Hey guys,
As above, which is better for Sides vs Gains?? Inc liver toxicity of course.
Cheers
As above, which is better for Sides vs Gains?? Inc liver toxicity of course.
Cheers
Is DMZ harsher on the liver being Dimethyl??I'd go with DMZ. Less sides than with M-Sten for me. Gains are similar.
Msten is also Dimethyl.Is DMZ harsher on the liver being Dimethyl??
Msten is also Dimethyl.
It is all goodSo it is, my bad!
What you running as liver supps with yours?
What dose did you run?I just got done MSTEN, never had DMZ. So can't really tell you what one to use.
But with MSTEN I gained like 8 good pounds of muscle.
Started and ended using 16mg ED.What dose did you run?
I think it funny that most of the people in here only have tried one, but not the other.I've taken Sten and it's awesome. Either way, you come out winning.
Still playing around with it haha. I am still very much interested. Just got busy you know.I think it funny that most of the people in here only have tried one, but not the other.
btw, sorry off subject.. What happen to that idea with making your own custom PHs?
That sounds interesting. So it would basically be like truenutrition, except for phs?Still playing around with it haha. I am still very much interested. Just got busy you know.
Yah I ran mine at 24 ED. Had epic gainzzz.
Hadn't thought of it that way but yah kind of!That sounds interesting. So it would basically be like truenutrition, except for phs?
I gotcha life is a very wishy washy, I got lots on my plate now too. ha. Well looking forward to some new goods.Still playing around with it haha. I am still very much interested. Just got busy you know.
Yah I ran mine at 24 ED. Had epic gainzzz.
For the most part I think I looked dry.I gotcha life is a very wishy washy, I got lots on my plate now too. ha. Well looking forward to some new goods.
Was thinking about getting some msten for winter bridge(osta) to m1t oxime. I hear it is a bit wet though?
What were you eating for? Bulk, Cut, Recomp? That is pretty impressive strength, but how was your size gains and how much kept?For the most part I think I looked dry.
Msten is supposed to be like SD but less sides.
Hell I didn't even know it was working until I went into the gym and my bench went up 40lbs (within two weeks).
Sten for me was sideless.What were you eating for? Bulk, Cut, Recomp? That is pretty impressive strength, but how was your size gains and how much kept?
Well, I'm not worried so much about bloat because it will be winter, though don't want bunch of sides.
I bet that was a wild ride.I've had em both...
At the same time.
20mg of each
Actually, I was tight as a tick the whole time, strength was unfair and I ate 500g carbs every day and still didnt get any fatter. The very first day on I hit a PR in squats, which was 315 X 15.I bet that was a wild ride.
Well sides are based on individual I guess. Maybe I could stack it with my DMZ lol.Sten for me was sideless.
No kidding, no back pumps, no acne none of that ****. I had shin splints because I gained to much weight.
I kept almost all of my gains and I targeted chest and biceps and I had people asking me if I was on steroids. I was on a lean bulk. I started at 172 and stopped at 186 lost the glycogen and that stuff and evened out at 183 today. The Osta hasn't let any of my gains go honestly (little to any).
Hell yah. I ****ing love Osta.Well sides are based on individual I guess. Maybe I could stack it with my DMZ lol.
ha. people asked me if I was on steroids before I started cycling, they can't understand hardwork and just are haters. 10-11 lbm is pretty damn good, got to get me some of that osta :yup:
Lol..I'd go with an Msten product like this http://ironflexsupps.com/Prohormones?product_id=59 and if you use code BCAZO20 you save another 20%!!!
Glad I could make you laugh!!!Lol..
It's the Benadryl I took... It's the only thing that helps me with Allergies.Glad I could make you laugh!!!
If he does, I recommend running it at 30mg...I'd go with an Msten product like this http://ironflexsupps.com/Prohormones?product_id=59 and if you use code BCAZO20 you save another 20%!!!
LMAO!!!It's the Benadryl I took... It's the only thing that helps me with Allergies.
True that. Never got to run SD, but I have done plenty of research.If he does, I recommend running it at 30mg...
It aint near as hard on the body as SD is. But, it also doesnt perform quite like SD either. Part of SD's harshness is the 10-15lbs of mass gains in 10 days flat, lol.
All wheezin and crap goin up the stairs...
This^^^ LOLIf he does, I recommend running it at 30mg...
It aint near as hard on the body as SD is. But, it also doesnt perform quite like SD either. Part of SD's harshness is the 10-15lbs of mass gains in 10 days flat, lol.
All wheezin and crap goin up the stairs...
Or just 60mg DMZ, imo.30mg msten, 30mg dmz
Yeah that is just a popular stack I see. I'm thinking of bumping up my dmz next week.Or just 60mg DMZ, imo.
Have no idea, lol. Probably not good though.How are both compounds on lipids?
I did not know albuterol had a positive effect on Cholesterol... This is why I love FP always has great knowledge!!Have no idea, lol. Probably not good though.
Hdrol was terrible on my lipids. Dropped my HDL like 30 points.
I now take Albuterol during cycles of orals now to mitigate the cholesterol effects. Plus Alb is a dang good strength chem in itself. It outperforms many of those designers in this area..
I should get a before and after on the lipids...although I havent run an oral cycle in a while, I bailed on another hdrol run because it was premature and I listened tomy body, which was saying "wait". I'm sure they are better now since I've leaned out and ran some Albut for 5-6 weeks or so. Last time I checked, mine were
HDL 35
LDL 136
Trig I think around 98?
So the combo must have trashed em up but honestly those numbers could be normal for me. I plan to get them done again soon though because I wanted to get my HDL above 40, which I'm confident it is now.
Yessir, I havent personally verified it but there was a straight-forward study performed on normal folks for two weeks, @16mg/day. Results showed a 15% temporary decrease in LDL and a couple percent permanent increase in HDL. I'll get that study for ya..I did not know albuterol had a positive effect on Cholesterol... This is why I love FP always has great knowledge!!
Well, the LDL sure. HDL may be semi permanent, which is good enough to ge ur cholesterol in check until u can make some lifestyle changes.Would you say that the reduction in HDL and increase in LDL only temporary? Or do they stay low/high for a long time after use.
I think that's really determined by diet. But idk it's a hard choice. I ran Sten and loved it. My next cycle is going to be DMZ so I can't tell you the difference yet haha.Which would I see more lean gains from??
Do you like dmz more?Msten was ok. I'm currently running dmz and liking it.
Ill know within a weekDo you like dmz more?
What results did you see from Msten?I think that's really determined by diet. But idk it's a hard choice. I ran Sten and loved it. My next cycle is going to be DMZ so I can't tell you the difference yet haha.
Probably could lean out on either. Both are fairly dry.What results did you see from Msten?
I am wanting to lean out a lot!
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