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    OK Guys been doing my research for about 2 months and I finally decide to start a cycle of Phera Plex with a small dose of Superdrol thrown in every day. It was going to look like this:

    week 1: 10mg PP, 2.5mg superdrol
    week 2: 20mg PP, 5mg superdrol
    week 3: 20mg PP, 10mg SD
    week 4: 20-30mg PP, depending on how I was feeling

    While on cycle I'm taking:
    Cycle Support from AI twice a day
    5-10g fish oils per day
    additional milk thistle
    Multi-vitamin 3x per day
    3-5g bulk cissus per day
    I think I am going to add something else for cholesterol (any suggestions?).
    Also considering adding additional B vitamins, and then will have some other stuff on hand in case I need to address certain issues.

    I always get at least my bodyweight in protein per day and its going to be 1.5g+/lb this month, calorie intake has been low lately but Im going to really bump it up for this cycle as well.

    post cycle therapy is looking like this:
    Nolvadex, Retain, Activate, ADT

    I was going to add the Powerfull/Cissus stack in there for post cycle therapy as well, what do you guys think? Also since this cycle isnt very suppressive do you think I need the ADT or should the Nolva/Retain/Activate be ok? I def want the Activate because My Libido was so rock bottom before coming into this cycle, if it stays that way I will kill myself. I dont understand why it was so low either Ive never done anything before and Im only 24...

    My starting stats are 24 years old 6'3" 218 lbs with an estimated 15% BF on day 1. Ive been lifting off and on for about 8 years and just got really serious about everything 8 months ago. Up until this cycle I have been doing a fairly regular workout with cardio 3-5 times per week and moderate intensity, moderate weight, moderate volume on the iron. During this cycle Im going to really decrease the volume and increase the amount of weight.

    Max Bench: 245 x 3
    Max deadlift 275 x 5
    Max Squat 255 x 4 (just started doing squats again after awhile)

    I've never done any real anabolics before so im really psyched. Lets get it started.

    Day 1: 218 lbs
    Took my first 10mg of Methyl Plex with breakfast and I split up 1 Methyl Drol capsule into 4 parts and dumped 1/4 of it into my protein/Cycle support/cissus shake.

    Legs and Shoulders in the gym were pretty much exactly the same as last week, nothing to report differently.

    Started to increase caloric intake, my body isnt used to this many calories.

    Day 2: 223 lbs! (however this was weighing myself at the end of the day vs beginning of day 1, so Im not counting it at all)
    Took 10mg of MP and 1/4 capsule of MD in my shake again this morning. I felt really good today like I havent in awhile and sex drive already seems to be doing better. This is great because my libido was so hurt it was depressing me. I felt pretty tired most of the afternoon even though I had got about 8 hours of sleep.

    Chest / Tris
    Tiredness went away after I took some NO Xplod but that didnt help the gym.
    Benched 245 x 3 again, 205 on the incline bench is actually less than last week.
    flat bench dumb bells: 65 x 10, 70 x 6, 75 x 5

    Lying tricep extensions: 25 x 10, 30 x 8, 35 x5
    cable pulldowns: 7 x 10, 8 x 10, 9 x 8
    close grip bench (smith machine): 45+10 either side x 10, 45+25 either side x 8

    Felt tired/weak so I cut the workout short.

    Calories were up extremely high today protein leading the way as far as ratios go.

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    Dude, get some Taurine!!!

    Superdrol at 10mg gave me brutal lower back pumps!!!

    It can't hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klugman
    Dude, get some Taurine!!!

    Superdrol at 10mg gave me brutal lower back pumps!!!

    It can't hurt.
    Yea the back pumps are something I was was getting ready for, I work for GNC so I have all these sups available to me on a daily basis. Ill pick up some Taurine tomorrow.

    Im hitting the gym right now and will post a day 3 summary later.
    Thanks for the tips, keep em coming.
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    ~220.5 lbs

    Got up a little late today but took 10mg Methyl plex and 1/4 worth of a methyl drol @ noon with my protein shake and breakfast.
    Back / Bi at the gym today:
    Hammer curl: 45 x 8, 50 x 5, x 4
    seated preacher barbell: 65 x 10, 75 x 6, 85 x 4, x 3
    standing preacher dumbell: 30 x 10, 40 x 7, 45 x 5

    Dead lift: 225x8 275x6, 315x2 (forgot my straps so probably coulda done 1 or 2 more @ 3 plates)
    standing barbell row, smith machine: 105 x 10, 155 x 9, 175 x 6
    Seated lat pulldowns: 120 x 10, 130 x 9, 140 x 6
    Kneeling dumb bell rows: 65 x 10, 70 x 8, 75 x 7

    Maybe noticed a little more strength in back but nothing super, Bis didnt seem to get any better since last week.
    So as far as these back pumps go could someone describe them a little better. Today for the first time my lower back felt a lot tighter than usual and this was as soon as I got out of bed in the AM. Its persisted throughout the day so far, would this be what you guys are calling the pump from Superdrol?

