oufinny
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I didn't get that bottle sample you promised so I can do a 1 month run starting next week, just saying...
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lmao, don't we all want this.:afro:
nattydisaster
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lol :mischievous:
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Alright, I finished my samples, and here's what I'm thinking:
Having only a couple of days to try this in, it's difficult to give a concrete opinion; that is with longer usage my estimation of the stim could easily change. So, take these observations with a grain of salt.
- Energy/stimulant is decent, but mild. You're not cracked out of your gourd, you're simply taken from "fatigued" to "alert". I don't know what your shooting for, natty, but if you want the main focus of this product to be it's stim properties, then I'd bump up the dose.
- Thermogenesis is a solid "maybe". Helpful, aren't I? The weather's been freezing here and my lab manager is a whisp of a woman who cranks up the thermostat to ~80 everyday. So while I certainly felt warm while on the Beta Stim, I cannot say unequivocally that it was not a byproduct of women always being cold.
That being said, you already make Alpha-T2. If I want Thermogenesis, I'ma go pop 2 of those and spend the day sweating naked in the snow. So, I'm presuming whatever is in this new stuff is something that will complement AT2 very well.
- As I said before, appetite suppression doesn't apply to me; it's just a result of fasting.
So, I'm trying to be constructively critical here, not for any bad reason but because I like both PES and natty quite a bit. There are precious few guys whom I would trust when they offered me samples with unidentified contents.
Lord knows I wouldn't trust Irish Cannon to such a thing - he'd send me LSD claiming it was a pre-workout.
TL;DR - there's a LOT of potential here, all that really needs to be done is bump up the stim potency/dose and perhaps define the niche this product will fill as compared to AT2.
Having only a couple of days to try this in, it's difficult to give a concrete opinion; that is with longer usage my estimation of the stim could easily change. So, take these observations with a grain of salt.
- Energy/stimulant is decent, but mild. You're not cracked out of your gourd, you're simply taken from "fatigued" to "alert". I don't know what your shooting for, natty, but if you want the main focus of this product to be it's stim properties, then I'd bump up the dose.
- Thermogenesis is a solid "maybe". Helpful, aren't I? The weather's been freezing here and my lab manager is a whisp of a woman who cranks up the thermostat to ~80 everyday. So while I certainly felt warm while on the Beta Stim, I cannot say unequivocally that it was not a byproduct of women always being cold.
That being said, you already make Alpha-T2. If I want Thermogenesis, I'ma go pop 2 of those and spend the day sweating naked in the snow. So, I'm presuming whatever is in this new stuff is something that will complement AT2 very well.
- As I said before, appetite suppression doesn't apply to me; it's just a result of fasting.
So, I'm trying to be constructively critical here, not for any bad reason but because I like both PES and natty quite a bit. There are precious few guys whom I would trust when they offered me samples with unidentified contents.
Lord knows I wouldn't trust Irish Cannon to such a thing - he'd send me LSD claiming it was a pre-workout. TL;DR - there's a LOT of potential here, all that really needs to be done is bump up the stim potency/dose and perhaps define the niche this product will fill as compared to AT2.
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^^^I am the same way - I have to know EVERYthing in a product before I will use it, and the rare few people whom I will try something without hesitation without knowing what it is when asked - says a lot about that individual, but not just the individual but the company as well. PES has a lot to bring to the table in 2011, and looking forward to watching and being a part if it
~Rosie~
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hmmmm.:aargh:
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Well, I finally had a day I remembered not to take other stims! First off, thanks to NattyD and PES for the chance to try this out. I'm a stim junkie and love trying things out before buying because I tend to be a non-responder except at high doses. Both Natty and PES are stand-up, and are real innovators and run a good business IMO.
Since folks have already been responding back to their individual samples, I decided to take all 24 pills at once to see what true stim junkies would feel (seriously, who takes a single dose anymore?). Well, Rosie has been giving a hardcore stim junkie perspective, but I still had to try it anyway!
Energy: 6/10 - It certainly wasn't a cracked out feel, no jitters or racing heart. It did give me a boost at first, then a decline (snooze), then picked back up and lasted a few hours. It wasn't an incredible feeling, but it was there and a little bit over baseline.
Mood: 6/10 - It helped a little over time, I was rather grumpy in the AM and as it got into the early evening my mood picked up a bit (according to my wife, and she's a very tough judge). If it was this supplement, it took quite a bit of time to register TBH.
