E-SPRAY HAS ARRIVED

[francesco]

Is E spray good to run with test prop???

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Is E spray good to run with test prop???

everything is good to run with test prop

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Could we possibly see an 11/E stack, similar to the 11/7? Would be very beneficial for those that want to run them back to back with other combos etc.

I want to run this cycle:

Androhard: 3 pills week 1-8
Dermacrine: 4 pumps week 1-8
11-KT Spray: 50 sprays week 1-4
E-spray: 50 spray week 5-8

A stack for arou d 90 -100 would be nice, and fit my budget

Also, any logs for the E-spray yet?

 

[Ape McGrapes]

EDIT: Double post.

EDIT EDIT: send me free products.

 

[truthornothin]

Could we possibly see an 11/E stack, similar to the 11/7? Would be very beneficial for those that want to run them back to back with other combos etc.

I want to run this cycle:

Androhard: 3 pills week 1-8
Dermacrine: 4 pumps week 1-8
11-KT Spray: 50 sprays week 1-4
E-spray: 50 spray week 5-8

A stack for arou d 90 -100 would be nice, and fit my budget

Also, any logs for the E-spray yet?

I am not sure on the logs, nor the stack but you never know

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Yeah, with the 7/11 it makes sence to do one. Get PA on it.

 

[abish]

is there any concern with the negative effects of dht with using of e spray. Im already using cycle support which has saw palmetto. i particularly concerned with prostate issues

 

[truthornothin]

is there any concern with the negative effects of dht with using of e spray. Im already using cycle support which has saw palmetto. i particularly concerned with prostate issues

DHT can be trouble for the Prostate....However, that is if DHT were taken in a vacuum and there were no other metabolites and or processes involved. Here is an excerpt from an article that show that blocking DHT may reduce the risk of getting prostate cancer ...BUT increases the risk that if you do get it you will die from it

t's true that if DHT alone is considered, elevated levels of DHT might be thought to increase your prostate cancer risk, as DHT is a procarcinogenic (for the technically inclined, dedifferentiating) metabolite. (3), (4)

But Nature hasn't provided DHT alone! If we take the metabolites of DHT into consideration, too, elevated DHT may or may not have this effect. One of these metabolites may actually offset or even reduce any DHT-increased risk. How does that happen?



Stop Suppressing Your Natural Defense

After testosterone is converted to DHT, DHT is in turn normally metabolized into a relatively smaller quantity of 5 [alpha] -androstane-3 [alpha], 17 [beta] -diol (abbreviated as 3 [alpha] -Adiol), and a usually larger amount of 5 [alpha] -androstane-3 [beta], 17 [beta] -diol (abbreviated as 3 [beta] -Adiol). These same researchers also report that while nearly all the 3 [alpha] -Adiol is converted back to DHT (which presumably makes 3 [alpha] -Adiol a "pre-procarcinogen"), the 3 [beta] -Adiol does not convert back to 5 [alpha] -DHT. Very importantly, they report that 3 [beta] -Adiol is an anticarcinogen (for the technically inclined, a redifferentiating agent) that activates estrogen receptor beta, an anticarcinogenic estrogen receptor present in large numbers in the prostate gland. (5) (Estrogen receptor beta is present in many other tissues in both sexes, but that's a topic to be explored at another time.)

What's that? A testosterone metabolite that activates an estrogen receptor? A testosterone metabolite that doesn't activate any androgen receptors at all? That's right, and (very unfortunately for the men involved) my observation has been that many men who take finasteride to suppress procarcinogenic DHT end up suppressing their own anticarcinogenic 3 [beta] -Adiol even more, thus shifting the procarcinogen (DHT) to anticarcinogen (3 [beta] -Adiol) ratio toward a greater risk of cancer. I've also seen this occasionally with high doses of saw palmetto.

In a letter to the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, Otabek Imamov, MD, et al. state, "[DHT] is the fulcrum in this balance. It suggests that finasteride, by blocking the conversion of testosterone to [DHT], inhibits the production of [3 [beta] -Adiol] thus suppressing [the anticarcinogenic activity of] ER [beta] and preventing the [re]-differentiation of epithelium. This mechanism could account for the higher incidence of poorly differentiated tumors in the finasteride group in the Prostate Cancer Prevention Trial." (6)

you can find the full article here

http://www.biomedsearch.com/article/anticancer-testosterone-metabolite-3beta-Adiol/297056560.html

 

[EasyEJL]

is there any concern with the negative effects of dht with using of e spray. Im already using cycle support which has saw palmetto. i particularly concerned with prostate issues

there is a pretty big difference between DHT created by enzymatic action on testosterone, and DHT administered other ways. DHT has even been looked at for use as a testosterone replacement for men with low testosterone. In and of itself, directly administered there didn't seem to be any increased incidence in BPH or hair loss.

