What's your reason for taking prohormones instead of steroids ?

[Australian made]

I think you forgot somewhere in there that a lot of guys are scared of needles.

yeah no doubt. couldnt be bothered editing my post to add that. im not afraid of needles but i would not like to inject myself. i wont lie, i wouldnt even no how to do it properly.

 

[Australian made]

Are you saying PH's give you more mass, and faster at that, than AAS? PH's are weaker, water-down versions of AAS.

I clearly didn't say that, although you cannot deny that 10-15lbs off a 3-4 week oral cycle is quite easily attainable. Most guys would be happy with that. I don't give a crap if ph's are watered down versions, the fact is they work and the cycles are a lot easier to manage. There is little need for expsensive on cycle supps like adex,Letro, HCG etc.

I cycle responsibly and look after myself, im just pointing out one of the main reasons a lot of guys run ph's over injectables. i mean think about all the guys that are still living at home or in college and not earning much money etc but want to add 10lbs as qiuckly as posible. Ph's are very attractive hence why they are so commonly used.

 

[Ziquor]

Yeah they're easier to get & you don't have to worry about the law (right now) which is what I think attracts most. Though if I could get AAS in the same way as PH's the decision would be clear & there'd be no reason at all to buy PH's. The only reason you'd not need arimidex or another AI is because either PH's are weaker or they're models after dryer AAS as opposed to more androgenic compounds.

 

[utvol]

I clearly didn't say that, although you cannot deny that 10-15lbs off a 3-4 week oral cycle is quite easily attainable. Most guys would be happy with that. I don't give a crap if ph's are watered down versions, the fact is they work and the cycles are a lot easier to manage. There is little need for expsensive on cycle supps like adex,Letro, HCG etc.

I cycle responsibly and look after myself, im just pointing out one of the main reasons a lot of guys run ph's over injectables. i mean think about all the guys that are still living at home or in college and not earning much money etc but want to add 10lbs as qiuckly as posible. Ph's are very attractive hence why they are so commonly used.

Yea its possible gain 10-15lbs on phs but its a hell of a lot harder to keep it. Over half of your gains will be lost after a ph cycle regardless of pct. Stuff like adex, letro, and hcg aren't absolutely necessary when on an AAS cycle although adex and/or letro is good to have on hand. If your at home or in college your probably too young to be using AAS or PH's.

 

[ReaperX]

The comparison between designers and real A.A.S. is a very glib argument (stealing that quote from Tom Cruise.)


It's like saying, 'I'm gonna do coke cuz crack is so much worse.'


Designers/real 'roids. It is all the same. You are not ahead of the game by doing designer orals instead of D-Bol, Drol, Var, V, etc......

The only line being drawn is legalities and medical research. Other than that, it is all the same.

 

[pantera101]

WOW i cant believe what you guys are saying. You are realy all worried about getting caught by the cops? Just be honest. I will tell you why myself and im guessing a lot of other guys on this site use ph's over injectables. BECAUSE WE WANT THE EASY WAY OUT! its a hell of a lot easier to do 3 weeks of superdrol followed by 3 weeks of PCT. the whole cycle only took 6 weeks compared to what 12 weeks plus 4 week PCT or thereabouts. I can make up a few excuses to tell my friends about why im not going out drinking and partying with them. One week its "im gunna have a week or two off the booze", then it might be "im just gunna save some cash for the next week or two" or "im not feelnig to well, think ill stay off the booze this wkend". Then the cycle is over and you can get back into the swing of things socially. Diet wise again, i only have to be really strict with my diet for 5 or 6 weeks let alone 15-16. If your on an injectable cycle then it makes it much harder to keep skipping things and making excuses. Of course some of you guys probably don't drink at any time but im pretty sure im not the only one who thinks like this.

