Phera Plex / Superdrol Log
10-19-2006 08:35 PM
Day 18: 232 lbs still
This was one of the first days since this cycle started that I didnt feel 110% in the gym. Even when I was feeling sick I still was feeling awesome in the gym, but today I was lagging for some reason and I really didnt feel like superman as I have been the rest of the cycle. It didnt help I drank a Redline AND NO Xplod before the gym, Ive done this before and it ****ed me up and today was the same thing. I was out of breath after all heavy lifts and my heart was going 12412124 MPH.
Dead lifts: 135x10 for warmup, 225x4, 225x8, 275x5
(was having problems with my grip, forearms really were giving out and I wasnt able to focus, not hitting 315 really depresses me since I have before)
Wide grip cable pulldowns: 130x10, 140x8, 150x6
bent over smith rows: 45 ea sidex10, 45+10x8, 45+25x6
inverted incline flies: 30x10, 35x8, 40x6
wide grip seated rows: 80x10, 90x10, 100x10 (went light as it was a trial run)
Sled assisted pullups: 3 sets of 15, various grips
Lat pulldown machine: 90x10, 110x10, 130x10 (also first time on this machine, really like it tho and its going to become part of my routine since my lats are lagging behind most other body parts)
Overall I was not happy today. Strength is still noticeably up on some exercises but Im pissed about deadlifts. I think I just had an offday today as I ****ed up in a few areas including the energy drinks and Calorie consumption prior to the gym.
Im on my last few days of Superdrol and Ive upped it to 5mg twice/day now. Dono what thats gonna do other than F my liver more, but well see. I figured what the hell. Do you guys think I should stay at 20 mg PP for the last week or will I benefit from upping it by 5 or 10mg once the SD finishes?
Also, Im going to post my PCT most likely tomorrow and I would like you guys to critique it please, I want to continue gains throughout PCT or at least keep as much as possible from this cycle. I mean Im def pleased with the results so far and if I can keep a lot of it Ill be pumped.
10-20-2006 12:19 PM
superdrol and pp are basically dirty orals, that's why you are feeling so tired. i tried superdrol once and it was hell on earth, i didnt make it past week 3
10-20-2006 08:11 PM
what were your doses?
Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
10-21-2006 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by pistonpump
20 and 30 i'm pretty sure of superdrol. i know a lot of guys who have been "on" for many years, and all of them think superdrol is a joke. you gain water quick and everyone thinks it's a godsend. the sides are too much and this is pretty much the only place on the internet where people think superdrol is the best thing since sliced bread. it's a dirty drug and just ends up hurting more than helping. if you're going to do some stuff, just do test
10-21-2006 01:35 PM
Day 19: 234 lbs
Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
Today I felt pretty good at the gym, a little tired again but not as bad. I dropped the superdrol dose back down to 2.5mg/day and Tomorrow is going to be my last day anyways.
Standing hammer curls: 40x10, 45x10, 50x8, 55x5
Seated preacher ezbar curls: 25 each sidex10, 35x9, 45x5
standing olympic bar curls: 10 ea side x10, 20x8, 30x6
high cable curls: 40x10, 50x10, 60x8
Seated single arm dumbell extensions: 30x10, 35x10, 40x8
skull crushers ezcurl bar: 25 ea sidex10, 30x10, 35x10 (god these kills my elbow)
close grip bench on smith machine: 45 ea sidex10, 45+25x10, 2 45sx8
Cable pulldowns: 90x10, 100x10, 110x9
I've had a minor breakout of acne on my face and back for the VERY first time since I started this cycle. I generally have always had some bacne in my life and my face is on and off been really good lately. However, for most of the cycle I would say both face and back had less acne than usual. Right now I got a minor breakout as I said dont know if its the juice or not.
Really havent been as tired the past couple days since I stopped the higher doses of superdrol either. Coincidence or not its hard to tell, Im gonna ride out about 5-7.5mg of SD for the next two days and then drop it though. Probably finish out the last week of methyl plex @ 20-25mgs.
Im on my way to the gym now but will post my planned PCT when I get back and log my legs workout. Not really sure what this guy above me is saying about dirty orals (maybe he doesnt like any orals in general) but Ive been really happy with this cycle so far. Strength and size gains as well as just the general way I feel are all great. What will really sell me is how much of the gains I keep throughout and after PCT. Otherwise I may just go for the real deal next time, but well see.
