Redemption

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Forgive me my Iron Bretheren and Sistren for I have sinned.
I have spent way too long away from the Way of The Iron.
I have allowed myself to become unhappy with my appearance.
I have been lazy and unmotivated.
I have indulged in crappy food.

Now it is time to turn it all around.
From Febuary 20th, until August 20th, I worked for a very crappily run company (or just this district, but that's not for this post) that told me I would have to work hard for a month or so to get things in order, but after that I would be able to have a "normal" work schedule. Well, after about 2 weeks, I lost both of my employees, due to how the people above me did things which effected my store. From that point on, I was working 55-60 hours a week just to keep the store running, let alone get it into "guidelines" (which it wasn't even near when I started). And every time I got an employee, they would quit before I could get a day off, or, in the most recent case, do everything they could to get me fired or have me leave so they could get my job. So after 6 momths of this, I left.

When I started the job, I was about 250 lbs... not happy, but that's where I was. When I quit, I was 275. Since then I have lost 5 lbs, and I am at 270. I have started a new routine, and I am currently designing the suppliment regimin to go along with it.

Here is the workout plan:
Sunday: Cardio - Bike

Monday: Back/biceps
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Deadlifts (2 sets of 10, not to failure)
-Bent-Over BB Row (10, 6reps)
-Oly Bar Curl (10, 6 reps)
-Assisted Chinups (12, 7 reps)
-Hammer Curls (7,5 reps)
-Standing 45deg row (12, 8 reps)
-Rear-Delt flys (12, 9 reps)
-Cardio On Elliptical

Tuesday: Chest/Triceps
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Flyes (2 sets of 10, not to failure)
-Flat BB Bench (10, 6 reps)
-Incline DB Bench (12, 9 reps)
-Dips Chest (7, 5 reps)
-Dips Triceps (6 reps)
-Skulls (12, 9 reps) Followed immediately by CG bench w/last weight.
-Cable Underhand Triceps (15, 10 reps)
-Cardio on Bike

Wednesday: Shoulders/Biceps
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Arnold Press (warmup, 10, 6 reps)
-Arnold Curl (warmup, 12, 7 reps)
-Vertical BB Press (12, 7 reps)
-Shrugs (12, 9 reps)
-Lat raises (12, 7 reps)
-Abs (15, 12 reps)
-Cardio on Elliptical

Thursday: Legs
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Squats (warmup, 10, 7, 5 reps)
-Front Squats (12, 10 reps)
-SLDL (12, 10 reps)
-Leg press (8, 4 reps)
-Calf raises (12, 9, 6 reps)

Friday: Cardio on Bike

Saturday:
-Abs (15, 12 reps)
-Cardio on Elliptical

I will be watching my meals, and trying to eat 5 times per day, more if I can. Like I said, I am still working on the suppliment regimine. This is what I call "zero week" where I figure things out. I am tweaking the workout, throughout this week, but I am pretty sure it will stay that way. (Ed: as you can tell from posts below... It changed a bit :) )

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Today I weighed in at 270 lbs. My workout was as follows:
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Deadlifts 2x10 at 100lbs
-Bent over BB row
*10x80lbs, 7x100lbs, 5x120 lbs
-Oly Bar Curl
*10x50 lbs, 7x65 lbs, 5x65 lbs (had to pause on the second set)
-Assited chins (My weight-assist)
*12x80 lbs, 8x100 lbs, 5x110 lbs
-Arnold Curl (switching with rear-delt flyes next week)
*15x15lbs (db), 12x20 lbs, 8x25 lbs
-Hammer Curls
*7x20lbs (db), 5x25lbs (db)
-Standing 45deg cable row
*12x80 lbs, 8x100 lbs

This problem with the arnold curls being too difficult is what lead me to switch it out.

I will update daily.

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Alright... Now if I could only figure out what stack to use as the "backbone" I am looking at the venom tri-lean stack mainly and I am considering getting an extra bottle of lean dreams and special tactics, and doing the following.
Weeks 1-2, clenbuterol.
Weeks 3-6, full dose tri-lean stack.
Week 7, clenbuterol.
Weeks 8-11, low dose tri-lean stack.
Week 12, clenbuterol
Weeks 13-16 stimulant-x + cAMPHIBOLIC

Any ideas/comments/suggestions?

