[tl100proof]

yeah man ive noticed once you get used to a certian gym and their style of equipment, going to a new one can make some lifts feel akward. Nice log. cant wait to see the after pics. I did a Mdrol cycle a year ago and it made a huge differance. I might try this depending on how yours turns out.

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 17 - (Overall: 31 days)

Diet

Upon Waking up:
1.25 Scoops ON Whey (150 Cals)
6 Ounces Skim Milk (60 Cals)
1 Banana (120 Cals)
1 Cup Strawberries (50 Cals)
Calories: 380

Meal 1:
2 Slices Double Fiber Wheat bread (100 Cals)
2 tbsp Natural Peanut Butter (200 Cals)
Sugar Free Jelly (25 Cals)
Rice Cakes (100 Cals)
Calories: 425

Meal 2:
Clif Bar (240 Cals)
Chik Fil A Sanwich on Wheat (450 Cals)
Calories: 690

Meal 3:
2 Eggs, 2 Slices Whole Wheat Toast, 1 Slice 2% Cheese - 400 Cals
Calories: 400

Meal 4:
Tandoori Chicken (300 Cals)
Calories: 300

Pre Workout:
1 Scoops ON HydroWhey Protein Shake (140 Cals)
Calories: 140

Post workout:
Ergogenix Aftermath Blue Raspberry PWO Shake (153 Cals)
Banana (110 Cals)
Calories: 263

Dinner:
1 Cup of Brown Rice (220 Cals)
Rice Cakes (100 Cals)
1/3 Chicken (400 Cals)
Calories: 720

Presleep:
1 Scoop ON Casein Cookies n Cream (120 cals)
8 Ounces Skim Milk (80 Cals)
Calories: 200

Total: 3518

Water Intake today: 200 Ounces - Doesn't include water intake at the gym
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Workout

Power Up Legs! Some PR's, but Squats was more of a form workout. I was working out with sword_ from the other forum I visit, and he was showing me some things and giving me tips on my deadlifts and squats. Dude squats 445 for reps, and deadlifts 550+

Barbell Squats
135 x 10
205 x 6
215 x 5
225 x 5 x 3 (PR)
Could've hit 235, maybe more, but as I said, form technique was key.

Deadlifts
135 x 10
225 x 5
245 x 5
265 x 5 (PR)
275 x 5 (PR)
Could've gone for 295 here. Sword_ told me my form was really good, felt damn good coming from a guy who deadlifts 560+

Seated Calf Raise
180 x 10
225 x 10
270 x 8
225 x 8 x 2

Did Pull Thrus, no idea on weight. Sword was showing me how to do them, I think I did em wrong.

Lying Leg Curl
135 x 10 x 2 (PR)
150 x 10 x 2 (PR)

No cardio today =/
Wanted to walk my dogs but it rained all day

[chocolatemilk]

Still 179

Lifts shooting up, but I dunno if Im eating enough. Stable weight likely means fat loss and muscle gained though as my lifts are all increased.

Damn man. Do you see a difference in your physique at all?

[Gonzo14]

Damn man. Do you see a difference in your physique at all?

Not to speak for Shay, but we were talking on another thread about recomp effects he's experiencing.
I feel someone who has a higher BF on any hormonal agent is going to lose BF (unless the cal. intake is incredibly high)
To each his own, but I can't figure out how this is bad, stronger with less BF is generally the overall goal for most of us.
I feel that thinking because there isn't a major difference in the scale the cycle was a failure is wrong, I feel it should matter more in the weight you put up, and how you look in the mirror with scale weight simply as a way to keep information about the cycle.

[ShayZ]

Damn man. Do you see a difference in your physique at all?

Chest seems a lot fuller.
I also measured everything.
Chest, arms, quads all are bigger. Waist at hips and waist at belly is the exact same. So I have definitely LOST fat and gained muscle.

Regardless, I was 182 this morning actually, so I have gained weight now.

Not to speak for Shay, but we were talking on another thread about recomp effects he's experiencing.
I feel someone who has a higher BF on any hormonal agent is going to lose BF (unless the cal. intake is incredibly high)
To each his own, but I can't figure out how this is bad, stronger with less BF is generally the overall goal for most of us.
I feel that thinking because there isn't a major difference in the scale the cycle was a failure is wrong, I feel it should matter more in the weight you put up, and how you look in the mirror with scale weight simply as a way to keep information about the cycle.

Yep, explained it above.
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Side note. i got more blood test done today. Should have the results tomorrow.

Im expecting to see a complete crash of my testosterone. Any guesses? Im going with 75 haha.

Also interested in seeing my liver levels and RBC, wbc, and platelet counts.