10-21-2006 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by Jaywalh
dirty meaning you get crazy sides from them. back pumps, lethargy, out of breath, loss of sex drive, stuff like that.
10-21-2006 04:27 PM
The lethagy is probably the total methyl load on your liver. Especially when backing down superdrol helps.
I had put out before that I thought 0.1 mg of PP per lb was right dose and 0.08 mg of Superdrol per lb. When you take both you need adjust the other down by the percentage of the other.
234lb x .08 = 18 mg superdrol
10/18= 56% of recommended superdrol
234lb x 0.1 = 23.4 x 44%= 10.2 mgs of PP (when taking 10 mgs of superdrol)
Everybody is different, but a lot of people report problems when get very much above these levels.
There seems to something almost magical to Superdrol at 20% to 25% ratio with PP.
10-21-2006 06:17 PM
I understand what you were saying but I havent really experienced any of these yet other than the lethargy there which was better or worse some days, and seems to be fine @ 5-7.5 mg SD. Sex drive was actually up for the initial 2 weeks of my cycle but has seemed to normalize again right now. I have heard there is nothing like test for the libido though so obviously Methyls arent as good there.
Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
10-21-2006 06:51 PM
Why are you recommending CLA for post cycle?
Anyone who knows:
What does taurine do for back pumps? Does it get rid of them? I take 1-2g per day, and have gotten back pumps with SD and PP.
10-21-2006 09:26 PM
Day 20: ~230 lbs (weighed in the AM today tho...)
Squats:185x10, 225x10, 275x7, 315x4
45 degree leg press: 3 plates each sidex10, 4 platesx8, 5 platesx6
seated extensions: 3 platesx10, 4 platesx9, 5 platesx6
45 degree squat machine, feet real close together: 1 plate each sidex10, 2 platesx10, 3 platesx8
then I did some lame inner and outer abductor machines, maybe because I was feeling really feminine today I dont know... LOL, do these do anything that other exercises dont? whatever...
That is my highest squatting weight ever, finally a noticeabley stronger leg day since this cycle started. Even though it seems hard for me to get my legs to grow.
Now would you guys critique my PCT please: I plan on going for 4 weeks:
week 1: 60mg nolva, 3 capsules retain, 4 capsules Activate /day
week 2: 45mg nolva, 3 cap retain, 5 Activate / day
week 3: 30mg nolva, 3 cap retain, 4 Activate / day
week 4: 15mg nolva, 3 retain, 3 Activate / day
Now I have ADT too which I know some people suggest and others (Like Mulletsoldier) claim is unnecessary bc Superdrol will deplete estrogen anyways. However my question is does the PP make a difference on estrogen levels or is Estrogen going to be pretty low anyways and therefore not need an AI?
Also I plan on continuing to use my other standard daily sups s well as the bulk cissus(What is a good dosage for this and time to take it BTW??) and adding a CEE product during PCT . However, do you guys think adding Powerfull will really help? Ive read a lot of good stuff about it and I want to keep my gains and continue to gain throughout PCT and beyond, is this product worth it along with the others I have?
Keep in mind I plan on going into a non-steroidal cutting phase with something like the ALRI product line probably as soon as PCT is done around Dec. 1. Any comments on this and would anyone suggest product changes with this in mind?
Is there anything else yall would suggest I add to my PCT or any other comments in general?
Thanks a bunch I appreciate everyones input,
10-21-2006 09:28 PM
You need to be taking higher doses but Taurine helps blood pressure hence it will relieve the pumps in the back or other areas you experience them and it is even good for headaches and other BP related problems I have heard.
Originally Posted by thesinner
Try 5+mg per day for the back pumps I've read, I never needed as I didnt experience any out of control back pumps during my run with SD this time.
10-21-2006 10:00 PM
An AI like ADT is capable of making your balls about twice normal size and testosterone output. Personnally I like really like big balls and lots of testosterone output. ADT can cause libido problems. Most people can handle 50 mgs with out libido issues especially if tapered in. My personnel favorite is 50 mgs of ADT and 1 Rebound Reloaded. If you taper in AI too soon or too fast then you crush your estrogen levels. Very low estrogen levels can result in lowered white blood cell and HDL levels. Very low estrogen levels can also result in libido issues. Best to tapering inverse to SERM. I don't recommend AI in the first 3 to 4 days if using a SERM. Let your testerone/estrogen levels start to raise before tapering in the AI.