I have been in and out of legal trouble since i was 15.I have untill november 14 before i get off a two year probation sentence now.I was on for a year and a half at 18.I have been through so many classes,some twice,and spent thousands of dollars because of being caught breaking the law.Probably in the 5 digits to be exact.Everytime you get in trouble it gets worse.So yes,i don't seek steroids because of legal trouble.The chances of being caught are slim,but it does happen,especially to me it seems

Personally,i tell people all the time,if i drink tonight,i wont go to the gym in the morning,or it's absolutely worthless calories.As far as the diet thing goes.I don't slack,or pick it up because of cycles.I do try to eat more,but i always eat as much as i can.I learned that you don't grow constantly,so you don't have to force feed yourself 24/7.In the past,when i got fed up with no gains,i would start force feeding myself.Sometimes I can tell i have hit a growth spurt,cause out of nowhere my appetite goes through the roof.So I take advantage of this.Because of ph's now,i kind of force a growth spurt with them,but i don't say i gotta pick it up and start eating like a bb cause of superdrol.I always eat like a bb,i am a bb,just not a competetive bb.

I am not scared of needles either,i pierced my eye brow many times,and my nipple once.Then i had my eyebrows and lip professionaly done.I also have 4 tattoos,$1,300.00 worth,so that gives you an idea of the size of these,one is small.I could see this being some peoples reasons,but not mine.As far as needles go though,thats what orals are for,so a weak argument.(i know you didn't say the needles,but others did)I do see your point,just saying that is by no means me.

 

[pantera101]

It's like saying, 'I'm gonna do coke cuz crack is so much worse.'

:toofunny: I love this,it's the same as people snorting heroin cause only junkies inject :toofunny:

 

[Brian5225]

1) PH's (Honestly, they're not ph's they're designer steroids.) are damn cheap. I can pick up a bottle of an SD clone and run 2 cycles for 25 bucks.

2) A lot of people out there have good jobs, a gf or spouse, a good reputation, yada yada yada. You pick up an SD clone, and people think you're taking GNC supplements. You start injecting or using Dbol or Winny and you get labelled as a roider. Some lying, cheating, criminal, freak and you're ostracised and can lose a hell of a lot in your life.

3) Designers are legal. I can buy a bottle and not worry about the feds showing up on my door. I can even stock up and not worry about it. But if I go on the black market and start dealing with AAS then all kinds of sh!t can happen. Paranoia is too much for me.

4) Needles suck. I remember my father back in the day went to a show where Rich Gaspari was (not competeing but present) and he had a limp. Questions were asked and turns out he got some sort of infection in his glute. Not to mention I hate needles anyways.

5) Sources. And even if a person feels they have a reputable source, things can go awry.

I am in no way saying AAS are less effective or anything like that. You can bet your @$$ that if AAS were legal, I wouldn't be using the other stuff. But its not. And socially and legally roids are shunned and only the lowest of the low use them in the general publics eyes. Part of it for me is that I have a reputation in a small town and I wish to uphold that reputation. To me, it has to do with the risk/benefit ratio.

 

[BB12]

Because PHs are legal and easy to buy, and you know what you buy.

Roids are illegal and in "black market" you can't know if they really sell you what they say.

I concur!!

 

[utvol]

1) PH's (Honestly, they're not ph's they're designer steroids.) are damn cheap. I can pick up a bottle of an SD clone and run 2 cycles for 25 bucks.

2) A lot of people out there have good jobs, a gf or spouse, a good reputation, yada yada yada. You pick up an SD clone, and people think you're taking GNC supplements. You start injecting or using Dbol or Winny and you get labelled as a roider. Some lying, cheating, criminal, freak and you're ostracised and can lose a hell of a lot in your life.

3) Designers are legal. I can buy a bottle and not worry about the feds showing up on my door. I can even stock up and not worry about it. But if I go on the black market and start dealing with AAS then all kinds of sh!t can happen. Paranoia is too much for me.

4) Needles suck. I remember my father back in the day went to a show where Rich Gaspari was (not competeing but present) and he had a limp. Questions were asked and turns out he got some sort of infection in his glute. Not to mention I hate needles anyways.

5) Sources. And even if a person feels they have a reputable source, things can go awry.

I am in no way saying AAS are less effective or anything like that. You can bet your @$$ that if AAS were legal, I wouldn't be using the other stuff. But its not. And socially and legally roids are shunned and only the lowest of the low use them in the general publics eyes. Part of it for me is that I have a reputation in a small town and I wish to uphold that reputation. To me, it has to do with the risk/benefit ratio.