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welcome back buddy!

ugh i hate clen .. what about a traditional eca?
 
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I can't find the E in ECA... I also can't find c2 and I'm thinking I'll replace it with "stimulant-x."

Yep, I got the stimulant-x. And I have edited the above post to reflect that.

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Today's workout went as follows:
-5 minutes on bike to warmup.
-Flyes (warmup, not to failure)
*10x20lbs (db), 10x25 lbs.
-Flat Bench
*10x120 lbs, 7x135lbs, 5x145lbs.
-Incline Db bench
*12x35lbs (db), 9x40lbs, 8x40 lbs.
-Skulls
12x30lbs, 10x35lbs, 8x40lbs.
-Assisted Dips
*Chest: 7x80 lbs (lifted), 5x90lbs.
*Tricep: 6x80lbs
-Cable Tris
15x40 lbs, 12x70lbs.
-25 minutes Cardio on Bike.

Based on the way this workout went, I will be decreasing my volume. I just don't have the recovery I used to when training more often. Hopefully I will be able to add some sets back in at some point along the way. I have edited the post with the workout information to reflect the changes.

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Honestly man, I found that you can do just fine with Venom Hyperdrive by itself and no need to add lean dreams even if you add the special tactics.
 
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Welcome back wayward iron brother!

I'd ditch the Clen for some Albuterol..way more pleasant. Smoother energy without the frenetic jitters.

I would ease back into your routine for the first few weeks while you recondition the Discipline of Steel. The last thing you need is to overtrain and be swimming in cortisol. Keep the cardio high, but lower the frequency of the lifting for a month or two.

My ECA stack;

BioTek Ephedrine: cut tab in half for 12 mg of ephedrine hcl stacked with one Excedrin tab, 2 to 3 times per day. Excedrin is aspirin and caffiene.

After the effects of whatever fat burner you run begin to wane, look into either Melting Point or Omega's Burn 3D. TTA is the shiz.
 
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I will keep all that in mind.
Jay: I've already got the stuff coming, I'm goin all out for the next 4 months :)
Bio: Good to be back, I already have the clen, and while I don't "like" it, I don't mind it, especially since it works very well for me. I like the suggestions for eca and I will keep those in mind.

I know most of my lifts are pretty pitiful right now. It has been about one year since I have lifted seriously. I could feel my body wanting more weight, but just couldn't do anything. It does not help that I do not have a spotter or workout partner, so I can't push myself to failure and have to really play things safe. I will put up a more detailed suppliment schedule sometime tomorrow. Thanks again for all of your support.

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Today's workout:
-5 minutes Cardio on bike.
-Arnold Press
*10x15lbs, 10x25lbs, 6x35lbs (db)
-Vert BB Press
*12x60lbs, 7x75lbs
-Shrugs
*12x200 lbs, 9x230 lbs
-Lat Raises
*12x10 lbs, 7x20 lbs (db)
-Rear Delts (machine)
*12x80 lbs, 8x100 lbs
-Cable Crunch
*15x60 lbs, 12x70 lbs.
-25 minutes on Elliptical.

Overall I did feel a lot better during this workout, even though the lifts are weak as can be.

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Today's workout:
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Squats:
*100xwarmup, 125x10, 175x7, 200x5
-Front Squats
*100x12, 120x10
-SLDL
*110x12, 130x10
-Leg Press (plates per side)
8x3plates, 4x4plates
-Calves
*12x3plates, 9x4plates, 6x5plates

No Cardio today. I felt really good in the gym, really weak, but I also felt determined to keep kicking my own rear until this stuff became easy again.

I swear I will put up the suppliment dosing schedule here soon.

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Ok... Suppliment schedule:
Clen weeks 1-2:
Days 1-3 50mcg
Days 4-10 100mcg
Days 11-14 50mcg

Tri-Lean weeks 3-6
Venom Hyperdrive- 2x each AM
Special Tactics- 1x AM, 2x mid, 2x pm
Lean Dreams- 2x each PM

Clen Week 7
100mcg ed.

Tri-lean weeks 8-11
Hyperdrive 1x each AM
Special Tactics 1x AM, mid, and PM
Lean Dreams 2x each PM

Clen week 12
100mcg ED

Weeks 13-16
Stimulant-X 2x early AM, 1x late AM
cAMPHIBOLIC 2x mid, 2x PM

*Whew*

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Weekend update:
Friday: 2 hours walking around at a reasonable pace.
Saturday: 30 minutes on Elliptical.
Sunday: 30 minutes on Elliptical.