    Some other thoughts: Going to definitely keep up the less volume with heavier weights for the rest of the month, as I think it is a good change from what I was doing.

    Feeling of well being is still persisting and as I mentioned that is definitely a change from how I had been feeling for the previous week or two, and Libido seems to still be doing good. No noticeable differences in my ball size yet. I think I may start the extra 10mg of Plex sooner than week 2 as it seems a lot of people started out right at 20mg per day and I am a pretty big guy so I think I can handle it. Methyl drol will stay at 2.5g per day for another couple days though at least.
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    Day 4 was an off day but I def upped the dose of methyl plex to 20 mg per day, one in the AM one in the PM. Methyl Drol is upped to about 3mg / day now. Does anyone know if this stuff is better to take on an empty stomach or with food, I have heard both and not sure about the fat solubility of it.

    Day 5
    224 lbs at the gym, but it was at the end of the day again. Calorie intake remains high so Im saying this is a solid 1 lb gain so far at least, muscle or fat is still to be determined.

    Arms day
    Hammer curls: 40x10, 45x8, 50x5
    Seated incline curls: 25x10, 30x8, 35x6
    Standing bumb bell preacher: 35x10, 40x7, 45x5
    Standing olympic barbell curl: 65x10, 85x8, 105x5

    skull crushers: (elbow kills on these) ez curl bar+30 lbs x 10, + 50 lbs x 10, x 9
    overhead one arm dumb bell extensions: 25x10, 30x8, 35x5
    overhead two arm extensions: 60x10, 65x10, 70x9
    inverted cable pulldowns: 6x10, 7x10, 8x8

    I didnt notice any strength gains yet and the numbers seem to represent that. I have noticed that Im sleeping much more and seem to be semi tired in the afternoons when I didnt used to be. Im hoping next week the gains will really start kicking in as I give each muscle group its second go round this cycle.

    I started taking Flax seed today and 100mg B vitamin complex which Im gonna take a couple times a day for energy and to help with cholesterol (niacin). We'll see how this goes.

    Oh yea Im doing like 2-4g bulk cissus a day or an estimated, anyone know how long that stuff takes to start working really? My joints seem a little drier than usual and my one elbow that always hurts on tris is getting bad as weights increase.
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    Red yeast rice is highly recommended while usinf Superdrol. Superdrol screws your lipids levels very badly. Policonasol and garlic may also be helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by william3162
    Red yeast rice is highly recommended while usinf Superdrol. Superdrol screws your lipids levels very badly. Policonasol and garlic may also be helpful.
    he's on AI Cycle Support which has that in it.
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    this is in the wrong section too btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalh
    Day 4 was an off day but I def upped the dose of methyl plex to 20 mg per day, one in the AM one in the PM. Methyl Drol is upped to about 3mg / day now. Does anyone know if this stuff is better to take on an empty stomach or with food, I have heard both and not sure about the fat solubility of it.
    The methyl makes how you take the pills irrelevant. I got calf pumps running at 15 mgs of superdrol, but I was also taking 1-AD. No back pump problems. Most people do not have trouble with back pumps until they get to 20mgs or higher superdrol. At 7.5 mg of PP and 2.5 mgs of superdrol twice a day, I felt great and turned into insane flirt. Good luck.
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    Day 8 225 lbs!
    Chest / Tris
    Lemme preface todays workout by saying strength was up all around. Definitely noticed it for the first time this cycle, I love it. Libido is also doing extremely well and I just feel great in general.