LOL. You just said ph's are steroids but then say you don't want people to label you as a "roider". What do you do walk around with a bottle of SD and tell people you got it at GNC? If you gain 15-20lbs in a month people are gonna believe what they want regardless if your telling them you got something at GNC. Guess what? The only people that shun the use of roids are usually ignorant, uninformed people who are probably just jealous. Also the feds won't beat down your door if you have 2 vials of Test or something like that. The only time you gotta worry is if your running some sort of underground lab. If alot of folks saw this bit they would probably have a different outlook on steroids.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

 

[Brian5225]

But see, most people haven't seen that, and don't want to believe it regardless. They wish everything is the way ESPN and other magazines have told them. When you're using SD or something, just don't tell em'. And if they find out, it's some supplement that you bought legally. Plus, remember, gains are all about the diet and the genes remember?

 

[RoidGracie]

That video makes me want to go pop another H-Drol and piss on those bureaucrats.

 

[kbtoy31]

Yea that was a good video and if the gov't would just take a look at the studies and the medical info on 'roids it may be different. That's if there wasn't so much political B.S. behind the reasons of making them illegal. Then you get situations like me, I was 16 years old didn't know any better, didn't know I shouldn't be taking themn at all at that age didn't have a clue as to what PCT was. And I still see a lot of H.S. kids doin the stuff b/c same thing don't know any better. There's no one telling them why they shouldn't be taking them. All they know is it'll make them bigger and stronger. And the fact is if steroids were regulated and sold legally in the U.S. would it stop that, doubt it, however I def. believe it would help greatly. Christ I just wish I had had a place like this to turn to when I was that age, so when I asked a question about steroids they'd be like"Dumbass you shouldn't even be thinking about that yet,just wait till you're older"

 

[pantera101]

Also the feds won't beat down your door if you have 2 vials of Test or something like that. The only time you gotta worry is if your running some sort of underground lab.

I'm not worried about the feds beating down my door.I'm worried about getting pulled over on the way home for broken tail light,or even the cops looking for a suspicious vehicle that matches the description of mine.Or being in an accident and then they find it.Or the cops watching the dealers house,pulling people over so they get enough evidence that the people are selling,so they can convince the judge to grant them a search warrant.Theirs literally thousands,if not millions of ways you get pulled over and searched.I know it's not likely to happen,but it does.My uncle started smoking pot at 11.He's mid upper thirties,and has had a parafanelia ticket.You pay the fine,it's done.I started at 13 and got busted with pot at 15.Some make a habit of drinking and driving,and never get caught or wreck.Others kill someone and go to prison.It's all a gamble when you break the law.I have won so many more times than lost,but i have lost way too many times.

 

[Indiana Jones]

Does anybody here know or know of somebody who got arrested for gear ?

 

[pantera101]

Does anybody here know or know of somebody who got arrested for gear ?

I don't,but that doesn't matter when you're waiting to see if you can make bail or not.You can look at county criminal records on the internet.I believe you used to type in offense,and they would show.Last time i went,i didn't see that option though.You could only type in first and last name.

 

[LakeMountD]

Those are both terrible reasons actually, lmfao.

1. Have a chemist test your PH....see if it matches label claims. There is no quality assurance measures in the designer steroid industry. I've seen numerous batches not match label claims...even PA has shown this industry to be shady.

2. "Roids are illegal" - the only good point you made

3. You can purchase things on the black market, use them and get results and know they are legit (if you have experience). Also with powders you can test melting points. AND at one point there was even a lab you could have test your gear (closed but I believe there are still options)...

PA is hardly a person I would trust when it comes to analytical chemistry. Considering the incorrect testing methods used on our product. I guess my opinion is biased.

I do agree there needs to be something done in the industry, trust me I do. But one of the main problems that I am seeing is that a lot of companies ARE testing their products and the problem is on the testing end. There are too many companies out there who throw it on a GCMS, give it the thumbs up, and pass it right on through as if they compared it to a standard. There is no standard for A LOT of these compounds. You can never predict how a compound will react. Heck using some well known physical equations you can predict a compounds absorption bands. The only problem is it doesn't always agree with the experimental value.

This is why we moved to Dr. Lykissa. With a PhD in forensic toxicology and numerous labs throughout the US you just can't go wrong. His prices are near identical to other labs. He tests for the government as well and appears often before a grand jury to testify.