I am feeling much better, much more alive, and I have a lot more energy and desire to just go out and *gasp* do things! It is very cool to be getting back in touch with my inner gym rat again.

I started the clenbuterol today, so it is really on now. I still plan on doing my weigh-ins on Mondays, so the shame will have to wait until tomorow. I feel leaner, but I doubt anything has happened this week. We'll see.

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Good to see you again and in better spirits MB :)
 
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welcome back to the land of hugs and kisses. Stick with it this time. ;)
 
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LoL, I don't think my girlfriend would like me to go gay... but it really is good to be back in action and hanging around here.

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Weigh-in at 270 lbs. I didn't expect to have lost anything yet, since I wasn't really trying hard yet, and based on past experience, I don't loose weight (no matter what) the first week I get back into lifting. So here's to dropping a couple this week :D

Ok, Today's workout (pounds X reps):
5 minute warmup on bike
-Deadlifts (warmup)
*100x10, 2 sets
-Bent Over BB row
*85x10, 110x6
-Oly Bar Curl
*50x10, 60x6
-Assisted Chins
*100x12 (170 assist), 120x7 (150 assist)
-Hammer Curl DB
*25x7, 30x5
-Standing 45deg Cable Row
*80x12, 100x8
-Rear Delt Machine Flyes
*80x12, 95x10
-25 minutes cardio on Elliptical

Feelin better with each workout, although my legs are a bit tired from doing the Elliptical 3 days in a row. They/I am looking forward to using the bike tomorrow.

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Today's workout:
-5 minutes warmup on bike
-Db Pec Flyes (warmup)
*20x10, 25x10
-Flat Bench
*120x10, 150x6
-Incline Db Press
*35x12, 40x10
-Dips (with assist, lifted amount recorded)
*Chest: 80x7, 110x5
*Triceps: 100x6
-Skulls
*30x12, 40x9
-Cable Tris
*50x15, 60x12
-30 minutes cardio on bike

Clen has definitely been working, I've been drinking water and pissing it out like crazy. Upping to full dose tomorrow, so the shakes will be here too.

I definitely want to thank my girlfriend for helping to make healthy meals that also somehow taste pretty good. She is also very good about keeping me "honest" when it comes to food in general, so I owe a lot to her.

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Wednesday
Today's workout
-5 minutes cardio on bike
-Arnold Press DB
*20x10, 25x10, 35x6
-Arnold Curl DB
*15x10, 20x12, 30x7
-Vert Press BB
*60x12, 80x7
-Shrugs
*200x12, 230x9
-Lat Raises
*10x12, 20x7
-Cable Crunches
*50x15, 60x12

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Thursday:
Today's Workout:
-Squats
*100x10(warmup), 140x10, 175x7, 200x6
-Front Squats
*100x12, 120x10
-SLDL
*125x12, 150x10
-Leg Press (plates per side)
3x8, 4x5
-Calf Raises (plates per side)
3x12, 4x9, 5x6

Damn clen has me pissing all the time, but I'm feelin great and my legs are damn near dead today. So I guses all is going well so far.

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100x10 on deadlifts and 200x6 on squats at 270? are you going extremely light or is this normal for you?
 
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I am just getting back into the gym after about a year off of any serious lifting. I'm pretty sure I made note of the situation leading up to this "redemption" log of mine in the first post. I'm not lean at all right now, I used to be 220ish, with a bench of 200 for 2 reps, squat of 275 for 4 reps, and a 300 for 2 deadlift. I'm going higher volume and not trying to hit failure on every set for right now. I am pretty sure I made most of this clear earlier on in the thread. Trust me, it's not easy for me to look at the weights I am doing, it is not what I like saying I'm doing, but it gives me motivation to keep pushing until I get back to where I was.

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I am just getting back into the gym after about a year off of any serious lifting. I'm pretty sure I made note of the situation leading up to this "redemption" log of mine in the first post. I'm not lean at all right now, I used to be 220ish, with a bench of 200 for 2 reps, squat of 275 for 4 reps, and a 300 for 2 deadlift. I'm going higher volume and not trying to hit failure on every set for right now. I am pretty sure I made most of this clear earlier on in the thread. Trust me, it's not easy for me to look at the weights I am doing, it is not what I like saying I'm doing, but it gives me motivation to keep pushing until I get back to where I was.

