Phera Plex / Superdrol Log
- 10-21-2006, 02:51 PM
- 10-21-2006, 04:27 PM
The lethagy is probably the total methyl load on your liver. Especially when backing down superdrol helps.
I had put out before that I thought 0.1 mg of PP per lb was right dose and 0.08 mg of Superdrol per lb. When you take both you need adjust the other down by the percentage of the other.
234lb x .08 = 18 mg superdrol
10/18= 56% of recommended superdrol
234lb x 0.1 = 23.4 x 44%= 10.2 mgs of PP (when taking 10 mgs of superdrol)
Everybody is different, but a lot of people report problems when get very much above these levels.
There seems to something almost magical to Superdrol at 20% to 25% ratio with PP.
10-21-2006, 06:17 PM
I understand what you were saying but I havent really experienced any of these yet other than the lethargy there which was better or worse some days, and seems to be fine @ 5-7.5 mg SD. Sex drive was actually up for the initial 2 weeks of my cycle but has seemed to normalize again right now. I have heard there is nothing like test for the libido though so obviously Methyls arent as good there.Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
10-21-2006, 06:51 PM
Why are you recommending CLA for post cycle?
Anyone who knows:
What does taurine do for back pumps? Does it get rid of them? I take 1-2g per day, and have gotten back pumps with SD and PP.
10-21-2006, 09:26 PM
Day 20: ~230 lbs (weighed in the AM today tho...)
Squats:185x10, 225x10, 275x7, 315x4
45 degree leg press: 3 plates each sidex10, 4 platesx8, 5 platesx6
seated extensions: 3 platesx10, 4 platesx9, 5 platesx6
45 degree squat machine, feet real close together: 1 plate each sidex10, 2 platesx10, 3 platesx8
then I did some lame inner and outer abductor machines, maybe because I was feeling really feminine today I dont know... LOL, do these do anything that other exercises dont? whatever...
That is my highest squatting weight ever, finally a noticeabley stronger leg day since this cycle started. Even though it seems hard for me to get my legs to grow.
Now would you guys critique my PCT please: I plan on going for 4 weeks:
week 1: 60mg nolva, 3 capsules retain, 4 capsules Activate /day
week 2: 45mg nolva, 3 cap retain, 5 Activate / day
week 3: 30mg nolva, 3 cap retain, 4 Activate / day
week 4: 15mg nolva, 3 retain, 3 Activate / day
Now I have ADT too which I know some people suggest and others (Like Mulletsoldier) claim is unnecessary bc Superdrol will deplete estrogen anyways. However my question is does the PP make a difference on estrogen levels or is Estrogen going to be pretty low anyways and therefore not need an AI?
Also I plan on continuing to use my other standard daily sups s well as the bulk cissus(What is a good dosage for this and time to take it BTW??) and adding a CEE product during PCT . However, do you guys think adding Powerfull will really help? Ive read a lot of good stuff about it and I want to keep my gains and continue to gain throughout PCT and beyond, is this product worth it along with the others I have?
Keep in mind I plan on going into a non-steroidal cutting phase with something like the ALRI product line probably as soon as PCT is done around Dec. 1. Any comments on this and would anyone suggest product changes with this in mind?
Is there anything else yall would suggest I add to my PCT or any other comments in general?
Thanks a bunch I appreciate everyones input,
10-21-2006, 09:28 PM
You need to be taking higher doses but Taurine helps blood pressure hence it will relieve the pumps in the back or other areas you experience them and it is even good for headaches and other BP related problems I have heard.Originally Posted by thesinner
Try 5+mg per day for the back pumps I've read, I never needed as I didnt experience any out of control back pumps during my run with SD this time.
10-21-2006, 10:00 PM
An AI like ADT is capable of making your balls about twice normal size and testosterone output. Personnally I like really like big balls and lots of testosterone output. ADT can cause libido problems. Most people can handle 50 mgs with out libido issues especially if tapered in. My personnel favorite is 50 mgs of ADT and 1 Rebound Reloaded. If you taper in AI too soon or too fast then you crush your estrogen levels. Very low estrogen levels can result in lowered white blood cell and HDL levels. Very low estrogen levels can also result in libido issues. Best to tapering inverse to SERM. I don't recommend AI in the first 3 to 4 days if using a SERM. Let your testerone/estrogen levels start to raise before tapering in the AI.
Toremifene is supposed to be much better than Nolva, but I will be taking my first dose tonight so I'm just repeating what other have said.
Here is my log if want ideas for post cycle therapy. IGF-1R3 (oratrophin for me) can supercharge a PCT.