 

[RedwolfWV]

Does anybody here know or know of somebody who got arrested for gear ?

I do. And he deserved it. He was selling to high school kids.

 

[whitedevil74]

Even though I disagree with the law (I think steroids should be legal to sell to adults) I am not that keen on committing felonies. The penalties are no different if you were caught with heroin, meth, cocaine, or steroids.

Muscles are just not worth me violating the law.

 

[whitedevil74]

Does anybody here know or know of somebody who got arrested for gear ?

yep
http://www.whas11.com/justposted/stories/020108whasjdtopstorybody.7e0732ad.html

 

[utvol]

Even though I disagree with the law (I think steroids should be legal to sell to adults) I am not that keen on committing felonies. The penalties are no different if you were caught with heroin, meth, cocaine, or steroids.

Muscles are just not worth me violating the law.

Steroids are different than all those drugs you stated. They are a class III controlled substance and possession of steroids for personal use is not a felony.

 

[TheNoid]

Does anybody here know or know of somebody who got arrested for gear ?

Yes, distribution not use. Group of three, one was dishonorably discharged and in jail. The second got off completely free. And no idea about the third, havent seen him since it went down.

 

[kbtoy31]

Steroids are different than all those drugs you stated. They are a class III controlled substance and possession of steroids for personal use is not a felony.

OH yeaH? It depends on the laws in whatever state you live in also. Because if you get caught with it, it's Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance. And depending on the laws in your state,circumstances,and whatever the cops feel like charging you with, you can be charged with a Felony possession. Now I'm not saying you will def. get caught, just everyone be careful with whatever dirt you're doing.

 

[Champ]

My only reason for choosing a PS over AS the initial leap of ordering from a source online. For me its the paranoia of getting a knock on my door from the mail lady and two guys with narco coats ready to push my sh*t in.

I've pinned myself in the quad with B12 with my the assistance my sister and it broke the fear of using needles. Needles are no longer a hang up for me.

3rd and last of all is because of bp issues. With the suggestions here of "on cycle" supplements to combat the issues of increased bp, this is no longer an issue although I plan on having blood work done as well as have my bp checked regularly.

As far as the risk go on legality issues. I'm 50/50 on it. I like to think that my use of AS is not worth the hassle of coming after one individual. An individual who has no intentions of redistributing for the sale of said items but for personal use.

Just my 2cents worth.

 

[utvol]

My only reason for choosing a PS over AS the initial leap of ordering from a source online. For me its the paranoia of getting a knock on my door from the mail lady and two guys with narco coats ready to push my sh*t in.

I've pinned myself in the quad with B12 with my the assistance my sister and it broke the fear of using needles. Needles are no longer a hang up for me.

3rd and last of all is because of bp issues. With the suggestions here of "on cycle" supplements to combat the issues of increased bp, this is no longer an issue although I plan on having blood work done as well as have my bp checked regularly.

As far as the risk go on legality issues. I'm 50/50 on it. I like to think that my use of AS is not worth the hassle of coming after one individual. An individual who has no intentions of redistributing for the sale of said items but for personal use.

Just my 2cents worth.

If you order overseas and get a seizure letter in the mail from customs just ignore it and theres nothing they can do. They won't beat down your door or anything. Submit proof you got a seizure letter to where you ordered from and most legit sources will resend your stuff at no additional charge.

 

[LilPsychotic]

AAS have been known to produce the following side effects:

- a felony conviction
- loss of job/career/income
- loss of family, spouse, girlfriend, friends
- loss of freedom
- societal stigma
- fear of the unknown in ways unrelated to the use of the steroid...especially pertaining to "Oh my gawd the place I bought from was busted what does that mean for my exposed butt?"..."is this international order going to be a controlled delivery?"..."what's a custom's seizure letter?"

Test may be best but Superdrol will save your @sshole.

Yeah, I agree. I have a much easier time with my wife condoning "supplement use" than "steroid abuse". See the difference. I just try to keep it as safe and legit as possible.

 

[LilPsychotic]

OH yeaH? It depends on the laws in whatever state you live in also. Because if you get caught with it, it's Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance. And depending on the laws in your state,circumstances,and whatever the cops feel like charging you with, you can be charged with a Felony possession. Now I'm not saying you will def. get caught, just everyone be careful with whatever dirt you're doing.