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you really should use all that money you're spending on supps and buy yourself some nice clean food. clean food and 45 min on the treadmill 4-5xs a week will knock the weight off way faster than all those stims. and you'll pack on some serious lean muscle and give your heart a break. all those things stacked together are definately not good for your heart
 
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Morning weigh-in: 268 lbs.

Weekend update:
Friday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.
Saturday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.
Sunday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.

guyfromkop2: I *am* eating clean. I am not a newbie to this fat loss game, I do have a good amount of experience with stims etc. I appreciate the advice though. I am not stacking anything together that is not a reccomended stack. I am not overlapping the clen with another stim, nor am I going over the lable dosages for anything. I monitor my heartrate while doing cardio and I am never above 90% of my max reccomended heartrate, and that is only for very short periods of time during interval-based cardio. Again, thanks for your concern and suggestions.

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Hopefully it comes off like you're wanting MB. I know that venom+t-3 is a powerful combo.
 
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*grumble* t3 is the ****, but I will not touch it without some kinda anabolic... maybe sometime in the future though. Time to go hit the YMCA!

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Hey LCSULLA how's it goin?

Monday:
-5 minutes warmup on bike
-Deads 2 sets of 10 reps of 100 lbs.
-Bent-over BB row
*90x10, 110x6
-Oly Bar Curl
*50x10, 60x7
-Assisted Chins
*98 (170 assist)x12, 108x8
-DB Hammer curls
*25x7, 30x5
-Standing 45deg Cable Row
*80x12, 100x8
-Rear-Delt machine flyes
*80x12, 95x10
-20 minutes cardio on elliptical.

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Tuesday:
-5 minutes cardio on bike
-db flyes
20x10, 25x10
-bench press
125x10, 150x6
-incline db press
35x12, 40x10
-dips (assisted, total lifted recorded)
*chest: 78x7, 108x5
*triceps: 98x6
-skullcrushers
*30x12, 40x9
-rope triceps (someone was in my way, i didn't want to stand still)
*50x15
-tricep pulldowns
*50x12, 60x7
-20 minutes cardio on bike

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good log bro!! I will def continue to check it out!
 
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Wednesday:
-5 minutes cardio on bike
-Arnold Press db
*20x10 (warmup), 25x10, 35x6
-Arnold curl db
*15x10 (warmup), 20x12, 30x7
-Vert BB press
*60x12, 85x9
-Shrugs
*200x12, 230x9
-Lat raises
10x12, 20x7
-Abs (balanced crunch on bench)
Bodyweight x 15, Bodyweight x 12
-20 minutes cardio on Elliptical.

I started off this morning with a real drag-ass feeling and have been a bit tired today. I attribute it to my not sleeping well the past few nights finally catching up to me, and the fact that I just started tapering down my clen today. Tomorrow is legs day and I'm hoping for a good night sleep to really go and whoop my own a$$.

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Thursday:
-5 minutes cardio on bike
-Squats: warmup 100x10
*140x10, 175x7, 205x5
-Front squats
*100x12, 120x10
-SLDL
130x12, 165x10
-Leg Press (plates per side)
*3x8, 4+10lbs x3
-calf raises (plates per side)
*3x12, 4x9, 5x6

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Weekend update:
Friday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.
Saturday: 2 mile walk
Sunday 30 minutes cardio on elliptical.

I have upped the "level" of my cardio on all machines as of this week. I have done this while maintaining the same pace and incline where applicable. Today is also the first day that I have started up the A.L.R.I. Tri-lean system. I like the Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 a *LOT* :D

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Weigh-in: 270 (I will get to this later...)

Monday:
-5 minute cardio on bike
-2 sets of 100 pound deadlifts for 10 reps
-Bent Over BB row
*90x10, 110x7
-Oly Curl
*50x10, 60x8
-Assisted Chins (amount lifted)
*100x12, 120x7
-Hammer Curls DB
*25x7, 30x6
-45 deg standing cable row
*80x12, 100x10
-Rear Flyes
12x80, 10x95
-20 minutes cardio on Elliptical.