    flat bench: 185x10, 225x7, 245x4, 275x2 (275 was more or less just to see if I could do it, had minimal but noticeable help from a spotter on the second rep)
    incline bench: 165x10, 185x8, 205x6 x4 ( i hate incline)
    flat dumbell press: 65x10, 70x9, 75x8
    incline dumbell: 55x10, 60x10, 65x8
    flat flys: 35x10, 40x10, 45x8

    seated 1 arm extensions: 25x10, 30x8, 35x6
    close grip bench(smith machine): 45 each side x10, 45+10 x 10, 45+25x7, x5
    single arm inverted cable pulldowns: 3x10, 4x9, 5x6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf
    The methyl makes how you take the pills irrelevant. I got calf pumps running at 15 mgs of superdrol, but I was also taking 1-AD. No back pump problems. Most people do not have trouble with back pumps until they get to 20mgs or higher superdrol. At 7.5 mg of PP and 2.5 mgs of superdrol twice a day, I felt great and turned into insane flirt. Good luck.
    Yea I feel awesome day in and day out, im at 10mg PP (well Methyl Plex but more or less the same thing) and 2.5mg Methyl Drol twice a day right now and its awesome. Insane flirt I would say is pretty accurate Werewolf, and libido is off the wall. Strength gains are really coming this week now too. I love this stuff!

    Hey PistonPump, sorry man what did you mean this is the wrong place for this? You mean my thread/log is in the wrong area if so sorry man, and can I or someone else move it for that matter?

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    Probably should be in "cycle info"

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    Day 9 229 lbs! (damn, Im measuring at the end of the day almost daily now but that is still nearly 7 lbs since I started. Im pretty sure most of it is muscle as Im def cutting up and gaining barely any fat)

    Was gonna be shoulders and legs but I hit only shoulders:
    Dumbell press: 55x10, 60x10, 65x10, 70x7 (this was insane and I felt strong/kept great form)
    Behind the head smith machine military press: one 45 each sidex10, 45+10x10, 45+25x7
    smith machine shrugs: 1 45x10, 45+25x10, 45+25+10x10, 2 45sx8
    smith upright rows: 25 each sidex10, 45x9, 45+10x6
    Dumbell shrugs: 55x10, 60x10, 65x10, 70x8

    I called it after that as I was pressed for time but my energy/endurance was great and I really wanted to do more. Strength is really up and each set felt awesome. I think I should have gone heavier on a lot of these because I dont like consecutive sets of 10 reps on most exercises but Im feeling this workout still and I think it was real productive. Focused on form more than ever for shoulders exercises too.

    Really going to try to up the calorie intake, but man is it hard. I think I hit about 4000 everyday however I should be shooting for 6000+ I feel. Its funny Ive always been overweight my whole life until this year so my body isnt used to trying to take in more calories than its supposed, ive always tried to keep calories to a minimum. Thank god for weight gainers!!
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    I was feeling sick for a couple days so my schedule got ****ed up and I only trained every other day or so, however Strength is noticeably up all around and Im really looking bigger.

    Day 15 230 lbs
    Shoulders: I was throwing the weight around for shoulders today, strength way up.
    Dumbell press: 65x10, 70x9, 75x8
    behind the head smith presses: 45 ea sidex10, 45+25x10, 2 45sx9
    upright row smith machine: 25 ea sidex10, 25+10x9, 45x7
    smith shrugs: 45 each sidex10, 45+25x10, 2 45sx10
    dumbell shrugs: 65x10, 70x10, 75x8
    forward lateral raise with barbell: 45x10, 55x9, 65x8

    Did a forearm workout after that as well.

    Day 16 232 lbs!
    into week 3 now and like I said Strength is really up, and people are commenting everywhere I go, Both people I know and strangers. Calories have really been up lately as well, even though protein probably hasnt been as high as it should be the last couple days Im getting 1g/lb at least but I should be getting more.

    Chest day: (was gonna be chest and Tris but my Tris are still sore from Arms day sunday)
    flat bench: 185x10, 225x9, 245x5, 275 (once entirely on my own)
    Incline bench: 135x10, 185x10, 205x8, 225x5
    flat barbell press: 65x10, 70x8, 75x7
    decline smith machine: 45 each sidex10, 45+25x10, 2 45sx9
    decline dumbbell flys: 40x10, 50x10
    and then I messed around on the cables for about 4 sets not worth mentioning.

    I should post up some pictures soon because my entire upper body is really coming along nice except for my chest. I think im sitting at about 15% or so bodyfat but Ive always had man boobs I think extra tissue from gyno during puberty maybe? I dont know but its so annoying because I get no definition in my pecs and still have extra fat up there. My waist is down to a 34 and I really have little ab fat even though on a good day only the very tops of my abs are visible. I dont understand it, I know there are no sides from anything Im taking yet this is just an issue that always bothers me, does anyone know if anything im doing now or during post cycle therapy might help this or if it will go away as I get my BF% down really low or is something like cosmetic surgery the only cure?

