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if you read his article in the beginning, Big Cat clearly states nolvadex/ clomid are not steroids. they are serm's. . . he also writes on arimidex, which is an AI. . . just do a little more reading broBump
if you read his article in the beginning, Big Cat clearly states nolvadex/ clomid are not steroids. they are serm's. . . he also writes on arimidex, which is an AI. . . just do a little more reading broBump
Yes, but you should really know a lot more than that before you do a cycle. You should have your entire pct layed out and in hand before you even start.this is probably a stupid question but is a SERM, a Cortisol blocker, and a test booster all necessary for a 4 week cycle of Winstrol at 50 mg every other day???
Check out my layout and use hypx2 or atd in place of torem. Then you can get everything you need from nutraplanet. Just remember, that Torem is available through prescription only and you should do some RESEARCH if you want to know more about its effects.guys can you link me to where i can buy PCT products? I look in the store and don't know what to buy
check out the rules bud, you're not allowed to ask for sources.guys can you link me to where i can buy PCT products? I look in the store and don't know what to buy
yes. i ran it at 120/90/60/30.Toremifene:
Reputation: Very popular on this board
Pros: Much less toxic.
Con's: $$$$$expensive$$$$$
Popular Dosages (for a 4-week cycle): 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg
i have liquid toremifene 60mg/ml...are these servings still valid?
And yess, very expensive
Just wondering what OTC PCT only did you run and what were the bad results? was it gyno related, low test, weight strength loss and also what cycle did you try the OTC PCT on? thanksMy personal experience: NEVER use over the counter PCT supps for a good PCT. You can run them in conjunction with, but never to replace a SERM.
please help!:frustrate i am going with halotest 25 halodrol 50:jaw:clone for FIrst cycle????? and tomoxifen 40/40/20/20/ is this good for 1st hormone use
Goat semen......lots and lots of goat semen. Don't eat real food, just goat semen. If you stick to this plan, I can guarantee in less than a week something will happen
Better have a short cycle - a long one will drive your test levels to 0 - and without some of what is listed, you will lose your gains. Been there - done that.thats great advice! But i think ill try my luck...Last time i gained 15 lbs and was able to maintain. Call me old school..
It only comes in loads. :usa2:What does that come in?
There he is:biglaugh:It only comes in loads. :usa2:
these products have the potential to provide recovery for mild cycles. post cycle support by AI was originally designed as a PCT for mild Epi Cycles...should work well for standard h-drol cycles too. Definately not something I would trust after a SD (or other potent AAS) cycle though!so what about pct's that you can buy (reversitrol, anvanced pct, etc.) that claim to increase natural test and block estrogen? is this stuff crap? not work? not recommended or what?
No, its a AI(aromatase inhibitor). It prevents the conversion to estrogen.Is Nolvadex XT considered a SERM? or just something close to it but not powerful enough ?
Clomid is usually stacked withh Nolvadex for the first few weeks. The idea being to kickstart HPTA recovery without the 'weird' clomid side effects. Clomid is actually a special estrogen, and when you're on it, you definitely act like a little b*tch.
Underrated? A little bit. Some people (like Chad) are oldschool and run clomid-only PCT's.
Do you want potential ramifications or likely ramifications? Likely ramifications are none, I can't recall ever hearing of an arrest for ordering research chemicals. Potential ramifications? SERMs or erectile dysfunction meds qualify as "Legend Drugs" as they are prescription only compounds inside the US. So they are illegal to possess without a prescription for them for personal use. So unless you are registered as a research facility they would be illegal to own. I have never seen this enforced for these sort of items, but it doesn't mean it cant be. If there were a fire in the house, and in the post investigation they found it, they could arrest you for it.... Would they? I doubt it, but the risk is thereIs AG-Guys and Chemone research still legitimate? Also, what legal ramifications could there possibly be if I buy a product off one of these sites w/ my creditcard?
i second this question, can someone please answer?This is a great thread. Thank you very much from a noob who is desperately trying to wrap his head around the innumerable threads, posts, sites and opinions about this subject. Because of all the conflicting information I feel like the best I'll ever be able to do is make an educated guess so I'm trying to get as educated as I can get in order to make the best guess :-|
Seems like the contributors to this thread are firmly in the "always use a SERM" camp. But there hasn't been any discussion about PP's TRS stack, or more specifically their Sustain Alpha product.
PP claims that this alone is sufficient for PCT with nearly any steroid, but especially for a mild one like Havoc/Epi. There are some message boards where people enthusiastically buy into this claim. Any thoughts about that from this group?
If there's no way around using a SERM I'm interested in possibly using Toremifene. The only con of Toremifene that's mentioned is "$$$$$expensive$$$$$." No other sides or other cons of using this SERM? How expensive is this stuff, what will it cost for a full PCT of 120-240mg/120mg/60mg/30mg? If cost isn't a factor is this the best/safest/ideal SERM option?
TIA
Wow. Interesting you quoted that post from me. I've come a long way since making that post.i second this question, can someone please answer?
Very nice thread btw.
SERMs do not prevent the "absorption of estrogen". you do not eat estrogen, it is made in the body by the interaction of testosterone with the aromatase enzyme. SERMs attach to the estrogen receptor and prevent estrogen binding and subsequent effects.No, its a AI(aromatase inhibitor). It prevents the conversion to estrogen.
A SERM helps prevent the absorption of estrogen.
sorry bud, it's against the rules to ask for sources. a simple search on google should get you going.Sorry fairly new to this forum and have been out of the game for some time now. The products mentioned on the pct are they legal and if so where do you find them. Want to be careful not to break any forum rules. But by the names of some of the items im guessing they can be bought online. Thanks you guys have alot of good info here.
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