Ok... about the weight... I really feel like I'm retaining water right now. I did not get enough to drink on saturday, and barely got 1.5 gallons yesterday. I am pretty sure that I'll drop it quick. I also feel stronger, and my lifts are up (at least in reps) right now, despite not getting great sleep the last few days. Finally, I am starting to look a bit leaner, especially in my upper chest and arms, and a bit in my lower back. I have lost some weight around my waist for sure because my pants are fitting worse and worse as the weeks go by. So while I am not happy about the scale, I am not too worried.

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what's your bf%? and why arent your lifts going up? 100x2x10 on deadlifts isnt much, my gf can do 135x2x10 and she's half your size
 
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First, today's workout:

Tuesday:
-5 minute warmup on bike
-DB Flyes
*20x10, *25,10
-Flat Bench
*130x10, 155x6
-Incline DB press
*35x12, 40x10
-Dips (assited, lifted total)
*chest: 90x7, 110x5
*triceps: 100x6
-Skull Crushers
*30x12, 40x12
+10 close-grip flat bench press @ 40 lbs, no pause after skulls
-Cable Tris
*50x15, 60x10 (I'm going to change my rep scheme to reflect this).
-30 minutes cardio on bike.

Now... guyfromkop2...
If you would read my first post as well as my reply to you earlier. You would know that I'm trying to get back into shape. This is my redemption thread. In the first post I state that the deadlifts are a warmup. I am using them to just work my lower back some. Not to kill my legs, since I do a pretty good leg day every Thursday, as well as daily cardio (except leg day). My lifts *just* started to go up this week. One reason I am going up slowley is because I do not have anyone to spot me on anything, and the weightroom I am working out in necesitates the use of collars (even though they are not required), and I am pretty sure the seniors that are there would complain if I made a huge racket with anything. I am doing the best that I can with what I have avaliable to me right now. I am truly sorry that my workouts and lifts are (obviously) not up to your standards.

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Now... guyfromkop2...
If you would read my first post as well as my reply to you earlier. You would know that I'm trying to get back into shape. This is my redemption thread. In the first post I state that the deadlifts are a warmup. I am using them to just work my lower back some. Not to kill my legs, since I do a pretty good leg day every Thursday, as well as daily cardio (except leg day). My lifts *just* started to go up this week. One reason I am going up slowley is because I do not have anyone to spot me on anything, and the weightroom I am working out in necesitates the use of collars (even though they are not required), and I am pretty sure the seniors that are there would complain if I made a huge racket with anything. I am doing the best that I can with what I have avaliable to me right now. I am truly sorry that my workouts and lifts are (obviously) not up to your standards.

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even when you were at your best(as you put it here "I used to be 220ish, with a bench of 200 for 2 reps, squat of 275 for 4 reps, and a 300 for 2 deadlift") it was subpar for a guy your size, if you want to lose all this fat you need to put on lean muscle, lean muscle eats up fat like crazy. and taking clen, t3, and whatever other fat burners you are taking is just eating up whatever little lean muscle you have and are putting on. since your lifts arent going up you are eating upwhatever lean muscle you are putting on. lifts not going up = you not gaining muscle = you not buring up fat that will stay off. very simple. one of the biggest problems with this and many other boards is everyone thinks if they take supplement xyz then they will lose all sorts of fat. you're 270, put some damn weight on the bar.
 
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Look, i'm NOT on t3 (which eats muscle), clen has actually been shown to be slightly anti-catabolic when used with proper training and diet. Again, my lifts ARE going up, I just have to be cautious due to the environment I am able to work in. I *think* that getting an extra rep (or more) is adding weight. The DBs in my gym go up in 5 pound increments, which is TOO much for certain exercises. Some of the Cable-based machines only go up in 10 or 15 pound intervals. I have to adapt to my surroundings and utilize them to the fullest I can. I also have to be safe, and to me, without having a spotter, that means I have to be more cautious and very *sure* of myself before I add weight. I am also what some might call a "form nazi". I make sure that I keep near-perfect form on every rep of every set, and control the weight. None of the "ballistic bounce benching" that I have seen so many people do, or the 1/4-squat with the knees past the toes and all of the weight on the balls of the feet. Finally, I am not trying to add muscle at this point. If I do... wonderful. I am just trying not to loose the muscle I have while annihilating as much fat as possible. I am NOT loosing muscle, my definition is getting better and better, my girlfriend has noticed (and she sees me every day) a significant change in the last couple months. Also, I am an Endo-meso bodytype (i would say 70% endo, 30% meso) So I might have to do things differently than you... There is not a "one size fits all" solution to getting rid of fat.