    Thanks I really appreciate the feedback and advice.
    The log will stay more updated throughout the rest of this cycle, did anyone look into moving this into the proper forum for me? I cant believe I was so dumb as to start it here and not in the Cycle one...
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    W/o trying to be a **** I feel I should mention that because what gains you have are lean, they aren't muscle. They are the result of an increased glucose uptake in skeletal muscle, now over the course of this time your body will synthesize this into muscle, but for now it isn't. Something to initiate this process in PCT might be something to consider (see CLA, or even better USP Labs Cialabol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    W/o trying to be a **** I feel I should mention that because what gains you have are lean, they aren't muscle. They are the result of an increased glucose uptake in skeletal muscle, now over the course of this time your body will synthesize this into muscle, but for now it isn't. Something to initiate this process in post cycle therapy might be something to consider (see CLA, or even better USP Labs Cialabol)
    Roger that man, I know these gains arent solid muscle mass and I dont expect to keep 100% of what im putting on right now Im just merely tracking weight/strength throughout my log and Im surprised at it thus far. I really couldnt be happier with a first cycle and am glad I chose these products. Now a question which all my jealous friends keep asking or trying to knock me on is how much of the strength and muscle gains is it possible to keep from these two compounds? I plan on doing a very thorough and comprehensive PCT which I already have all the necessary products for and will post soon to get more opinions, but is it safe to bet I will keep nearly all strength gains and a good amount of the weight will turn into muscle?

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    That's dependent on you man, and what your Post Cycle is going to entail, but also on the products. Keep in mind that Superdrol is a DHT derivetive so in some people the gains slip away, albeit slowly in some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    That's dependent on you man, and what your Post Cycle is going to entail, but also on the products. Keep in mind that Superdrol is a DHT derivetive so in some people the gains slip away, albeit slowly in some people.
    spell check. caught ya for the first time. lol
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    i see you deadlift, but why no squats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    i see you deadlift, but why no squats?
    Ive been squatting this whole cycle, is it not in my log? Meh it should be, I did 275 5 times or so I think last legs day, Ill be hitting it again tomorrow I think so Ill let you know!

    WOW I didnt even log any of my Legs days yet. Seriously I was feeling ****ty for awhile there and missed a few days as you can tell and some days Im so tired from one of these that I dont even want to sit in front of the computer. Anyone know if its the SD or PP which makes me so whooped, it sets in about 4-6pm every day and is hard to overcome usually.
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    Day 18: 232 lbs still
    This was one of the first days since this cycle started that I didnt feel 110% in the gym. Even when I was feeling sick I still was feeling awesome in the gym, but today I was lagging for some reason and I really didnt feel like superman as I have been the rest of the cycle. It didnt help I drank a Redline AND NO Xplod before the gym, Ive done this before and it ****ed me up and today was the same thing. I was out of breath after all heavy lifts and my heart was going 12412124 MPH.

    Back-
    Dead lifts: 135x10 for warmup, 225x4, 225x8, 275x5
    (was having problems with my grip, forearms really were giving out and I wasnt able to focus, not hitting 315 really depresses me since I have before)
    Wide grip cable pulldowns: 130x10, 140x8, 150x6
    bent over smith rows: 45 ea sidex10, 45+10x8, 45+25x6
    inverted incline flies: 30x10, 35x8, 40x6
    wide grip seated rows: 80x10, 90x10, 100x10 (went light as it was a trial run)
    Sled assisted pullups: 3 sets of 15, various grips
    Lat pulldown machine: 90x10, 110x10, 130x10 (also first time on this machine, really like it tho and its going to become part of my routine since my lats are lagging behind most other body parts)

    Overall I was not happy today. Strength is still noticeably up on some exercises but Im pissed about deadlifts. I think I just had an offday today as I ****ed up in a few areas including the energy drinks and Calorie consumption prior to the gym.

    Im on my last few days of Superdrol and Ive upped it to 5mg twice/day now. Dono what thats gonna do other than F my liver more, but well see. I figured what the hell. Do you guys think I should stay at 20 mg PP for the last week or will I benefit from upping it by 5 or 10mg once the SD finishes?
    Also, Im going to post my PCT most likely tomorrow and I would like you guys to critique it please, I want to continue gains throughout PCT or at least keep as much as possible from this cycle. I mean Im def pleased with the results so far and if I can keep a lot of it Ill be pumped.