Appetite: 4/10 - I had just eaten before I took the 24 caps, and then I was hungry for another meal just an hour or two later. Usually a snack suffices, but I ended up eating another meal, then a snack shortly after. May not have been the supplement as my family is sick and perhaps my body just needs more food.
Thermogenesis: 5/10 - I didn't feel like my core body temperature went up. No change in clothing, and no feeling like I was getting warmer. It's not like a thyroidal where I can feel body temperature go up, or even Green Tea Extract, but no sweating or anything.
Summary: ? - Personally, based on this single (double-dosed) sample I wouldn't look for the single compound to provide much TBH. Perhaps it's missing something that it needs to be stacked with to amplify desired effects? Don't know, without knowing what it is and the MOA I'm skeptical.
Thanks again for the chance to try it out. It seems like it's missing something in the formulation, so perhaps look to other complementary MOAs that can add to it. Best of luck!
Since folks have already been responding back to their individual samples, I decided to take all 24 pills at once to see what true stim junkies would feel (seriously, who takes a single dose anymore?). Well, Rosie has been giving a hardcore stim junkie perspective, but I still had to try it anyway!
Energy: 6/10 - It certainly wasn't a cracked out feel, no jitters or racing heart. It did give me a boost at first, then a decline (snooze), then picked back up and lasted a few hours. It wasn't an incredible feeling, but it was there and a little bit over baseline.
Mood: 6/10 - It helped a little over time, I was rather grumpy in the AM and as it got into the early evening my mood picked up a bit (according to my wife, and she's a very tough judge). If it was this supplement, it took quite a bit of time to register TBH.
Appetite: 4/10 - I had just eaten before I took the 24 caps, and then I was hungry for another meal just an hour or two later. Usually a snack suffices, but I ended up eating another meal, then a snack shortly after. May not have been the supplement as my family is sick and perhaps my body just needs more food.
Thermogenesis: 5/10 - I didn't feel like my core body temperature went up. No change in clothing, and no feeling like I was getting warmer. It's not like a thyroidal where I can feel body temperature go up, or even Green Tea Extract, but no sweating or anything.
Summary: ? - Personally, based on this single (double-dosed) sample I wouldn't look for the single compound to provide much TBH. Perhaps it's missing something that it needs to be stacked with to amplify desired effects? Don't know, without knowing what it is and the MOA I'm skeptical.
Thanks again for the chance to try it out. It seems like it's missing something in the formulation, so perhaps look to other complementary MOAs that can add to it. Best of luck!
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I am not sure if you are still sending samples for reviews, but I would definitely like to try this out for you and give you a review. I am PM'ing you now. Thanks.
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Samples are out of stock!
If we get more, I will be sure to give them away. We have a 2 week log about to start for those who are following
If we get more, I will be sure to give them away. We have a 2 week log about to start for those who are following
Rosie Chee
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Will be watching that!
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natty you always forget me
luelinks
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I've already talked people in the gym to try this out and there waiting for it to be released. It looks like I'll be placing a big order of this when it comes out
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Nice! We appreciate it!
Rosie Chee
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You should get them to look at Alpha-T2 and Erase as wellI've already talked people in the gym to try this out and there waiting for it to be released. It looks like I'll be placing a big order of this when it comes out
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I'm Back!
Hey everybody, I am back from my surgery and good to go. I was able to use the first of my sample packets Saturday on my first workout. I am in the middle of testing the second sample on a relaxed work day. Other than coffee I have not had a stim in 2 weeks.
Saturday - Morning Fasted Weight training.
Temperature outside COOL 40-50 degrees - Clothing Sweats, tshirt and a Hoodie.
9:55 AM - Consume 12 caps of mystery product with sugar free coolaid, and 14 grams BCAA's on an empty stomach.
10:15 AM - Take note of time as I noticed I had been walking around the house for about 5 minutes steadily moving. Definite smooth onset of very clean energy.
10:23 - Getting restless to do work start bothering wife to take her preworkout stuff... Originally expected a little slower ramp up from the other reviews however I was re-sensitized to stims during my lay off and I was very ready to hit the weights. Between now and getting to the gym I also noticed slight feelings of hypoglycemia. Blood sugar definitely took a dip. I am very sensitive to this feeling and think may be the slight lethargy some were noticing post dosing. Does this compound have known repartitioning effects?
