas.

 

[plifter42]

Epi is fine as a cutter, ran it a few times but wouldn't run it again due to the lethargic sides and dry joints. Probably running winny as my next oral cutter.

 

[jbryand101b]

Epi gives me gyno

 

[jason267]

? Really? Ever run a AI or anything along those lines while running Epi?

 

[jbryand101b]

Nope