No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

[gymrat00]

Im thinking of starting to take H-Drol next month and from what I been told Novadex is what people use for the PCT. Can you advise on what you think is the best PCT with out a doctors prescription? Thank you.

 

[delsolrob]

Im thinking of starting to take H-Drol next month and from what I been told Novadex is what people use for the PCT. Can you advise on what you think is the best PCT with out a doctors prescription? Thank you.

the search function is your most valuable tool, there are tons of examples of PCT for different halodrol cycles on this forum.

 

[Burly]

Very good info, I will direct newbies to this post, it will answer a lot of there questions from the start.

Thanks again

 

[statik]

Google is a godsend. I think I've said more than enough on this topic.


Neither a SERM, nor a PCT protocol are "necessary" but are both a very good and very recommended idea. Personally, I would not run a cycle without using a SERM.

I agree. I am about to do my first cycle ever after I finish researching what the best PCT is for an Hdrol cycle. So why is it that many seem to think that Hdrol PCT doesn't warrant a SERM? I think better safe than sorry, but I see a lot of Hdrol posts claiming it's not strong enough to warrant a SERM.

 

[statik]

Man, I gotta lotta newbie Q's comin' in here this weekend. Which is good: I'd rather you learn from my word than learn the hard way. Just an observation.

That's why we are here:bigok:

 

[statik]

these products have the potential to provide recovery for mild cycles. post cycle support by AI was originally designed as a PCT for mild Epi Cycles...should work well for standard h-drol cycles too. Definately not something I would trust after a SD (or other potent AAS) cycle though!

I think Advanced PCT by AX was designed for 3AD too...very mild!

But would you trust ONLY PCS by AI coming off an Hdrol cycle? If so, I'm assuming I still need to keep a SERM on hand, right?

 

[brownieapple]

bumped for justice. good information. lost in the depths of the forum.

 

[delsolrob]

bump

 

[calibeast22]

sinner,
would you need to take any serms or reduce xt on an oral dbol cycle. your posts sound like its not needed till after finishing the cycle..but other places ive looked say to take nolvadex and and reduce xt while on and off. can you clear this up for me please

 

[SMD]

Nice piece and good follow up answers...Sticky?

 

[JIXXER]

BUMP!!:type:

 

[thesinner]

sinner,
would you need to take any serms or reduce xt on an oral dbol cycle. your posts sound like its not needed till after finishing the cycle..but other places ive looked say to take nolvadex and and reduce xt while on and off. can you clear this up for me please

ancillary products are sometimes used alongside aromatizing steroids. This helps keep down water weight and/or the occurence of "Moobs".

I don't think nolvadex would be of much help

An aromatase inhibitor like ATD (i.e. reduce xt) might be a viable, "more-legal" option (compared to the alternatives). Formestane might be another possible "more-legal" option as well.

 

[calibeast22]

thank you. can you tell me what you think i should take while on and the pct. this is what the cycle looks like. oral 10mg dbol /6weeks. 10/20/30/30/30/30. i have on hand nolvadex ,reduce xt,inhibit e,and anabolic innov cycle support.

 

[IFBB7]

Great thread mate, awesome information.

 

[lonewolf0420]

ancillary products are sometimes used alongside aromatizing steroids. This helps keep down water weight and/or the occurence of "Moobs".

I don't think nolvadex would be of much help

An aromatase inhibitor like ATD (i.e. reduce xt) might be a viable, "more-legal" option (compared to the alternatives). Formestane might be another possible "more-legal" option as well.

OMG Sinner, is it really you? I haven't seen you around here in ages.

 

[thesinner]

OMG Sinner, is it really you? I haven't seen you around here in ages.

Yeah. I've been pretty busy over the past year or two, but I'm around every now and then.

 

[Sm00v31]

I have a question and it's not really Post cycle, it's more during and post cycle. Can I still take an NO product during the cycle and post cycle? I take NO2 and am I am getting ready to do a Havoc cycle 20/30/30/40/40.

 

[BigBlackGuy]

I have a question and it's not really Post cycle, it's more during and post cycle. Can I still take an NO product during the cycle and post cycle? I take NO2 and am I am getting ready to do a Havoc cycle 20/30/30/40/40.

Yes. Those products are generally looked down upon because they are expensive and less effective than others... but some do like them. either way, nothing confounding or contraindicting in those products that would interfere with your cycle.

IMO, don't take it during cycle, though. Wait for PCT. That way you can continue getting huge pumps when you're done the anabolics.