What the heck is the old fart trying to prove with this crazy cycle?
10-22-2006, 11:13 AM
Yea I think I will run the ADT. I didnt buy the rebound reloaded because I thought they were pretty much the same product, but I guess slight differences really can change them..?Originally Posted by Werewolf
I'll do some research on the Oratropin as I havent considered that yet. So any feedback on trying some of the NHA products like powerfull during the PCT, or is it best to wait until PCT is over for something like that? I've heard both arguments. Guess its just up to what I want to try really.
Abs, forearms, calves day. Will write up later
10-22-2006, 05:41 PM
Powerful didn't do anything for me, but a lot of other people (especially younger) had very good results from it. ActivaTe works great on me.Originally Posted by Jaywalh
10-24-2006, 01:56 AM
Day 23 233.5 lbs
I know for a fact this weekend was real bad for my nutrition habits. I didnt get enough protein or calories in general, and I was rather unhealthy in one other regard which I wont mention
So anyways, Im not surprised weight isnt up at all hopefully that'll change today was real good on clean calories and a lot of protein again, body is finally rehydrating too.
Flat Bench barbell: 185x10, 225x10, 245x6, 275x1 (one full rep no spotter, 3 total reps with very minimal help on the second one)
incline barbell: 135x10, 185x10, 205x8, 225x6
Flat bench dumbells: 65x10, 70x10, 75x10 (aww I max out the dumbells at my gym now )
Cable flies, cable set real low: 40x10, 50x8, 60x6
Incline dumbell flies: 40x10, 45x8, 50x6
Single arm inverted cable pulldowns: 30x10, 40x10, 50x8
lieing single arm extensions: 30x10, 30x10, 35x8
I attempted a set of kickbacks with 30s, but that head in my Tricep group is still really sore from either the bench workout today or arms day on last friday, dont know and dont care Im just happy im working all of the heads in that part of my arm.
So strength is up and my triceps are finally really starting to develop. Theyre catching up to my biceps in weight. Chest Reps were def up on the lower amounts of weight, and I felt better about the one rep max 275, it was a really smooth and full/legit rep, with a couple assisted ones after. Im happy that Im still seeing gains on most exercises.
I upped the dose of Mehtyl plex to 10mg 3x daily now. We'll see how this pans out but this will most likely be my last week as planned. Although Im looking better than ever now and I wan to stay on!! haha, I know its stupid though so Im looking to start PCT next week.
10-24-2006, 01:58 AM
Oh I almost forgot I measured my Biceps today and they are up ~.5 inch since I started on both sides. Cant be happier and the comments from everyone I see keep coming about how big Ive gotten!!! Now if only I was a little more cut up and BF% was down Id be a lot happier with my physique. Oh well, you cant do everything at once and nothing happens overnight, Im happy with the bulking for now.
10-24-2006, 06:45 AM
I would have expected your bench and other lifts to be much higher after this cycle. Any gain is still grand though. Heavier weights, less reps work wonders for me on this cycle
10-24-2006, 08:42 AM
10-25-2006, 01:00 PM
How are you splitting the doses of superdrol up? I have the AX Superdrol 10mg capsules. Are yours capsules and you are just cutting them in half or what? I am trying to figure this out as I am thinking about adding a low dose of SD to my PP cycle. Thanks
10-25-2006, 01:51 PM
They pull apart easily. You can dump in a protien shake or get some gelatin caps. If you try to dump into gelatin caps, then opening over and dumping onto a small folded sheet of paper can help. I use a little doubled over tape to stick the gelatin caps to the side of a box for easy comparsion of dosing levels by eye ball.Originally Posted by shock
10-25-2006, 04:43 PM
10-26-2006, 12:37 AM
10-26-2006, 12:10 PM
well you definately have that **** down to a T. and you may not need it yet, but i'm sure you can find a doctor that will prescribe it to you. that way you are using clean anabolics which will lead to etter gains. plus your insurance shoudl cover it and that's less money out of your pocket.Originally Posted by Werewolf
10-26-2006, 01:36 PM
I am not convienced that HRT is better for someone is just slightly low than PGH-T and 1 Rebound Reloaded. Better to raise Natural HGH and testosterone with advantage of slightly lower estrogen. I think NHA cycles are actually better for you in the long run than trying to cheat up a TRT to be an anabolic cycle.Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
There comes a point if you are too low that you have no choice but to go to TRT.