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Wednesday:
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Arnold Press db
*20x10 (warmup), 25x12, 40x6
-Arnold Curl db
*15x10 (warmup), 25x12, 30x7
-Vert BB Press
*65x12, 90x7
-Shrugs
*200x12, 230x10
-Lat Raises db
10x12, 20x7
-Cable Abs
*50x15, 60x12
-20 minutes cardio on Elliptical

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I'm with manbeast on this one. Some of us have extremely different goals and have to meet them using whatever available means we have. And calling someone out over their lifts is kinda messed up to begin with when they are trying to return to the gym.

I can bench over 400 raw at ~230 pounds. WHile not impressive to most who visit these boards i'm quite confidant i'll be able to 2x my body weight soon.

If I remember right GFK you're over 300 pounds. Are you close to 600 pounds bench raw?

What i'm getting at is that it's an unfair comparison. Our goals are different. Our body types are different and our surroundings/lifestyles are different.

We should be here for support and push people into the right direction. Advice because we see improper supp use or routines that need some serious tweaking is one thing. Calling someone's lifts pathetic is another.
 

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I'm with manbeast on this one. Some of us have extremely different goals and have to meet them using whatever available means we have. And calling someone out over their lifts is kinda messed up to begin with when they are trying to return to the gym.

I can bench over 400 raw at ~230 pounds. WHile not impressive to most who visit these boards i'm quite confidant i'll be able to 2x my body weight soon.

If I remember right GFK you're over 300 pounds. Are you close to 600 pounds bench raw?

What i'm getting at is that it's an unfair comparison. Our goals are different. Our body types are different and our surroundings/lifestyles are different.

We should be here for support and push people into the right direction. Advice because we see improper supp use or routines that need some serious tweaking is one thing. Calling someone's lifts pathetic is another.

i'm not calling his lifts pathetic, i'm calling his progression pathetic, in a month's time his body weight has stayed the same, and his lifts have barely gone up in weight and reps. according to his past prs and muscle memory, he should of made leaps and bounds in his first month back. for someone who's trying to lose all this weight, what i can see from his journal alone is he's not pushing himself. we go around a lot of the same boards jayhawk and dont tell me that on the other boards people would tell him to put the clen down and be critiquing his routine. if he was doing the dieting/workout correctly, he would be getting leaner and stronger all at the same time, that's just the way it goes and how our bodies react.

and no can do on benching 600, and even if i could i wouldnt, i like my tri's and shoulders :D

oh and benching over 400 raw is impressive, dont kid yourself :D
 
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Ok... lets do a little counting here.
Started (i start sundays) the cardio day on 9-10
Started log on 9-11-06
Spent 1 week on NOTIHNG just figuring out the workout. I also really cleaned up my diet this week.
Started Clen 9-17.
Did not loose any weight that week, and knew why.
Spent this week figuring out exactly what weights work right, being safe and not ever having a spotter.
9-25 weighed two pounds less than 9-18.
Spent the next week correcting mistakes (too light/heavy) from last week (again no spotter).
FINALLY starting on 10-1 I was able to go into the gym and know where I could push, and where I was good on weights. Yes my weight is up, but I speculated as to why in a specific post. I also included my comments about my clothing, and what the mirror shows me. Which to me is way more important than a scale (until they have one that accurately tells you your bodyfat... then the scale MIGHT have an advantage).

If you read what I am trying to do with each set in the first post of this thread, and then compare it to what I am doing on those sets, you will see that there has been some progress on a good amount of the lifts. You just don't seem to understand how hard it is to push yourself when there is nobody to spot you, and you can't just tip a bar or drop weights. I am working out at a YMCA, so far, nobody really does anything super hardcore there, and nobody talks to anybody unless they already know them (I am from another state entirely, and I'm in a town of 12,000 where everyone knows each other from birth pretty much, my college had 16,000 people). It just isn't the atmosphere for intense hardcore training without a spotter. I have to re-learn where my failure points are. Could I get better results, probably back at my old gym, where I had friends I could lift with who liked to train hardcore. Here everyone does the "Men's Fitness" or "Men's Health" workout, or circut trains. Most people have piss-poor form and are only lifting for their ego, or half-assing it because thier parents/significant other/etc. makes them go. C'mon out here and spot me if you want me to push myself even harder.