    Jay
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    superdrol and pp are basically dirty orals, that's why you are feeling so tired. i tried superdrol once and it was hell on earth, i didnt make it past week 3
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    superdrol and pp are basically dirty orals, that's why you are feeling so tired. i tried superdrol once and it was hell on earth, i didnt make it past week 3
    what were your doses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump
    what were your doses?

    20 and 30 i'm pretty sure of superdrol. i know a lot of guys who have been "on" for many years, and all of them think superdrol is a joke. you gain water quick and everyone thinks it's a godsend. the sides are too much and this is pretty much the only place on the internet where people think superdrol is the best thing since sliced bread. it's a dirty drug and just ends up hurting more than helping. if you're going to do some stuff, just do test
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    superdrol and pp are basically dirty orals, that's why you are feeling so tired. i tried superdrol once and it was hell on earth, i didnt make it past week 3
    Day 19: 234 lbs
    Today I felt pretty good at the gym, a little tired again but not as bad. I dropped the superdrol dose back down to 2.5mg/day and Tomorrow is going to be my last day anyways.

    Bis/Tris:
    Standing hammer curls: 40x10, 45x10, 50x8, 55x5
    Seated preacher ezbar curls: 25 each sidex10, 35x9, 45x5
    standing olympic bar curls: 10 ea side x10, 20x8, 30x6
    high cable curls: 40x10, 50x10, 60x8

    Seated single arm dumbell extensions: 30x10, 35x10, 40x8
    skull crushers ezcurl bar: 25 ea sidex10, 30x10, 35x10 (god these kills my elbow)
    close grip bench on smith machine: 45 ea sidex10, 45+25x10, 2 45sx8
    Cable pulldowns: 90x10, 100x10, 110x9

    I've had a minor breakout of acne on my face and back for the VERY first time since I started this cycle. I generally have always had some bacne in my life and my face is on and off been really good lately. However, for most of the cycle I would say both face and back had less acne than usual. Right now I got a minor breakout as I said dont know if its the juice or not.

    Really havent been as tired the past couple days since I stopped the higher doses of superdrol either. Coincidence or not its hard to tell, Im gonna ride out about 5-7.5mg of SD for the next two days and then drop it though. Probably finish out the last week of methyl plex @ 20-25mgs.

    Im on my way to the gym now but will post my planned PCT when I get back and log my legs workout. Not really sure what this guy above me is saying about dirty orals (maybe he doesnt like any orals in general) but Ive been really happy with this cycle so far. Strength and size gains as well as just the general way I feel are all great. What will really sell me is how much of the gains I keep throughout and after PCT. Otherwise I may just go for the real deal next time, but well see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalh
    Not really sure what this guy above me is saying about dirty orals (maybe he doesnt like any orals in general) but Ive been really happy with this cycle so far. Strength and size gains as well as just the general way I feel are all great. What will really sell me is how much of the gains I keep throughout and after PCT. Otherwise I may just go for the real deal next time, but well see.

    -J

    dirty meaning you get crazy sides from them. back pumps, lethargy, out of breath, loss of sex drive, stuff like that.
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    The lethagy is probably the total methyl load on your liver. Especially when backing down superdrol helps.

    I had put out before that I thought 0.1 mg of PP per lb was right dose and 0.08 mg of Superdrol per lb. When you take both you need adjust the other down by the percentage of the other.

    234lb x .08 = 18 mg superdrol

    10/18= 56% of recommended superdrol

    234lb x 0.1 = 23.4 x 44%= 10.2 mgs of PP (when taking 10 mgs of superdrol)

    Everybody is different, but a lot of people report problems when get very much above these levels.

    There seems to something almost magical to Superdrol at 20% to 25% ratio with PP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    dirty meaning you get crazy sides from them. back pumps, lethargy, out of breath, loss of sex drive, stuff like that.
    I understand what you were saying but I havent really experienced any of these yet other than the lethargy there which was better or worse some days, and seems to be fine @ 5-7.5 mg SD. Sex drive was actually up for the initial 2 weeks of my cycle but has seemed to normalize again right now. I have heard there is nothing like test for the libido though so obviously Methyls arent as good there.
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    Mullet:

    Why are you recommending CLA for post cycle?