 

[thesinner]

Generally speaking, most 'roids' increase Nitric oxide production. That's why Arnold used to compare the pump to cumming, with the copious amounts of primo he was taking at the time.

To answer your question, it is fine to take whatever nitric oxide product you are using.

In terms of dollars to benefits; however, I've never seen much purpose in taking a nitric oxide product regardless of being on cycle, off cycle, or on PCT.

 

[paulykim01]

Im actually coming off a p-plex epi bridge. currently have nolva, triazole (AI + SERM), activate xtreme (t booster), and lean xtreme (cot blocker). should i take them all starting day 1 of pct? some people are saying to start the nolva and wait 2 wks to start the other supps.
nolva going 40/40/20/20

 

[Sad_que]

Hello. I'm another H-drol noob, I have access to a bunch of 10mg nolva tabs but to be honest I'm interested in some OTC option. Perhaps in the 3-4 years since this thread was started, some reasonable OTC products have arrived? I don't know. There are certainly 100's or 1000's of logs online now where people have used OTC PCT. No bloodwork, though (then again I've not really seen bloodwork from anyone else, either).

 

[N.Woods Giant]

Hello. I'm another H-drol noob, I have access to a bunch of 10mg nolva tabs but to be honest I'm interested in some OTC option. Perhaps in the 3-4 years since this thread was started, some reasonable OTC products have arrived? I don't know. There are certainly 100's or 1000's of logs online now where people have used OTC PCT. No bloodwork, though (then again I've not really seen bloodwork from anyone else, either).

If you have access to nolva you should at least get some to keep on hand

 

[Sad_que]

If you have access to nolva you should at least get some to keep on hand

Yea I meant that I basically have it, it's in the possession of a friend who lives on the same road as me and I can have it if I want/need it.

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The main thing I'm finding from my investigations so far is that essentially no two sources of information agree with each other completely (if at all!), and also many opinions are not all they seem to be. For example if someone claims they recovered great with some OTC product, they go ahead and promote OTC products and maybe are inclined to highlight the potential risks of SERMs. But who knows if they might have recovered faster/better with a SERM really? And they certainly never got bloodwork done.
Likewise for people who eat 40mg of nolva after some H-drol, again nothing terrible happens to them and they recover, so they go on to praise SERMs and criticise OTC products - but maybe the nolva wouldn't have been necessary.

It's like the loyalty people have to products and manufacturers, without any "real" reason, you know.

That's the trouble with any legally-dubious activity, isn't it. It's hard to ever consolidate data and produce some sort of consensus.

Not to mention that different **** works for different people...

In the end one has to just jump in and try it, I guess!

 

[johnbjmarcum]

bump

 

[ctAL]

i need to read this thread.

 

[WannaBFranco]

I know a crap ton of companies change just one letter in many supps to make it sound the same as something that's actually legit. My question is, is Supercissus RX the same as Supercissus? They're made by the same company, so my thought is that it might be an upgrade somehow. Just wondering. I've never taken either of them before.

 

[AaronJP1]

Bump this for the great info
Thank you.

 

[gymrat827]

holy old thread batman!!!

 

[P_MIKE_V]

Great thread, beautiful information. Everyone should be forced to read this (I wish I had been)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[strategicmove]

I know a crap ton of companies change just one letter in many supps to make it sound the same as something that's actually legit. My question is, is Supercissus RX the same as Supercissus? They're made by the same company, so my thought is that it might be an upgrade somehow. Just wondering. I've never taken either of them before.

Same product. No formula changes whatever. The "Rx" was dropped to avoid the impression that it were a drug, or compound available via prescription.

 

[HardCore1]

Hey guys sorry if this is redundant, bit I must have missed it. If your taking a supplement with an AI already in it what do you do differently for PCT? Im currently taking Sports One Andro XS and it has ATD @25mg and Chrysin @24mg and what looks to be HDROL @25mg. Im taking 75mg ed and have everything from hcg to maca for pct. Im really just curious on what others suggest for pct if your taking a ps with an AI in it. Thanks!

 

[Airborne42]

Hey guys sorry if this is redundant, bit I must have missed it. If your taking a supplement with an AI already in it what do you do differently for PCT? Im currently taking Sports One Andro XS and it has ATD @25mg and Chrysin @24mg and what looks to be HDROL @25mg. Im taking 75mg ed and have everything from hcg to maca for pct. Im really just curious on what others suggest for pct if your taking a ps with an AI in it. Thanks!