11:ish - Already at gym working out and have nice smooth even energy same level as I had from before. Once I began to workout the focus outweighed the feeling of hypoglycemia Thermo effect starting to have a slight effect on me. I took hoodie of to experience further and make sure wasn't just the jacket. I stayed slightly warmer but not hot and not anywhere near the thermo effect I get from Alpha-T2.
12:00PM - Did 4 sets of high rep squats still had great focus and nice clean energy, but thermo wise I was not sweating however the gym seemed cooler than normal. Basically my entire workout I had a really nice level of energy to where I was really focusing and going for it on worksets but able to actually relax during my rest periods instead of pacing from being really stimmed.
1:30 PM was able to have my post workout shake no issues with consuming it. Was also still able to eat post workout wholefood meal without any issues, but was not starving for it like normal. Considering I woke up late and was behind on calories for the day I would say that the fact I wasn't famished is a sign that there is a slight appetite suppression. However not a strong one and definitely not based off of the power of the stim so must be through another mode of action.
3:00PM Still somewhat energetic. No crash noticed from supplement.
Summary of day one:
Well I noticed a nice pick me up in energy from this. Thermo effects were there but not extreme. Energy and thermo effects I would compare to taking 2 ReCreate. As a matter of fact a lot of the feel was similar to that of Recreate which is still one of my favorite nonstim diet pills. I had a good mood, what felt like a slight dip in blood sugar about 30-45 minutes after taking it, and once I made it through what felt like a dip in blood sugar the appetite suppression kicked in however it just kept hunger from being overbearing but did not make it harder to consume food at all.
Thoughts on ability to burn fat. Well, as everyone here has said this is a bit too short of a run to say what may or may not happen with extended use of the product. The stim, thermo, nor appetite suppression was strong enough to give me a definite impression it would be really effective. So the ingredient on it's own without knowledge of MoA does not have a WOW factor like a dose of ALPHA-T2 does. I could tell you in one dose A-T2 was going to work. If the MoA has to do with a few avenues like repartitioning, increasing cAMP it may do well on its own. If not then it will probably be better suited thrown into something that it would create some sort of synergy with due to it's attributes.
Positives - Very clean long lasting energy. Not overly stimmy, does not make eating hard to do. I like a supplement to help control my appetite but can not stand it when one makes it actually hard to consume my food. Seems I had a slight bit of mood elevation also but it could have just been extra energy.
Negatives - Length of time sampling. Stim too weak for most people looking for a nice stim/thermo effect. Marketing would have to explain this before a user takes the product so the know it is not a "stim" type diet pill but uses another MoA if that is the case.
Hey everybody, I am back from my surgery and good to go. I was able to use the first of my sample packets Saturday on my first workout. I am in the middle of testing the second sample on a relaxed work day. Other than coffee I have not had a stim in 2 weeks.
Saturday - Morning Fasted Weight training.
Temperature outside COOL 40-50 degrees - Clothing Sweats, tshirt and a Hoodie.
9:55 AM - Consume 12 caps of mystery product with sugar free coolaid, and 14 grams BCAA's on an empty stomach.
10:15 AM - Take note of time as I noticed I had been walking around the house for about 5 minutes steadily moving. Definite smooth onset of very clean energy.
10:23 - Getting restless to do work start bothering wife to take her preworkout stuff... Originally expected a little slower ramp up from the other reviews however I was re-sensitized to stims during my lay off and I was very ready to hit the weights. Between now and getting to the gym I also noticed slight feelings of hypoglycemia. Blood sugar definitely took a dip. I am very sensitive to this feeling and think may be the slight lethargy some were noticing post dosing. Does this compound have known repartitioning effects?
11:ish - Already at gym working out and have nice smooth even energy same level as I had from before. Once I began to workout the focus outweighed the feeling of hypoglycemia Thermo effect starting to have a slight effect on me. I took hoodie of to experience further and make sure wasn't just the jacket. I stayed slightly warmer but not hot and not anywhere near the thermo effect I get from Alpha-T2.
12:00PM - Did 4 sets of high rep squats still had great focus and nice clean energy, but thermo wise I was not sweating however the gym seemed cooler than normal. Basically my entire workout I had a really nice level of energy to where I was really focusing and going for it on worksets but able to actually relax during my rest periods instead of pacing from being really stimmed.