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Ok... lets do a little counting here.
Started (i start sundays) the cardio day on 9-10
Started log on 9-11-06
Spent 1 week on NOTIHNG just figuring out the workout. I also really cleaned up my diet this week.
Started Clen 9-17.
Did not loose any weight that week, and knew why.
Spent this week figuring out exactly what weights work right, being safe and not ever having a spotter.
9-25 weighed two pounds less than 9-18.
Spent the next week correcting mistakes (too light/heavy) from last week (again no spotter).
FINALLY starting on 10-1 I was able to go into the gym and know where I could push, and where I was good on weights. Yes my weight is up, but I speculated as to why in a specific post. I also included my comments about my clothing, and what the mirror shows me. Which to me is way more important than a scale (until they have one that accurately tells you your bodyfat... then the scale MIGHT have an advantage).

If you read what I am trying to do with each set in the first post of this thread, and then compare it to what I am doing on those sets, you will see that there has been some progress on a good amount of the lifts. You just don't seem to understand how hard it is to push yourself when there is nobody to spot you, and you can't just tip a bar or drop weights. I am working out at a YMCA, so far, nobody really does anything super hardcore there, and nobody talks to anybody unless they already know them (I am from another state entirely, and I'm in a town of 12,000 where everyone knows each other from birth pretty much, my college had 16,000 people). It just isn't the atmosphere for intense hardcore training without a spotter. I have to re-learn where my failure points are. Could I get better results, probably back at my old gym, where I had friends I could lift with who liked to train hardcore. Here everyone does the "Men's Fitness" or "Men's Health" workout, or circut trains. Most people have piss-poor form and are only lifting for their ego, or half-assing it because thier parents/significant other/etc. makes them go. C'mon out here and spot me if you want me to push myself even harder.

ManBeast
you dont need clen to lose weight unless you are a bber and need to get down a couple percentages in time for a show.

i trained for years without a steady spotter, even now i train alone, and to this day i only use a spotter on squats when i'm doing my last one or two squats before a meet, and that's because i'm in full gear. i've learned to dump the bar off my back and/or squat in a rack. not hard if you're not in gear. i only truely need a spotter/lift off guy when i'm doing my shirt work, and that's because it's nearly impossible to shirt bench w/o a spotter. so the needing a spotter thing is not a valid excuse, the weight room is no place for excuses . it doesnt hurt to ask someone real quick for a spot if you really need one.
 
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I am NOT using it as an excuse, but honestly, I would rather work back to weights safely, than have a problem. I can't drop weights at all here, you get funny looks if you re-rack loudly, and forget making noise (even exhaling loud) while doing a set unless you want everyone (especially the older folks) looking at you and/or complaining to the staff about how disruptive you are. I'm not a BBer, I know my body, I have done my research, I have a few tools at my disposal to help me. I am not risking my health. If I start to feel wrong in anyway, no sh!t I'm going to stop things and re-evaluate. I don't care how you train. I am not going to go significantly past where I know I can make a lift without a spotter. There is no real squat cage, it is just a rack with about 1 foot per side to catch the bar if you have to put it down. It is a "fitness center" not a real weightroom... No it does not hurt to ask, but honestly, judging how people don't let others work in, and don't respect other peoples space, I highly doubt that they are going to spot someone, let alone someone they don't even know. You are not out here at this POS gym, I wish there was better around, but there isn't...

But this is really getting ridiculous. I just wanted a place to keep a log to track my progress and get *constructive* criticizm.

ManBeast
 
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Thursday:
-5 minute warmup on bike
-Squats
*100x12(warmup), 150x10, 175x7, 205x5
-Front Squats
*100x12, 125x10
-SLDL
*150x10 (I forgot I should do 12), 175x10, 175x10
-Leg Press (plates per side)
*3x8, 4+10x5
-Calves (plates per side)
*12x3, 9x4, 5x6

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How did the leg workout feel to you? I'm still having serious issues with leg days due to my back.
 

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