    Anyone who knows:

    What does taurine do for back pumps? Does it get rid of them? I take 1-2g per day, and have gotten back pumps with SD and PP.

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    Day 20: ~230 lbs (weighed in the AM today tho...)
    Legs-
    Squats:185x10, 225x10, 275x7, 315x4
    45 degree leg press: 3 plates each sidex10, 4 platesx8, 5 platesx6
    seated extensions: 3 platesx10, 4 platesx9, 5 platesx6
    45 degree squat machine, feet real close together: 1 plate each sidex10, 2 platesx10, 3 platesx8
    then I did some lame inner and outer abductor machines, maybe because I was feeling really feminine today I dont know... LOL, do these do anything that other exercises dont? whatever...

    That is my highest squatting weight ever, finally a noticeabley stronger leg day since this cycle started. Even though it seems hard for me to get my legs to grow.

    Now would you guys critique my PCT please: I plan on going for 4 weeks:
    week 1: 60mg nolva, 3 capsules retain, 4 capsules Activate /day
    week 2: 45mg nolva, 3 cap retain, 5 Activate / day
    week 3: 30mg nolva, 3 cap retain, 4 Activate / day
    week 4: 15mg nolva, 3 retain, 3 Activate / day
    Now I have ADT too which I know some people suggest and others (Like Mulletsoldier) claim is unnecessary bc Superdrol will deplete estrogen anyways. However my question is does the PP make a difference on estrogen levels or is Estrogen going to be pretty low anyways and therefore not need an AI?

    Also I plan on continuing to use my other standard daily sups s well as the bulk cissus(What is a good dosage for this and time to take it BTW??) and adding a CEE product during PCT . However, do you guys think adding Powerfull will really help? Ive read a lot of good stuff about it and I want to keep my gains and continue to gain throughout PCT and beyond, is this product worth it along with the others I have?
    Keep in mind I plan on going into a non-steroidal cutting phase with something like the ALRI product line probably as soon as PCT is done around Dec. 1. Any comments on this and would anyone suggest product changes with this in mind?

    Is there anything else yall would suggest I add to my PCT or any other comments in general?
    Thanks a bunch I appreciate everyones input,
    -Jay
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner
    Mullet:

    Why are you recommending CLA for post cycle?


    Anyone who knows:

    What does taurine do for back pumps? Does it get rid of them? I take 1-2g per day, and have gotten back pumps with superdrol and PP.

    thanks,
    thesinner
    You need to be taking higher doses but Taurine helps blood pressure hence it will relieve the pumps in the back or other areas you experience them and it is even good for headaches and other BP related problems I have heard.

    Try 5+mg per day for the back pumps I've read, I never needed as I didnt experience any out of control back pumps during my run with SD this time.

    -Jay
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    An AI like ADT is capable of making your balls about twice normal size and testosterone output. Personnally I like really like big balls and lots of testosterone output. ADT can cause libido problems. Most people can handle 50 mgs with out libido issues especially if tapered in. My personnel favorite is 50 mgs of ADT and 1 Rebound Reloaded. If you taper in AI too soon or too fast then you crush your estrogen levels. Very low estrogen levels can result in lowered white blood cell and HDL levels. Very low estrogen levels can also result in libido issues. Best to tapering inverse to SERM. I don't recommend AI in the first 3 to 4 days if using a SERM. Let your testerone/estrogen levels start to raise before tapering in the AI.

    Toremifene is supposed to be much better than Nolva, but I will be taking my first dose tonight so I'm just repeating what other have said.

    Here is my log if want ideas for post cycle therapy. IGF-1R3 (oratrophin for me) can supercharge a PCT.

    What the heck is the old fart trying to prove with this crazy cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf
    An AI like ADT is capable of making your balls about twice normal size and testosterone output. Personnally I like really like big balls and lots of testosterone output. ADT can cause libido problems. Most people can handle 50 mgs with out libido issues especially if tapered in. My personnel favorite is 50 mgs of ADT and 1 Rebound Reloaded. If you taper in AI too soon or too fast then you crush your estrogen levels. Very low estrogen levels can result in lowered white blood cell and HDL levels. Very low estrogen levels can also result in libido issues. Best to tapering inverse to SERM. I don't recommend AI in the first 3 to 4 days if using a SERM. Let your testerone/estrogen levels start to raise before tapering in the AI.