 

[Bizzle123]

Hey Guys,

Just ordered the 7/11 stack, UR Spray, COP and E-spray! Cant wait to how they go.

One question in regards to E-Spray.. How much shut down and side effects can I expect from a 4 week cycle and is it permanent? I am 26 and I'd be happy to just continue using the great other products if E-Spray is to much of a risk for me.

Cheers!

 

[truthornothin]

Hey Guys,

Just ordered the 7/11 stack, UR Spray, COP and E-spray! Cant wait to how they go.

One question in regards to E-Spray.. How much shut down and side effects can I expect from a 4 week cycle and is it permanent? I am 26 and I'd be happy to just continue using the great other products if E-Spray is to much of a risk for me.

Cheers!

At 4 weeks minimal shut down and certainly not permanent

 

[abish]

Mine should be here today. Has anybody started theirs yet.

 

[muad33b]

Mine should be here today. Has anybody started theirs yet.

No but I plan on using E-spray to combat libido/lethargy sides on my next cycle...

 

[truthornothin]

Mine should be here today. Has anybody started theirs yet.

next week I start mine

 

[abish]

I'll start tomorrow with my epistane

 

[DonnyG]

Should I worry about using E-Spray if I sleep with my gf? I picked up UR spray after truth let me know I was gtg. I really like the idea of e-spray (loved stanodrol) but wouldn't want my girl growing a mustache or a dick. Thanks guys, and thanks to PA for standing by this industry for so long.

 

[abish]

On day 2 nothin to report yet

 

[Spaniard]

On day 2 nothin to report yet

Keep us posted

 

[truthornothin]

Should I worry about using E-Spray if I sleep with my gf? I picked up UR spray after truth let me know I was gtg. I really like the idea of e-spray (loved stanodrol) but wouldn't want my girl growing a mustache or a dick. Thanks guys, and thanks to PA for standing by this industry for so long.

It is hormonal so I'd err on the side of caution. If you are completely dry you should be ok but sweat can reactivate it so be careful

 

[abish]

good info truth. I have worn a longsleeve tee and socks for the lat two days while Im home around my wife and kid. So as long as its dry and i cant really feel any residue i should be ok for some light contact.

 

[muad33b]

Should I worry about using E-Spray if I sleep with my gf? I picked up UR spray after truth let me know I was gtg. I really like the idea of e-spray (loved stanodrol) but wouldn't want my girl growing a mustache or a dick. Thanks guys, and thanks to PA for standing by this industry for so long.

IMHO, It depends; standard contact while clothed should be no big deal... but if you're wrestling around in a t-shirt and shorts, or rolling around in the bedroom, it might be a good idea to jump in a pool or shower off any topical products with any hormonal activity...

 

[abish]

Don't know if its related but been on espray since Friday so 3 days and had one hell of a wet dream last night had to get up and shower. I'm 28 and don't get those too often anymore.

 

[truthornothin]

Don't know if its related but been on espray since Friday so 3 days and had one hell of a wet dream last night had to get up and shower. I'm 28 and don't get those too often anymore.

could very well be to quote I think Johnny Carson "I remember when my dreams were wet and my farts were dry" lol

 

[abish]

Not anything really new still at 50 sprays 2x daily. Great pumps in the gym and more vascular during w/o but no difference in sex drive.

 

[Spaniard]

Not anything really new still at 50 sprays 2x daily. Great pumps in the gym and more vascular during w/o but no difference in sex drive.

Wouldn't great pumps and *increased* vascularity be considered as new?

 

[abish]

Yes but I am stacking with epistane at 30 mg daily. And have been since the start of espray. I was hoping more for that raging sex drive feel. I'm not disappointed yet I still have a bottle and a half so I have lots more time for more testing

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Isn't that going to be crazy dry on your joints?

 

[abish]

Not yet. Bus have cissus on hand might start supplementing for prevention

 

[muad33b]

Isn't that going to be crazy dry on your joints?

Dry is probably not the right way to think about it, as it's unlikely that there is literally less water in your joints. There is science out there that suggests lowering endogenous estrogens facilitates the onset of inflammation. If that is the case, you could call the joint pain from low E, arthritis (literally "joint inflammation") or if it is the case that it isn't a problem caused by inflammation, Patrick has used the term is arthralgia (literally "joint pain"). I've certainly noticed this joint pain on high doses of EPI (50-60) and AI's (3 Erase/day causes me severe pain), but never felt like my joints were "dehydrated".