Toremifene is supposed to be much better than Nolva, but I will be taking my first dose tonight so I'm just repeating what other have said.
Here is my log if want ideas for post cycle therapy. IGF-1R3 (oratrophin for me) can supercharge a PCT.
What the heck is the old fart trying to prove with this crazy cycle?
10-22-2006 11:13 AM
Yea I think I will run the ADT. I didnt buy the rebound reloaded because I thought they were pretty much the same product, but I guess slight differences really can change them..?
Originally Posted by Werewolf
I'll do some research on the Oratropin as I havent considered that yet. So any feedback on trying some of the NHA products like powerfull during the PCT, or is it best to wait until PCT is over for something like that? I've heard both arguments. Guess its just up to what I want to try really.
Abs, forearms, calves day. Will write up later
10-22-2006 05:41 PM
Powerful didn't do anything for me, but a lot of other people (especially younger) had very good results from it. ActivaTe works great on me.
Originally Posted by Jaywalh
10-24-2006 01:56 AM
Day 23 233.5 lbs
I know for a fact this weekend was real bad for my nutrition habits. I didnt get enough protein or calories in general, and I was rather unhealthy in one other regard which I wont mention
So anyways, Im not surprised weight isnt up at all hopefully that'll change today was real good on clean calories and a lot of protein again, body is finally rehydrating too.
Flat Bench barbell: 185x10, 225x10, 245x6, 275x1 (one full rep no spotter, 3 total reps with very minimal help on the second one)
incline barbell: 135x10, 185x10, 205x8, 225x6
Flat bench dumbells: 65x10, 70x10, 75x10 (aww I max out the dumbells at my gym now )
Cable flies, cable set real low: 40x10, 50x8, 60x6
Incline dumbell flies: 40x10, 45x8, 50x6
Single arm inverted cable pulldowns: 30x10, 40x10, 50x8
lieing single arm extensions: 30x10, 30x10, 35x8
I attempted a set of kickbacks with 30s, but that head in my Tricep group is still really sore from either the bench workout today or arms day on last friday, dont know and dont care Im just happy im working all of the heads in that part of my arm.
So strength is up and my triceps are finally really starting to develop. Theyre catching up to my biceps in weight. Chest Reps were def up on the lower amounts of weight, and I felt better about the one rep max 275, it was a really smooth and full/legit rep, with a couple assisted ones after. Im happy that Im still seeing gains on most exercises.
I upped the dose of Mehtyl plex to 10mg 3x daily now. We'll see how this pans out but this will most likely be my last week as planned. Although Im looking better than ever now and I wan to stay on!! haha, I know its stupid though so Im looking to start PCT next week.
10-24-2006 01:58 AM
Oh I almost forgot I measured my Biceps today and they are up ~.5 inch since I started on both sides. Cant be happier and the comments from everyone I see keep coming about how big Ive gotten!!! Now if only I was a little more cut up and BF% was down Id be a lot happier with my physique. Oh well, you cant do everything at once and nothing happens overnight, Im happy with the bulking for now.
10-24-2006 06:45 AM
I would have expected your bench and other lifts to be much higher after this cycle. Any gain is still grand though. Heavier weights, less reps work wonders for me on this cycle
10-24-2006 08:42 AM
make sure you keep your protein up post cycle. you dont want to lose it all.
10-25-2006 01:00 PM
How are you splitting the doses of superdrol up? I have the AX Superdrol 10mg capsules. Are yours capsules and you are just cutting them in half or what? I am trying to figure this out as I am thinking about adding a low dose of SD to my PP cycle. Thanks
10-25-2006 01:51 PM
They pull apart easily. You can dump in a protien shake or get some gelatin caps. If you try to dump into gelatin caps, then opening over and dumping onto a small folded sheet of paper can help. I use a little doubled over tape to stick the gelatin caps to the side of a box for easy comparsion of dosing levels by eye ball.
Originally Posted by shock
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