    Toremifene is supposed to be much better than Nolva, but I will be taking my first dose tonight so I'm just repeating what other have said.

    Here is my log if want ideas for post cycle therapy. IGF-1R3 (oratrophin for me) can supercharge a post cycle therapy.

    What the heck is the old fart trying to prove with this crazy cycle?
    Yea I think I will run the ADT. I didnt buy the rebound reloaded because I thought they were pretty much the same product, but I guess slight differences really can change them..?
    I'll do some research on the Oratropin as I havent considered that yet. So any feedback on trying some of the NHA products like powerfull during the PCT, or is it best to wait until PCT is over for something like that? I've heard both arguments. Guess its just up to what I want to try really.

    Abs, forearms, calves day. Will write up later
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalh
    Yea I think I will run the ADT. I didnt buy the rebound reloaded because I thought they were pretty much the same product, but I guess slight differences really can change them..?
    I'll do some research on the Oratropin as I havent considered that yet. So any feedback on trying some of the NHA products like powerfull during the post cycle therapy, or is it best to wait until PCT is over for something like that? I've heard both arguments. Guess its just up to what I want to try really.

    Abs, forearms, calves day. Will write up later
    -Jay
    Powerful didn't do anything for me, but a lot of other people (especially younger) had very good results from it. ActivaTe works great on me.
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    Day 23 233.5 lbs
    I know for a fact this weekend was real bad for my nutrition habits. I didnt get enough protein or calories in general, and I was rather unhealthy in one other regard which I wont mention

    So anyways, Im not surprised weight isnt up at all hopefully that'll change today was real good on clean calories and a lot of protein again, body is finally rehydrating too.
    Chest:
    Flat Bench barbell: 185x10, 225x10, 245x6, 275x1 (one full rep no spotter, 3 total reps with very minimal help on the second one)
    incline barbell: 135x10, 185x10, 205x8, 225x6
    Flat bench dumbells: 65x10, 70x10, 75x10 (aww I max out the dumbells at my gym now )
    Cable flies, cable set real low: 40x10, 50x8, 60x6
    Incline dumbell flies: 40x10, 45x8, 50x6

    tris-
    Single arm inverted cable pulldowns: 30x10, 40x10, 50x8
    lieing single arm extensions: 30x10, 30x10, 35x8
    I attempted a set of kickbacks with 30s, but that head in my Tricep group is still really sore from either the bench workout today or arms day on last friday, dont know and dont care Im just happy im working all of the heads in that part of my arm.

    So strength is up and my triceps are finally really starting to develop. Theyre catching up to my biceps in weight. Chest Reps were def up on the lower amounts of weight, and I felt better about the one rep max 275, it was a really smooth and full/legit rep, with a couple assisted ones after. Im happy that Im still seeing gains on most exercises.

    I upped the dose of Mehtyl plex to 10mg 3x daily now. We'll see how this pans out but this will most likely be my last week as planned. Although Im looking better than ever now and I wan to stay on!! haha, I know its stupid though so Im looking to start PCT next week.

    -Jay
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    Oh I almost forgot I measured my Biceps today and they are up ~.5 inch since I started on both sides. Cant be happier and the comments from everyone I see keep coming about how big Ive gotten!!! Now if only I was a little more cut up and BF% was down Id be a lot happier with my physique. Oh well, you cant do everything at once and nothing happens overnight, Im happy with the bulking for now.

    -Jay
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    I would have expected your bench and other lifts to be much higher after this cycle. Any gain is still grand though. Heavier weights, less reps work wonders for me on this cycle
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    make sure you keep your protein up post cycle. you dont want to lose it all.
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    How are you splitting the doses of superdrol up? I have the AX Superdrol 10mg capsules. Are yours capsules and you are just cutting them in half or what? I am trying to figure this out as I am thinking about adding a low dose of SD to my PP cycle. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by shock
    How are you splitting the doses of superdrol up? I have the AX Superdrol 10mg capsules. Are yours capsules and you are just cutting them in half or what? I am trying to figure this out as I am thinking about adding a low dose of superdrol to my PP cycle. Thanks
    They pull apart easily. You can dump in a protien shake or get some gelatin caps. If you try to dump into gelatin caps, then opening over and dumping onto a small folded sheet of paper can help. I use a little doubled over tape to stick the gelatin caps to the side of a box for easy comparsion of dosing levels by eye ball.
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