1:30 PM was able to have my post workout shake no issues with consuming it. Was also still able to eat post workout wholefood meal without any issues, but was not starving for it like normal. Considering I woke up late and was behind on calories for the day I would say that the fact I wasn't famished is a sign that there is a slight appetite suppression. However not a strong one and definitely not based off of the power of the stim so must be through another mode of action.
3:00PM Still somewhat energetic. No crash noticed from supplement.
Summary of day one:
Well I noticed a nice pick me up in energy from this. Thermo effects were there but not extreme. Energy and thermo effects I would compare to taking 2 ReCreate. As a matter of fact a lot of the feel was similar to that of Recreate which is still one of my favorite nonstim diet pills. I had a good mood, what felt like a slight dip in blood sugar about 30-45 minutes after taking it, and once I made it through what felt like a dip in blood sugar the appetite suppression kicked in however it just kept hunger from being overbearing but did not make it harder to consume food at all.
Thoughts on ability to burn fat. Well, as everyone here has said this is a bit too short of a run to say what may or may not happen with extended use of the product. The stim, thermo, nor appetite suppression was strong enough to give me a definite impression it would be really effective. So the ingredient on it's own without knowledge of MoA does not have a WOW factor like a dose of ALPHA-T2 does. I could tell you in one dose A-T2 was going to work. If the MoA has to do with a few avenues like repartitioning, increasing cAMP it may do well on its own. If not then it will probably be better suited thrown into something that it would create some sort of synergy with due to it's attributes.
Positives - Very clean long lasting energy. Not overly stimmy, does not make eating hard to do. I like a supplement to help control my appetite but can not stand it when one makes it actually hard to consume my food. Seems I had a slight bit of mood elevation also but it could have just been extra energy.
Negatives - Length of time sampling. Stim too weak for most people looking for a nice stim/thermo effect. Marketing would have to explain this before a user takes the product so the know it is not a "stim" type diet pill but uses another MoA if that is the case.
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Very thorough review Kleen, I agree with your assessment. I'm really intrigued to see what this new compound is and what the MoA might be...
thebigt
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just took 12 caps-on my way out the door to work. the plan is to take another 12 caps at 3am break.
nattydisaster
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Graveyard shift?
oufinny
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Nice review Kleen, must spread more rep... I concur with your review. I could see stacking this with AT-2, maybe a few other things for an excellent low stim cut stack. DCP comes to mind as does the HEAT stack. PES and Genomyx are coming out with some great products that compliment each other well, it is a good time to be a supplement user .
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Rosie Chee
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They definitely areNice review Kleen, must spread more rep... I concur with your review. I could see stacking this with AT-2, maybe a few other things for an excellent low stim cut stack. DCP comes to mind as does the HEAT stack. PES and Genomyx are coming out with some great products that compliment each other well, it is a good time to be a supplement user
2011 is going to be a great and interesting year for the supplement world, for sure!~Rosie~
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yup, for the last 12 years, i love it.
ok, got to work and didn't really feel much stim, so i drank a cup of coffee-that seemed to set it off. i really didn't feel all that more energetic than usual, but i did feel more alert and wide awake. at 3am i took the 2nd dose [12 caps], again really didn't feel much stim so at 5am break i drank another cup of coffee-same as last time the coffee kicked it in. finished out the shift feeling much fresher than normal.
imo, caffeine added to this really brings out the effect. stacked with a-t2 and 100mg caffeine i feel this would be a real winner. as for the thermo effect i agree with kleen, not as much as a-t2. for appetite control it's hard to tell-at work when i am busy is the only time my appetite isn't raging, lol.
my observation is that as a solo ingredient it isn't earth shattering, but it could be a valuable component in a formula. this compound combined with at-2 and 100mg caffeine has real possibilities, imo.:biggthumpup:
thank you, natty. appreciate the opportunity.
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I agree BigT, this is ripe for a product that is pretty basic, as in a few key ingredients dosed right, to stack with the rest of the PES line. A nice stim that goes well with Shift and Erase would be a sexy stack and very cost effective too. Get to it Natty! :biggthumpup:
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since natty took the stims out of a-t2 for shift, i don't see why he couldn't make alpha-t2 extreme with the beta stim and added caffeine.:fingersx:
oufinny
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Oh stop talking dirty to me BigT!
oke:
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Right that sounds great. By the way I am not going to write up a major thing for my second experience. It was basically the same as the first only difference was that I did not work out. Energy was there but not crazy, only slight thermal increase, and still got hypoglycemic feel about 30-45 minutes after taking it and that cleared up about in 20-30 minutes.
