Redemption

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    I am just getting back into the gym after about a year off of any serious lifting. I'm pretty sure I made note of the situation leading up to this "redemption" log of mine in the first post. I'm not lean at all right now, I used to be 220ish, with a bench of 200 for 2 reps, squat of 275 for 4 reps, and a 300 for 2 deadlift. I'm going higher volume and not trying to hit failure on every set for right now. I am pretty sure I made most of this clear earlier on in the thread. Trust me, it's not easy for me to look at the weights I am doing, it is not what I like saying I'm doing, but it gives me motivation to keep pushing until I get back to where I was.

    ManBeast

    you really should use all that money you're spending on supps and buy yourself some nice clean food. clean food and 45 min on the treadmill 4-5xs a week will knock the weight off way faster than all those stims. and you'll pack on some serious lean muscle and give your heart a break. all those things stacked together are definately not good for your heart


  2. Morning weigh-in: 268 lbs.

    Weekend update:
    Friday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.
    Saturday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.
    Sunday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.

    guyfromkop2: I *am* eating clean. I am not a newbie to this fat loss game, I do have a good amount of experience with stims etc. I appreciate the advice though. I am not stacking anything together that is not a reccomended stack. I am not overlapping the clen with another stim, nor am I going over the lable dosages for anything. I monitor my heartrate while doing cardio and I am never above 90% of my max reccomended heartrate, and that is only for very short periods of time during interval-based cardio. Again, thanks for your concern and suggestions.

    ManBeast
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  3. Hopefully it comes off like you're wanting MB. I know that venom+t-3 is a powerful combo.

  4. *grumble* t3 is the ****, but I will not touch it without some kinda anabolic... maybe sometime in the future though. Time to go hit the YMCA!

    ManBeast
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  5. Sounds good MB
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  6. *blinks* Damn LCSULLA, is that you???

  7. Hey LCSULLA how's it goin?

    Monday:
    -5 minutes warmup on bike
    -Deads 2 sets of 10 reps of 100 lbs.
    -Bent-over BB row
    *90x10, 110x6
    -Oly Bar Curl
    *50x10, 60x7
    -Assisted Chins
    *98 (170 assist)x12, 108x8
    -DB Hammer curls
    *25x7, 30x5
    -Standing 45deg Cable Row
    *80x12, 100x8
    -Rear-Delt machine flyes
    *80x12, 95x10
    -20 minutes cardio on elliptical.

    ManBeast
    Last edited by ManBeast; 09-27-2006 at 10:33 PM.
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  8. Tuesday:
    -5 minutes cardio on bike
    -db flyes
    20x10, 25x10
    -bench press
    125x10, 150x6
    -incline db press
    35x12, 40x10
    -dips (assisted, total lifted recorded)
    *chest: 78x7, 108x5
    *triceps: 98x6
    -skullcrushers
    *30x12, 40x9
    -rope triceps (someone was in my way, i didn't want to stand still)
    *50x15
    -tricep pulldowns
    *50x12, 60x7
    -20 minutes cardio on bike

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  9. good log bro!! I will def continue to check it out!

  10. Wednesday:
    -5 minutes cardio on bike
    -Arnold Press db
    *20x10 (warmup), 25x10, 35x6
    -Arnold curl db
    *15x10 (warmup), 20x12, 30x7
    -Vert BB press
    *60x12, 85x9
    -Shrugs
    *200x12, 230x9
    -Lat raises
    10x12, 20x7
    -Abs (balanced crunch on bench)
    Bodyweight x 15, Bodyweight x 12
    -20 minutes cardio on Elliptical.

    I started off this morning with a real drag-ass feeling and have been a bit tired today. I attribute it to my not sleeping well the past few nights finally catching up to me, and the fact that I just started tapering down my clen today. Tomorrow is legs day and I'm hoping for a good night sleep to really go and whoop my own a$$.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
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    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  11. Thursday:
    -5 minutes cardio on bike
    -Squats: warmup 100x10
    *140x10, 175x7, 205x5
    -Front squats
    *100x12, 120x10
    -SLDL
    130x12, 165x10
    -Leg Press (plates per side)
    *3x8, 4+10lbs x3
    -calf raises (plates per side)
    *3x12, 4x9, 5x6

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  12. Weekend update:
    Friday: 30 minutes cardio on bike.
    Saturday: 2 mile walk
    Sunday 30 minutes cardio on elliptical.

    I have upped the "level" of my cardio on all machines as of this week. I have done this while maintaining the same pace and incline where applicable. Today is also the first day that I have started up the A.L.R.I. Tri-lean system. I like the Venom Hyperdrive 3.0 a *LOT*

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
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    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  13. Weigh-in: 270 (I will get to this later...)

