Guido1983
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Starting my post and was for looking to get a few extra supps. Any ideas??
Was getting
More protein
Test booster
Creatine
Was getting
More protein
Test booster
Creatine
How about some CEL PCT assist??Usually people go SERM, test booster, cortisol control supp.
Ex.
Nolva
20/20/10/10
DAA
3g/3g/3g/3g/3g
Reduce XT
0/0/3/3/3/3
Has this shown to be beneficial?How about some CEL PCT assist??
I would of ran hcg into pct after tren and not ran nolva but that's just meI was taking andropen 275 , tren, and mast 15week total cycle
I currently have some hcg on hand
Started taking my clomid and nolva yesterday
That's mine as well. Would probably throw some xgels in there tooUsually people go SERM, test booster, cortisol control supp.
Ex.
Nolva
20/20/10/10
DAA
3g/3g/3g/3g/3g
Reduce XT
0/0/3/3/3/3
This is the new thing apparently but hcg on cycle is counterproductiveNever run hcG into PCT. That is mistake number 1. HcG mimics LH and thus causes shutdown of LH.
HcG on cycle to keep testes 'plump' while shutdown but come off in pct.
Its not counter productive, its just providing the body with a compound which mimics that of a shutdown one thus 'tricking' the body into thinking it still has LH in the system.This is the new thing apparently but hcg on cycle is counterproductive
You have one substance telling your nuts to work and one shutting them down?
So it makes no sense to un both at once
Many older users run hcg in pct which I wouldn't do and not what I was suggesting
I was suggesting running it after last injection and before pct for a kickstart I said into pct not "in" pct
Well I see your point but I just feel running test and hcg is isn't really doing much because you have one compound telling your testes to work and one shutting them down to.therefore it seems that your body would be up and downIts not counter productive, its just providing the body with a compound which mimics that of a shutdown one thus 'tricking' the body into thinking it still has LH in the system.
In a basic sense, if you are using test on cycle then the body will stop production of LH (thus stopping production of test in the testes); hCG is then used to restore testicular size and function on cycle but because hCG is suppressive, you wouldn't use it into PCT as it would just continue the shutdown of LH.
So people who are "on" for many years straight (5+ years) would use hCG as they would have zero LH production during that time but this allows them to have normal testicular size.
The advantage is that after a cycle including HCG, you only have to wait for the hypothalamus and the pituitary to recover. After a cycle without HCG, you wait for the hypothalamus, then the pituitary, then the testes. And that takes longer.
I'm pretty sure the logic behind it is you want your body thinking it is still producing its own test that way the transition into pct is much easier on your system as a whole. Plus some people don't like their balls shriveling up so that's another reason behind it.Well I see your point but I just feel running test and hcg is isn't really doing much because you have one compound telling your testes to work and one shutting them down to.therefore it seems that your body would be up and down
Constantly. You continue the protocol which is the new way to do it. Do you know where that protocol came from?
And I'm not trying to come across like an a$$ but I know it's hard to tell on here
I know the supposed logic behind it but I don't feel it's possible for one hormone to shut you down and another to say your not shut down. The test wins the battle and you waste hcg instead of just blasting it after your test before pct which is effective IMO to each his own each person will have there opinion or they will go off someone else's opinion from an Internet protocolI'm pretty sure the logic behind it is you want your body thinking it is still producing its own test that way the transition into pct is much easier on your system as a whole. Plus some people don't like their balls shriveling up so that's another reason behind it.
I agree with you that blasting it prior to pct is the best approach.I know the supposed logic behind it but I don't feel it's possible for one hormone to shut you down and another to say your not shut down. The test wins the battle and you waste hcg instead of just blasting it after your test before pct which is effective IMO to each his own each person will have there opinion or they will go off someone else's opinion from an Internet protocol
This literally makes no sense lol. It is possible, because that is what hCG does. It mimics LH. You are of course welcome to disagree, but hCG on cycle helps keep testicular function and sensitivity whilst 'on'. I'm not sure why you think it is 'supposed' logic; this is literally what happens.I know the supposed logic behind it but I don't feel it's possible for one hormone to shut you down and another to say your not shut down. The test wins the battle and you waste hcg instead of just blasting it after your test before pct which is effective IMO to each his own each person will have there opinion or they will go off someone else's opinion from an Internet protocol
On cycle, especially longer cycles, one would use 100ius to maintain testicular sensitivity and function (enough that it mimics the bodys own LH secretion to minimize estrogen conversion). Although it should also be used concurrently with an AI to prevent gyno.I tend to stray from AAS/PCT discussion, but I'd caution heavily against prolonged HCG use (which would be needed if using it through the cycle)
I suggest avoiding prolonged use (emphasis on "prolonged") because data shows the possibility of gonadotrope lossOn cycle, especially longer cycles, one would use 100ius to maintain testicular sensitivity and function (enough that it mimics the bodys own LH secretion to minimize estrogen conversion). Although it should also be used concurrently with an AI to prevent gyno.
I'm curious though, why would you suggest avoiding it?
Always good to know.I suggest avoiding prolonged use (emphasis on "prolonged") because data shows the possibility of gonadotrope loss
I would never touch aas without 250iu hcg mon/wed/fri. Night and day differenceI know the supposed logic behind it but I don't feel it's possible for one hormone to shut you down and another to say your not shut down. The test wins the battle and you waste hcg instead of just blasting it after your test before pct which is effective IMO to each his own each person will have there opinion or they will go off someone else's opinion from an Internet protocol
Rule numero uno, no SERM, no cycle. This isn't the anabolics section though and I have derailed this thread enough. However, suggesting Triazole (a herbal supplement) as a sole AI for PCT, especially for stronger gear, is not a good suggestion.why are people still advising clomid/nolva, both are crap pill drugs that have pronounced side-effects.. they are old school, bet my as that your better off on erase - triazole otcs "healthwise" wich is far more important then keeping ALLLLLLLLLL your gains :> wich eventually will vanish depending on how far above your genetical maximum you are.. or inject some jjjuice more
I couldn't agree more. Get a propped pct buddy. It's not worth it to cycle without one. Good luck!Rule numero uno, no SERM, no cycle. This isn't the anabolics section though and I have derailed this thread enough. However, suggesting Triazole (a herbal supplement) as a sole AI for PCT, especially for stronger gear, is not a good suggestion.
If you want we can debate this further down in the anabolics forum.
Starting my post and was for looking to get a few extra supps. Any ideas??
Was getting
More protein
Test booster
Creatine
Is torem better than nolva ?PCT- Titanium +Erase + DAA (+torem if you can get some)
Creatine - Creignite
Can't go wrong with any of these.
Well Nolva has been around longer, I myself prefer Torem, it shows to have less sides, but everyone reacts different.Is torem better than nolva ?
Nolva is garbage in my opinionIs torem better than nolva ?
Welp, your opinion is garbage in my opinion.Nolva is garbage in my opinion
Curious, why do you consider it garbage?Nolva is garbage in my opinion
Why's that? I haven't really seen too much bad on it (out of the ordinary at least) but TBH I haven't looked into Torem much.Welp, your opinion is garbage in my opinion.
Personally, Clomid over all.. .wouldn't touch torem with a 10 foot pole.
Mike
I know personally with torem I FEEL like i rebound much faster then other serms. And higher doses of Clomid at the front of pct make me moody.Curious, why do you consider it garbage?
Why's that? I haven't really seen too much bad on it (out of the ordinary at least) but TBH I haven't looked into Torem much.
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