Yeah, I would lose my job, license, and family which would not be good. I'd rather do a cycle of epi once a year.

 

[pantera101]

I don't see why people keep bringing up the feds beating down your door.Thats the last thing to be scared of if using steroids for personal use.It's getting caught with the roids that you need to be scared of.I never hear people saying i hope the cops don't bust down our door cause we smoke pot.It's stop at the stop signs,use your blinker,drive the speed limit,lets go home to drop this off first,don't want to be pulled over with this on us.

 

[Champ]

If you order overseas and get a seizure letter in the mail from customs just ignore it and theres nothing they can do. They won't beat down your door or anything. Submit proof you got a seizure letter to where you ordered from and most legit sources will resend your stuff at no additional charge.

Right on. Thanks for the insight.

 

[RoidGracie]

I would think the only time to sweat is the time between placing the order and the time you got it inside your front door.

 

[pantera101]

I would think the only time to sweat is the time between placing the order and the time you got it inside your front door.

I have heard of having an under cover cop deliver the package.Once you sign for it it's yours,then your busted.I have just heard thats one way of them getting you.Obvisouly they have to know what it is first.What i'm reffering to though,is the drive home from the gym or dealers house.If i used the real thing,thats how i would get it,not off the damn internet.Your risking getting ripped off,or tracked.Be friends with the big dude at the gym.The guy that is absolutely no doubt about it juicing.Mine doesn't have one.I did have a guy bring them up when talking about ph's,but he just said he would rather come across the real thing.

 

[Beau]

My reason for not choosing an AS is due mostly my lacking a trusted source.

 

[RoidGracie]

When you sign for it, you could say "really, I wasn't expecting anything, is this some kind of joke or did I win some kind of prize? Well, it has my name on it so I guess I'll just have to see what it is." I don't think most would want anything delivered to their door, I would imagine there would be some type of PO Box for that purpose and a delivery method that did not require a signature. I don't know, I don't do these bad things myself.

 

[sportsbro21]

If you order overseas and get a seizure letter in the mail from customs just ignore it and theres nothing they can do. They won't beat down your door or anything. Submit proof you got a seizure letter to where you ordered from and most legit sources will resend your stuff at no additional charge.

do you have personal experience with this or did you just hear that from someone? not trying to bash you just curious

 

[pantera101]

do you have personal experience with this or did you just hear that from someone? not trying to bash you just curious

I have heard the letter is asking you to come down there so they can get your permission to open it.Just what i heard.x2 on that question utvol!

 

[slow-mun]

do you have personal experience with this or did you just hear that from someone? not trying to bash you just curious

You get a letter informing you that that the product is illegal to import into the United States without a prescription and that it will be destroyed, unless you can provide legal proof for obtaining it. If you ignore this letter, then you are fine, b/c they don't have any proof that you did anything, except have a controlled substance mailed to you(doesn't mean that you intended for this to happen or that you ordered anything). Now, as long as its a small amount, you should be fine. A large amount would likely raise some red flags. I may have had this happen before at a previous address.

 

[BigLester]

I was reading earlier in the forum and someone said most people have probably not taken a real prohormone are all of these clones coming out on the market not real PH's? Like Havoc and M drol... ect.

 

[slow-mun]

I was reading earlier in the forum and someone said most people have probably not taken a real prohormone are all of these clones coming out on the market not real PH's? Like Havoc and M drol... ect.

Actually, prohormones require an enzymatic change within the body to become an AAS. Many people use the term "prohormone" incorrectly and put designer steroids within that same classification. This is in fact incorrect and misleading. Designer steroids require no enzymatic change to be become active and are already an AAS. Examples of prohormones still legal within the US are-

1, 4 Androstadiene-3, 17- Dione
19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione
3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one
Epihyroxyetioallocholan-17-one ethyl ester
4-hydroxyandrostenedione
DHEA
17aMethyl-4-Androstenediol
17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol

Examples of Designer Steroids still currently legal-

2a,3a Epithio-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstane
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol
2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol
17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
17-hydroxy-6-alpha-methyl-ethyletiocholan-3,20 diol and -dione
Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone
4-chlorodehydromethylandrost-4ene-3,17b-diol
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one

 

[BigLester]

Thank you very helpful, but wich one out of the two PS/PH are better for muscle building? and could you give the name of the product? Thanks again..