    Monday:
    -5 minute cardio on bike
    -2 sets of 100 pound deadlifts for 10 reps
    -Bent Over BB row
    *90x10, 110x7
    -Oly Curl
    *50x10, 60x8
    -Assisted Chins (amount lifted)
    *100x12, 120x7
    -Hammer Curls DB
    *25x7, 30x6
    -45 deg standing cable row
    *80x12, 100x10
    -Rear Flyes
    12x80, 10x95
    -20 minutes cardio on Elliptical.

    Ok... about the weight... I really feel like I'm retaining water right now. I did not get enough to drink on saturday, and barely got 1.5 gallons yesterday. I am pretty sure that I'll drop it quick. I also feel stronger, and my lifts are up (at least in reps) right now, despite not getting great sleep the last few days. Finally, I am starting to look a bit leaner, especially in my upper chest and arms, and a bit in my lower back. I have lost some weight around my waist for sure because my pants are fitting worse and worse as the weeks go by. So while I am not happy about the scale, I am not too worried.

    ManBeast
    Last edited by ManBeast; 10-03-2006 at 03:16 PM.
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  14. what's your bf%? and why arent your lifts going up? 100x2x10 on deadlifts isnt much, my gf can do 135x2x10 and she's half your size

  15. First, today's workout:

    Tuesday:
    -5 minute warmup on bike
    -DB Flyes
    *20x10, *25,10
    -Flat Bench
    *130x10, 155x6
    -Incline DB press
    *35x12, 40x10
    -Dips (assited, lifted total)
    *chest: 90x7, 110x5
    *triceps: 100x6
    -Skull Crushers
    *30x12, 40x12
    +10 close-grip flat bench press @ 40 lbs, no pause after skulls
    -Cable Tris
    *50x15, 60x10 (I'm going to change my rep scheme to reflect this).
    -30 minutes cardio on bike.

    Now... guyfromkop2...
    If you would read my first post as well as my reply to you earlier. You would know that I'm trying to get back into shape. This is my redemption thread. In the first post I state that the deadlifts are a warmup. I am using them to just work my lower back some. Not to kill my legs, since I do a pretty good leg day every Thursday, as well as daily cardio (except leg day). My lifts *just* started to go up this week. One reason I am going up slowley is because I do not have anyone to spot me on anything, and the weightroom I am working out in necesitates the use of collars (even though they are not required), and I am pretty sure the seniors that are there would complain if I made a huge racket with anything. I am doing the best that I can with what I have avaliable to me right now. I am truly sorry that my workouts and lifts are (obviously) not up to your standards.

    ManBeast
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    Now... guyfromkop2...
    If you would read my first post as well as my reply to you earlier. You would know that I'm trying to get back into shape. This is my redemption thread. In the first post I state that the deadlifts are a warmup. I am using them to just work my lower back some. Not to kill my legs, since I do a pretty good leg day every Thursday, as well as daily cardio (except leg day). My lifts *just* started to go up this week. One reason I am going up slowley is because I do not have anyone to spot me on anything, and the weightroom I am working out in necesitates the use of collars (even though they are not required), and I am pretty sure the seniors that are there would complain if I made a huge racket with anything. I am doing the best that I can with what I have avaliable to me right now. I am truly sorry that my workouts and lifts are (obviously) not up to your standards.

    ManBeast

    even when you were at your best(as you put it here "I used to be 220ish, with a bench of 200 for 2 reps, squat of 275 for 4 reps, and a 300 for 2 deadlift") it was subpar for a guy your size, if you want to lose all this fat you need to put on lean muscle, lean muscle eats up fat like crazy. and taking clen, t3, and whatever other fat burners you are taking is just eating up whatever little lean muscle you have and are putting on. since your lifts arent going up you are eating upwhatever lean muscle you are putting on. lifts not going up = you not gaining muscle = you not buring up fat that will stay off. very simple. one of the biggest problems with this and many other boards is everyone thinks if they take supplement xyz then they will lose all sorts of fat. you're 270, put some damn weight on the bar.