SERM!!! the foundation of your pct, DAA and Erase... Support supps and your staples like creatine and all that

 

[HardCore1]

SERM!!! the foundation of your pct, DAA and Erase... Support supps and your staples like creatine and all that

Thanks. Had an idea that's what the answer would be! For some reason I remember reading somewhere that you should add something extra, timing, or something else. Idk.

 

[Airborne42]

Always bro its like buying something with creatine in it already... You still wanna get your creatine from a different source (on its own)

 

[Slappy244]

Let's also start by saying that you don't have to run post cycle therapy.........you also don't have to wipe your ass after taking a dump: it's just a really really good idea to do these things :dump:


SERM's: the foundation of post cycle therapy:
Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators are (and damn well should be) the foundation for any proper post-cycle therapy plan. A post cycle therapy plan without them, isn't a post cycle therapy plan: it's a bunch of crap you decided to take after doing a cycle.

^ I love this. Great work sir! you have my applause!

 

[delsolrob]

time to bump this

 

[kBrown]

Loved it. Actually forwarded it to a friend for him to read lol

 

[kdeome]

A must read... THANK YOU!!!

 

[raulob72]

Bump great !!!

 

[chico1]

I am new to AM so forgive me if this is an obvious question but..do these rules apply exactly the same to PHs as they do to AAS? Because I have been researching my first cycle for months (hdrol) and everyone has been telling me ontop of a SERM, the next most important thing is a natural test booster and that an AI or Cortisol Blocker isn't needed. Please someone elaborate?

 

[chico1]

SERM!!! the foundation of your pct, DAA and Erase... Support supps and your staples like creatine and all that

In regards to my previous post, this is what I was recommended to take during PCT from a 6 week hdrol cycle. I already have the nolva serm and CEL pct assist, but how much DAA and Erase do I need to take and what is the timing? From my research my nolva should be taken at 20/20/10/10...correct?

 

[Airborne42]

3g daa beginning to end or longer
Erase 1/2/3/3/2/1 or you could start beginning of 3rd week

Doesn't matter on timing and that looks solid

 

[chico1]

3g daa beginning to end or longer
Erase 1/2/3/3/2/1 or you could start beginning of 3rd week

Doesn't matter on timing and that looks solid

I was under the impression they were both supposed to be taken alongside the SERM during PCT, not during the cycle alongside the hdrol?

 

[Airborne42]

I was under the impression they were both supposed to be taken alongside the SERM during PCT, not during the cycle alongside the hdrol?

Yes in pct but doesn't matter at what Times. I take my serm before bed with AI and daa pwo

 

[Montego1]

Re: No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

I'm not a fan of ai' s in pct unless using something that crushes estrogen and fear of estrogen rebound.

Cortisol blockers are good when cutting for sure tho.

 

[chico1]

Okay sorry if I sound like an idiot but I'm confused.

1. You said to run the DAA from beginning to end, as in beginning to end of PCT so start the day after my last hdrol pill?or beginning to end of cycle? or beginning to end as in cycle all the way through PCT (10 weeks total)?
2. You said for the Erase 1/2/3/2/2/1 as in start the last two weeks of my 6 week cycle then continue for the 4 week PCT alongside my PCT Assist and SERM (nolva at 20/20/10/10)?

So if I am understanding correctly than you are suggesting this:
1. Last 2 weeks of cycle start Erase at 1/2/
2. PCT begins- start nolva (20/20/10/10) and continue Erase (3/2/2/1) and take CEL Cycle Assist (4 in morning, 4 at night)
3. Like asked above, where does the DAA go?

Thanks for your help!

 

[chico1]

I'm not a fan of ai' s in pct unless using something that crushes estrogen and fear of estrogen rebound.

Cortisol blockers are good when cutting for sure tho.

Is Erase only an AI? or is it an AI/Cortisol Blocker? I've hear both.

 

[Montego1]

Re: No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

Daa starts day after cycle ends. So the first day of pct to be more clear. Got your D-Pol man?

 

[Montego1]

Re: No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

Is Erase only an AI? or is it an AI/Cortisol Blocker? I've hear both.

Yes erase supports both. As does Recycle. I've used Recycle and D-Pol a few times in PCT an it's a killer combo. Breaking PR's in pct is always good

 

[chico1]

So my order and quantities for my PCT sound correct as listed above (except add 3g of DAA in)?