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lol-does sound good, don't it.Oh stop talking dirty to me BigT!
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For those interested, I am currently on day six of a 13 day Beta Stim review.
PES Beta Stim: Review (Cont'd.)
PES Beta Stim: Review (Cont'd.)
Rosie Chee
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Cool. Watching.
schizm
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Any new developments with the 'BetaStim' or did it get placed on the backburner so AnaBeta could be 'heated up'..? just curious :kiss:
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It took a while to source the raws, as this isnt a typical ingredient. We have received them though, just waiting on a few things!
Lots of good things to come from PES in 2011
Lots of good things to come from PES in 2011
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Maybe a 1 - 2 punch for PES releases!
bdcc
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I completely missed this. As a recent joiner to the stimulant addict crowd I am very keen to see what PES comes up with.
schizm
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Maybe a 1 - 2 punch for PES releases!
oooohhh-hoo...sounds fantastic PES!
<Bam-Bam!!>
ax1
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This is great, cant believe I missed this thread. Subbed and ready to order!
EasyEJL
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I recall it fondly, the thermogenic effect was nice in the snow.
Rosie Chee
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Interested in seeing what and if any changes were made to the beta version.
Definitely lots of GREAT things coming from PES in 2011! :yup:
~Rosie~
schizm
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No joke! brb Pm'ing Natty my CC info to keep on file to avoid any delays for this and AnaB
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I dont mind this taking awhile to release....along with anabeta...why? I dont have any money to buy lol!
You better believe Im gonna stock up on some beta stim if i get the chance. That was a great mystery product. And I cant wait to see what the heck anabeta is!
You better believe Im gonna stock up on some beta stim if i get the chance. That was a great mystery product. And I cant wait to see what the heck anabeta is!
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No changes were made. BetaStim is just 1 ingredient. We were working with a sample amount. We just had to get a large quantity.
Oh and you wont have to take 12 caps per dose
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Thats good because eleventeen is my limit.Oh and you wont have to take 12 caps per dose
Rosie Chee
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All good - thanks for the info, JoshNo changes were made. BetaStim is just 1 ingredient. We were working with a sample amount. We just had to get a large quantity.
Oh and you wont have to take 12 caps per dose
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PES BetaStim has hit production....DUN DUN DUN
More to come soon. Release will be around the same time as AnaBeta
More to come soon. Release will be around the same time as AnaBeta
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That's awesome news, I'm sure a lot of ppl wil be looking forward to these new and exciting products.
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That's awesome news, I'm sure schizm is looking forward to these new and exciting products.
that IS awesome news...and yes, yes I am Delta!!
In fact, I've got my
PES dispensers all lined up ready to go!!!
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Beta Stim is available NOW at Nutraplanet! Beta stim was a single ingredient fat loss ingredient. Each capsule contained 3mg of this ingredient.
This special ingredient is in an all NEW UPGRADED formulation of Alpha-T2, available now! :http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/new-alpha-t2-90-capsules.html
Please read the entire writeup on our website and see why Higenamine makes the Alpha-T2 formula even better: http://pescience.com/products/new-alpha-t2/
Enjoy this new innovative fat loss revolution - Higenamine - all new compliant beta-agonist!
This special ingredient is in an all NEW UPGRADED formulation of Alpha-T2, available now! :http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/pesupplments/new-alpha-t2-90-capsules.html
Please read the entire writeup on our website and see why Higenamine makes the Alpha-T2 formula even better: http://pescience.com/products/new-alpha-t2/
Enjoy this new innovative fat loss revolution - Higenamine - all new compliant beta-agonist!
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Higenamine... hmmm... will have to research some more... Amines seem to be hit or miss for me.
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Very nice! Can't wait to try it
When is it available in the UK? (Do i get a tester bottle?)
When is it available in the UK? (Do i get a tester bottle?)
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damn, that sounds like a nice combo.
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It will be in the UK soon.
It is a very smooth combo...been taking it for about 4 weeks myself
More thermogenic than the old formula, and equally clean feeling
It is a very smooth combo...been taking it for about 4 weeks myself
More thermogenic than the old formula, and equally clean feeling
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Would work well with AnaBeta given the discussion on andergenic effects methinks?It will be in the UK soon.
It is a very smooth combo...been taking it for about 4 weeks myself
More thermogenic than the old formula, and equally clean feeling
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