  17. Look, i'm NOT on t3 (which eats muscle), clen has actually been shown to be slightly anti-catabolic when used with proper training and diet. Again, my lifts ARE going up, I just have to be cautious due to the environment I am able to work in. I *think* that getting an extra rep (or more) is adding weight. The DBs in my gym go up in 5 pound increments, which is TOO much for certain exercises. Some of the Cable-based machines only go up in 10 or 15 pound intervals. I have to adapt to my surroundings and utilize them to the fullest I can. I also have to be safe, and to me, without having a spotter, that means I have to be more cautious and very *sure* of myself before I add weight. I am also what some might call a "form nazi". I make sure that I keep near-perfect form on every rep of every set, and control the weight. None of the "ballistic bounce benching" that I have seen so many people do, or the 1/4-squat with the knees past the toes and all of the weight on the balls of the feet. Finally, I am not trying to add muscle at this point. If I do... wonderful. I am just trying not to loose the muscle I have while annihilating as much fat as possible. I am NOT loosing muscle, my definition is getting better and better, my girlfriend has noticed (and she sees me every day) a significant change in the last couple months. Also, I am an Endo-meso bodytype (i would say 70% endo, 30% meso) So I might have to do things differently than you... There is not a "one size fits all" solution to getting rid of fat.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  18. Wednesday:
    -5 minute warmup on bike
    -Arnold Press db
    *20x10 (warmup), 25x12, 40x6
    -Arnold Curl db
    *15x10 (warmup), 25x12, 30x7
    -Vert BB Press
    *65x12, 90x7
    -Shrugs
    *200x12, 230x10
    -Lat Raises db
    10x12, 20x7
    -Cable Abs
    *50x15, 60x12
    -20 minutes cardio on Elliptical

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  19. I'm with manbeast on this one. Some of us have extremely different goals and have to meet them using whatever available means we have. And calling someone out over their lifts is kinda messed up to begin with when they are trying to return to the gym.

    I can bench over 400 raw at ~230 pounds. WHile not impressive to most who visit these boards i'm quite confidant i'll be able to 2x my body weight soon.

    If I remember right GFK you're over 300 pounds. Are you close to 600 pounds bench raw?

    What i'm getting at is that it's an unfair comparison. Our goals are different. Our body types are different and our surroundings/lifestyles are different.

    We should be here for support and push people into the right direction. Advice because we see improper supp use or routines that need some serious tweaking is one thing. Calling someone's lifts pathetic is another.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
    I'm with manbeast on this one. Some of us have extremely different goals and have to meet them using whatever available means we have. And calling someone out over their lifts is kinda messed up to begin with when they are trying to return to the gym.

    I can bench over 400 raw at ~230 pounds. WHile not impressive to most who visit these boards i'm quite confidant i'll be able to 2x my body weight soon.

    If I remember right GFK you're over 300 pounds. Are you close to 600 pounds bench raw?

    What i'm getting at is that it's an unfair comparison. Our goals are different. Our body types are different and our surroundings/lifestyles are different.

    We should be here for support and push people into the right direction. Advice because we see improper supp use or routines that need some serious tweaking is one thing. Calling someone's lifts pathetic is another.

    i'm not calling his lifts pathetic, i'm calling his progression pathetic, in a month's time his body weight has stayed the same, and his lifts have barely gone up in weight and reps. according to his past prs and muscle memory, he should of made leaps and bounds in his first month back. for someone who's trying to lose all this weight, what i can see from his journal alone is he's not pushing himself. we go around a lot of the same boards jayhawk and dont tell me that on the other boards people would tell him to put the clen down and be critiquing his routine. if he was doing the dieting/workout correctly, he would be getting leaner and stronger all at the same time, that's just the way it goes and how our bodies react.

    and no can do on benching 600, and even if i could i wouldnt, i like my tri's and shoulders

    oh and benching over 400 raw is impressive, dont kid yourself

  21. Ok... lets do a little counting here.
    Started (i start sundays) the cardio day on 9-10
    Started log on 9-11-06
    Spent 1 week on NOTIHNG just figuring out the workout. I also really cleaned up my diet this week.
    Started Clen 9-17.
    Did not loose any weight that week, and knew why.
    Spent this week figuring out exactly what weights work right, being safe and not ever having a spotter.
    9-25 weighed two pounds less than 9-18.
    Spent the next week correcting mistakes (too light/heavy) from last week (again no spotter).
    FINALLY starting on 10-1 I was able to go into the gym and know where I could push, and where I was good on weights. Yes my weight is up, but I speculated as to why in a specific post. I also included my comments about my clothing, and what the mirror shows me. Which to me is way more important than a scale (until they have one that accurately tells you your bodyfat... then the scale MIGHT have an advantage).