10-29-2006, 02:07 PM
I didnt know what to expect as far as strength gains so Im happy with what Ive got there. Should there have been more? Maybe... I dont know but I've been happy with what I did gain as I was pretty much at a plateau for the previous 3 weeks without any anabolic supplements.Originally Posted by Irish_Rogue
I decided to end the cycle one day early, the high doses of PP were killing me with lethargy and I did finally experience some acne breakouts a little on my face but particularly back and chest. Ive had a problem with that my whole life so whether or not it was the PP is hard to tell.
I have to say overall Im very happy with this cycle though. I was feeling great most of the time while on, sex drive was pretty high and as mentioned strength and size gains were definitely noticeable.
To critique myself I defiinitely took a all out bulking approach opposed to conscientious (sp?) dieting. I was eating a lot of calories with a ton of protein most of the time however fat intake was a little too high. I may have gained half an inch or so on my waste as my belt fits a smidge tighter. Whether or not this affected my gains is hard to tell also since this was my first cycle.
In conclusion whether or not do I ever do another cycle of these type hormones is going to ultimately be decided over the next couple weeks during PCT. Seeing how PCT goes and what types of gains my body keeps will determine what my next cycle is. Im anxious to start playing with the big boys however after seeing the potential from this oral cycle.
I'll keep you all updated over the next couple weeks periodically.
In addition to my previously outlined PCT im going to add in some tribulus which I remembered I had lieing around. Also, I have about 30 capsules of 17HD from Vyotech. Would using this during PCT be beneificial? Detrimental? Anyone have any suggestions? I used it stand alone once before and I didnt think it did **** but its supposed to work on free testosterone so Im thinking it will help in PCT along with my other sups. Any input would be appreciated.
In addition, I always get at least 1g / lb of protein before this cycle and I plan to after, however Im going to really clean my diet back up for PCT and im going to go into a cutting phase shortly after. Since I put on some good size finally I want to see the potential of my physique not covered in a layer of body fat and I dont think I can wait til next spring
10-29-2006, 02:13 PM
I dont know much about the feedback on the 17HD and if is suppressive even a little bit, If you dont know much about it either than it would be wise to just wait until after the initial 3-5 week PCT (however long you plan on doing it) before you use it. IMO.Originally Posted by Jaywalh
10-29-2006, 05:00 PM
Agreed bro. Im going to forego it, last time I used it it sucked imo. Will stick with nolva/activate/atd/retain/tribulus.Originally Posted by pistonpump
Mainly legs at the gym today: 229 lbs. (was a morning weight)
Squats: 135 x10, 225x10, 315x7
45 degree press: 4 plates either side x10, 5 platesx8, 6 platesx6
then I did calves standing and seated. Felt a lot stronger.
PCT is going to start right now, Im looking forward to tasteing this liquid Tamoxifen ;p
I know this has been discussed a thousand times but I just tried looking for it again and couldnt find it, is the USP liquid tamoxifen citrate 20mg tamoxifen/ml or 20 mg/Tamoxifen citrate/ml? Pretty sure I read that its like 20mg tamox citrate, so in order to get the full 20mg dose you need to take 30mg or so. If anyone remembers I appreciate it.
10-29-2006, 06:46 PM
10-30-2006, 08:59 AM
it says 20mg/ml but doesnt list which one, and ive read some places certain companies do this to be sketchy. Without source posting im not sure how to specify which company it is so Im just takin the little bit extra to be safe.Originally Posted by pistonpump
10-31-2006, 07:33 PM
Day 3 of PCT: 232 lbs
Im taking 60ml Tamox citrate per day, along with 3 retain, 3 activate, and 2 ATD.
Strength seemed about normal, perhaps a little gain still. I did all exercises out of order and some exercises I dont usually do because the gym was so busy so its really hard to gauge.
After stopping the methyls the lethargy is definitely gone. Only thing Ive noticed about the PCT sups, and this may be in my head at this point (anyone think I should be experiencing this already?), but Libido seems to be down a lot! I was figuring the Activate, and tribulus should be countering the tamox in that area, but I dont know. Will need a couple more days for a full evaluation.
Ive cut down a little on the extra carbs/fat, but am maintaining at least 1.5g/lb of protein.
I'm going to up the activate to 4 pills a day next week and 5 during week 3. This sound about right or should I be starting them a lot higher you guys think? I figured Id taper in a little, and then taper off ending with the reccomended 4 a day during week 4 before stopping.
Mentally I've had a ****ty weekend and past couple days too so like I said a lot of stuff may be in my head and Im going to wait a bit longer before I give a formal evaluation of how I think PCT is going.
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