thank you Ziquor. an Boxman or dont have the slightest clue as to whether or not im ready for a cycle. u are basing that off of my knowlegede of produts. im not discounting your knowlege by any means, but truthfully you can not tell if someone is ready or not to take steroids, let alone anything for that matter just by reading some posts they write and by the questions they ask. I have been lifting for a log time no with a lot of great trainers. I played at the division 1 level for baseball and football for 3 years. I could never use supplements of that nature for the duration of my competition there as well as playing minor leauge baseball. but due to an injury i am no longer taking that route in life. I have been lifting for a year now post sports and have tried a handful of supplemsnts, but none seem to give me the results that they say they will. obviosuly im not as naive as one might thenink and i never expected it to work like the 1 in 10,000 that get the outrageous result, but i was hoping for a little more then what i got. i know my diet isnt the best diet out there by any means and that is something i could use some help on, but i really feel that i am ready to take the next step. as i said before, i dont feel you or anyone else can tll if im ready for a cycle of anything like that. the reason i came to this site was to get some info from some knowledgeabe sources and so far its been great. whether or not people want to knock me for my lack of knowledge, if i knew as much as i wanted to know i wouldnt be on this site. and as for the so called research i did regarding what i found on mass nutrition, that was just something i came across and it sounded like something comprable to th other products i had asked about. thats all, see i dont understad the lingo in some of the product descriptions and i absolutly dont know all of the compunds and sientific thought that goes with it. thats why i came here, and i hope you guys can help out i a ay that is helpful, rather then saying im not ready. let me find that out, like Ziquor said, im sure we have all been hard headed in the past and did things that were questionable. either way I thank the both of you and the rest of the members that chime in and I hope to get some more help from you guys.