    If you read what I am trying to do with each set in the first post of this thread, and then compare it to what I am doing on those sets, you will see that there has been some progress on a good amount of the lifts. You just don't seem to understand how hard it is to push yourself when there is nobody to spot you, and you can't just tip a bar or drop weights. I am working out at a YMCA, so far, nobody really does anything super hardcore there, and nobody talks to anybody unless they already know them (I am from another state entirely, and I'm in a town of 12,000 where everyone knows each other from birth pretty much, my college had 16,000 people). It just isn't the atmosphere for intense hardcore training without a spotter. I have to re-learn where my failure points are. Could I get better results, probably back at my old gym, where I had friends I could lift with who liked to train hardcore. Here everyone does the "Men's Fitness" or "Men's Health" workout, or circut trains. Most people have piss-poor form and are only lifting for their ego, or half-assing it because thier parents/significant other/etc. makes them go. C'mon out here and spot me if you want me to push myself even harder.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    Ok... lets do a little counting here.
    Started (i start sundays) the cardio day on 9-10
    Started log on 9-11-06
    Spent 1 week on NOTIHNG just figuring out the workout. I also really cleaned up my diet this week.
    Started Clen 9-17.
    Did not loose any weight that week, and knew why.
    Spent this week figuring out exactly what weights work right, being safe and not ever having a spotter.
    9-25 weighed two pounds less than 9-18.
    Spent the next week correcting mistakes (too light/heavy) from last week (again no spotter).
    FINALLY starting on 10-1 I was able to go into the gym and know where I could push, and where I was good on weights. Yes my weight is up, but I speculated as to why in a specific post. I also included my comments about my clothing, and what the mirror shows me. Which to me is way more important than a scale (until they have one that accurately tells you your bodyfat... then the scale MIGHT have an advantage).

    If you read what I am trying to do with each set in the first post of this thread, and then compare it to what I am doing on those sets, you will see that there has been some progress on a good amount of the lifts. You just don't seem to understand how hard it is to push yourself when there is nobody to spot you, and you can't just tip a bar or drop weights. I am working out at a YMCA, so far, nobody really does anything super hardcore there, and nobody talks to anybody unless they already know them (I am from another state entirely, and I'm in a town of 12,000 where everyone knows each other from birth pretty much, my college had 16,000 people). It just isn't the atmosphere for intense hardcore training without a spotter. I have to re-learn where my failure points are. Could I get better results, probably back at my old gym, where I had friends I could lift with who liked to train hardcore. Here everyone does the "Men's Fitness" or "Men's Health" workout, or circut trains. Most people have piss-poor form and are only lifting for their ego, or half-assing it because thier parents/significant other/etc. makes them go. C'mon out here and spot me if you want me to push myself even harder.

    ManBeast
    you dont need clen to lose weight unless you are a bber and need to get down a couple percentages in time for a show.

    i trained for years without a steady spotter, even now i train alone, and to this day i only use a spotter on squats when i'm doing my last one or two squats before a meet, and that's because i'm in full gear. i've learned to dump the bar off my back and/or squat in a rack. not hard if you're not in gear. i only truely need a spotter/lift off guy when i'm doing my shirt work, and that's because it's nearly impossible to shirt bench w/o a spotter. so the needing a spotter thing is not a valid excuse, the weight room is no place for excuses . it doesnt hurt to ask someone real quick for a spot if you really need one.

  23. I am NOT using it as an excuse, but honestly, I would rather work back to weights safely, than have a problem. I can't drop weights at all here, you get funny looks if you re-rack loudly, and forget making noise (even exhaling loud) while doing a set unless you want everyone (especially the older folks) looking at you and/or complaining to the staff about how disruptive you are. I'm not a BBer, I know my body, I have done my research, I have a few tools at my disposal to help me. I am not risking my health. If I start to feel wrong in anyway, no sh!t I'm going to stop things and re-evaluate. I don't care how you train. I am not going to go significantly past where I know I can make a lift without a spotter. There is no real squat cage, it is just a rack with about 1 foot per side to catch the bar if you have to put it down. It is a "fitness center" not a real weightroom... No it does not hurt to ask, but honestly, judging how people don't let others work in, and don't respect other peoples space, I highly doubt that they are going to spot someone, let alone someone they don't even know. You are not out here at this POS gym, I wish there was better around, but there isn't...

    But this is really getting ridiculous. I just wanted a place to keep a log to track my progress and get *constructive* criticizm.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  24. Thursday:
    -5 minute warmup on bike
    -Squats
    *100x12(warmup), 150x10, 175x7, 205x5
    -Front Squats
    *100x12, 125x10
    -SLDL
    *150x10 (I forgot I should do 12), 175x10, 175x10
    -Leg Press (plates per side)
    *3x8, 4+10x5
    -Calves (plates per side)
    *12x3, 9x4, 5x6

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  25. How did the leg workout feel to you? I'm still having serious issues with leg days due to my back.
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