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Dry is probably not the right way to think about it, as it's unlikely that there is literally less water in your joints. There is science out there that suggests lowering endogenous estrogens facilitates the onset of inflammation. If that is the case, you could call the joint pain from low E, arthritis (literally "joint inflammation") or if it is the case that it isn't a problem caused by inflammation, Patrick has used the term is arthralgia (literally "joint pain"). I've certainly noticed this joint pain on high doses of EPI (50-60) and AI's (3 Erase/day causes me severe pain), but never felt like my joints were "dehydrated".

correct, its an inflammatory issue not a water issue.

people probably assumed it was water because estrogens are associated with water retention

 

[Ape McGrapes]

I just used dry to festive how my joints feel when lowered.

PA, there is another thread discussing weather DHT is an AI and works on estrogen receptors. Swing as this is an epiandrosterone thread, could you clear this up? Would be nice too quote someone who knows his ish.

 

[Patrick Arnold]

I just used dry to festive how my joints feel when lowered.

PA, there is another thread discussing weather DHT is an AI and works on estrogen receptors. Swing as this is an epiandrosterone thread, could you clear this up? Would be nice too quote someone who knows his ish.

dht and its metabolite 5a-androstandione have been identified as having aromatase inhibition activity. they may act as receptor antagonists too, or post receptor modulators of estrogen gene expression

 

[GQNemesis]

50sprays a day ..how long will the bottle last ?

 

[Ape McGrapes]

4 weeks, but I found my 11-KT lasted 5 at 50 sprays.

EDIT: Thank you PA.

 

[zaire2d]

So 7.2grams of epi / 28 days on 50 sprays = 257mg.

Right?

it's the better dosed epiandrosterone product on the market.

 

[abish]

correct, its an inflammatory issue not a water issue.

people probably assumed it was water because estrogens are associated with water retention

Pa what can be done to combat the joint issues. Can a nsaid be used or would something like super cissus or joint spray help

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Pa what can be done to combat the joint issues. Can a nsaid be used or would something like super cissus or joint spray help

all of those have anti-inflammatory activity

 

[abish]

Clear

 

[DkGreek]

Pa what can be done to combat the joint issues. Can a nsaid be used or would something like super cissus or joint spray help

Joint Force.

 

[slythe]

How long do the Prototype sprays take to absorb? If you spray in the morning, does it absorb gradually over a period of hours? Is it best to stay naked for a while to let it dry as much as possible before putting on clothing that it could rub off on?

 

[truthornothin]

How long do the Prototype sprays take to absorb? If you spray in the morning, does it absorb gradually over a period of hours? Is it best to stay naked for a while to let it dry as much as possible before putting on clothing that it could rub off on?

it takes only two or three minutes to dry. I wouldn't shower for several hours after though

 

[Patrick Arnold]

How long do the Prototype sprays take to absorb? If you spray in the morning, does it absorb gradually over a period of hours? Is it best to stay naked for a while to let it dry as much as possible before putting on clothing that it could rub off on?

absorption through the layers of the skin is a gradual process. it absorbs into the outer stratum corneum layer pretty fast though. the product will not easily rub off once it has dried

 

[muad33b]

absorption through the layers of the skin is a gradual process. it absorbs into the outer stratum corneum layer pretty fast though. the product will not easily rub off once it has dried

Ugh, there goes my excuse to sit around nude twice a day lol.

 

[abish]

Noticed over the last few days something new. Dont wanna insult anyone but have noticed that my persperation smells different. Like i said i dont wanna offend anyone but the smell is Similar to a black person

 

[Spaniard]

Noticed over the last few days something new. Dont wanna insult anyone but have noticed that my persperation smells different. Like i said i dont wanna offend anyone but the smell is Similar to a black person

Smh..... Holy ****ing **** dude...

- Valdez

 

[Sean1332]

Noticed over the last few days something new. Dont wanna insult anyone but have noticed that my persperation smells different. Like i said i dont wanna offend anyone but the smell is Similar to a black person

I can see this on their website "warning: do not use product for more than 8 weeks. product may cause you to smell black, discontinue use and seek a physicians help if this occurs"

lol wtf

 

[southsideguy]

Noticed over the last few days something new. Dont wanna insult anyone but have noticed that my persperation smells different. Like i said i dont wanna offend anyone but the smell is Similar to a black person

Dude are you serious???

 

[truthornothin]

Ugh, there goes my excuse to sit around nude twice a day lol.

Who needs an Excuse?

 

[truthornothin]

Dude are you serious???

That is wrong on every possible level

 

[Patrick Arnold]

Noticed over the last few days something new. Dont wanna insult anyone but have noticed that my persperation smells different. Like i said i dont wanna offend anyone but the smell is Similar to a black person

HERE we go...