 

[Champ]

Thank you very helpful, but wich one out of the two PS/PH are better for muscle building? and could you give the name of the product? Thanks again..

There are multiple discussions as well as polls on this. Click here

 

[utvol]

do you have personal experience with this or did you just hear that from someone? not trying to bash you just curious

I have ordered overseas but I have never received a customs seizure letter. Theres nothing to sign for or at least with the source I get it from. Its usually just left in the mailbox or inside the storm door and never had any problems. Even if customs were to open my package they probably wouldn't do anything because its pretty discreet packaging and I'll leave it at that.

 

[pantera101]

I have ordered overseas but I have never received a customs seizure letter. Theres nothing to sign for or at least with the source I get it from. Its usually just left in the mailbox or inside the storm door and never had any problems. Even if customs were to open my package they probably wouldn't do anything because its pretty discreet packaging and I'll leave it at that.

I have crossed over,it's just a matter of when now. :woohoo:

 

[n87]

I have ordered overseas but I have never received a customs seizure letter...
I'll leave it at that.

Here's interesting info on "controlled deliveries" by feds:
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Controlled Deliveries.html

 

[pantera101]

Here's interesting info on "controlled deliveries" by feds:
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Controlled Deliveries.html

Thanks for the bring down.Now i think i'm back to it's not worth risking it now.

 

[BigLester]

Thanks Champ.

 

[pantera101]

Thanks Champ.

I see you have been let down toh well,i have three bottles of m-drol which is enough for 7-10/20/20 cycles,with 25 pills leftover.I also have a bottle of havoc,and three on the way.So 4 cycles their.Obvisouly i can buy more,and or use my imagintion on upcomming cycles. :twisted:

 

[utvol]

Like I said, my mail lady leaves it in my box or inside the storm door. Theres nothing to sign for but if somebody other than her knocks on my door with a package I think I'll figure out quick whats going on. I'm sure the feds aren't that focused on the guy who gets a few vials especially if they aren't sure what it is to begin with. They're looking for the folks who buy in bulk whether it's raw powder or gear itself and intend to distribute. I'm not saying that its not possible for them to do what the article said but I just highly doubt it. For them to set up a sting on a simple possession of a class III substance that probably won't get you anything but a fine would be a waste of their time. The seizure letter would probably be all you get in this case.

 

[neoborn]

It's not Steroids it's supplements, It's not Steroids it's TRT All better and everyone goes on their merry way

 

[Champ]

Like I said, my mail lady leaves it in my box or inside the storm door. Theres nothing to sign for but if somebody other than her knocks on my door with a package I think I'll figure out quick whats going on. I'm sure the feds aren't that focused on the guy who gets a few vials especially if they aren't sure what it is to begin with. They're looking for the folks who buy in bulk whether it's raw powder or gear itself and intend to distribute. I'm not saying that its not possible for them to do what the article said but I just highly doubt it. For them to set up a sting on a simple possession of a class III substance that probably won't get you anything but a fine would be a waste of their time. The seizure letter would probably be all you get in this case.

You bring up an interesting point. Two things. Does the shipper require a signature? Second, would the amount, lets say one satchet of Test E be worth the manpower and effort to kick down the door of a recreational user?

 

[utvol]

You bring up an interesting point. Two things. Does the shipper require a signature? Second, would the amount, lets say one satchet of Test E be worth the manpower and effort to kick down the door of a recreational user?

No the shipper does not require a signature although I have heard of some sources that give you the option but not mine. And no I don't think 1 sachet or even 20 sachets would be worth their time. There were many federal agencies that never wanted possession of steroids to be illegal to begin with such as the DEA and AMA. In my personal opinion the only reason it was ever made illegal is because it is harmful to young people who are still growing and haven't achieved their natural potential. Also because of professional sports. MLB should have been doing the right thing from the start instead of letting everything get to this point. Sure other sports have guys who use steroids and try to get away with it but at least there is a system in place to try and catch them. Baseball chose to turn the other cheek until it was too late.