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 18 - (Overall: 32 days)

Diet
Dunno,
was 1900 thru to dinner. Then we went to Red Lobster. I ate maybe 1/3 of my food, but Im still sure with eating 1.5 cheddar biscuits I pushed 1200 cals there as their cheddar biscuits are 300 cals each!

Water Intake: 200 Ounces - Does not Include Water Intake at the gym
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Workout

Shoulder was fine this week! YAY! It had bothered me the past few weeks on this exact workout today and no issues today, knock on wood

DB Incline Chest Press
40 x 15 (warm up)
70 x 10
75 x 8 x 2 (PR) - A PR on hypertrophy day, very nice! Coulda easily pushed the 80's up, but didn't think I'd get more than 6 reps out of them.

Preacher Curls SuperSetted with Skullcrushers.
Ok, So I did 1 set of preacher curls andimmediately went to a bench and did skllcrushers. Did this for all 3 sets.
Same #'s as last week. Didn't really try to increase here
Preacher Curl
70 x 10 x 3
Skullcrushers
70 x 8 x 3

Supinating 1 Arm Seated Alternating Curls
35 x 8 x 2
35 x 6

Barbell Flat Bench
Well... I haven't gone to a flat bench except once for a warm up set in the past 2 months or so. So I had no idea what weight to do here...
135 x 10
155 x 8
175 x 6
Little lower than expected especially since I can push 90 lb DB's now, but meh.

Tricep Pushdown Supersetted with DB Hammer Curls
Tricep Pushdowns - New Gym/New Machine.
75 x 10 x 2
Dumbbell Hammer Curls
35 x 10 x 2

Incline Curls
30 x 10 x 2
30 x 8

Dips
3 Sets Bodyweight
10, 10, 10

Reverse Curls
40 x 10
Stopped, felt weird.

Cardio was just a 25 minute walk with my dogs.

[chocolatemilk]

How did the blood test results go?

[ShayZ]

How did the blood test results go?

Since I dont have 50 post yet I cant link images and Im too lazy to upload em... Actually fuk it, here ya go one sec. Lol.

Test SHOT WAYYYYY DOWN. Estrogen Shot way up. Liver levels quite elevated. Everything else normal.

Ill go grab some extra liver support today. But, Ive where the ALT for some people went as high as 200 in 4 week cycles, so im not overly concerned.

Im not a drinker, so my liver is just working harder than it ever has really.

[ShayZ]

no comments on my blood test?
What do you guys think of my liver levels... 4x baseline. Its got me a little worried. I think Ill likely cut the cycle short to 4 weeks not 5.

Still feeling 100% fine though, I just am too worried of liver failure.
I went and bought some Liv 52 though.

[ShayZ]

No Sides at all
I feel fine, but due to high AST and ALT levels I will stop this cycle at 4 weeks. I think it hit me early anyhow as gains are starting to taper down. Weight is shooting up though. I was 186 this morning! Holy smokes! Waist 35", so just .5" increase in the waist in 13 pounds...
Appetite still good, Libidio still good, no headaches, no lethargy, no shut down. Perfectly fine, KNOCK ON WOOD!

I spoke to my mom about AST and ALT levels and she says the 50 and 100 aren't too alarming, especially with a normal biliburin level. She said if bili levels hit 4 or higher thats liver issues.

So i did my own research and found ZERO people with post anywhere who had liver damage from a 4-6 week H Drol cycle. I did see a number with liver shutdown from 4-6 week mdrol, s drol cycles. All had Bili lvels in the 8 all the way upto 40+!!!! their AST and ALT levels were also 250-450+. All recovered just fine by the way.

I keep checking for any liver damage signs like yellowing of the skin, dark urine, pain in abdomen, and all seems fine. So i likely should go 5 weeks, but I just dont wanna risk it. I've gained 13 lbs, and will likely end at 15+ lbs in 4 weeks with minimal if any fat gain so Im fairly content.
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H Drol Cycle: Day 20 - (Overall: 34 days)

Diet

Didn't Log. Went to a graduation party. Ate clean all day, party a little dirty. Nothing horrible though
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Workout

DB Shoulder Press Supersetted with DB Front Raise
1 set Sh. Press, then set of front raise and repeat
Shoulder Press
40 x 12 (warmup)
60 x 10
65 x 8
65 x 6
All 3 sets were super easy to get up, unassisted.
Front Raise
30 x 10 x 3

DB 1 Arm Bent Over Over Supersetted with DB Arnold Shoulder press
DB 1 arm Bent over row
70 x 10
75 x 10
80 x 10
DB Arnold Shoulder Press
40 x 10 x 2 (done easily, did 8 reps last week)
45 x 6 (PR)

Wide Grip Lat Pulldown
Increase of 5 pounds per set here.
140 x 10
155 x 8
165 x 8

DB Shrugs
3 Dropsets in a row
90 x 10
80 x 10
70 x 10

Close Grip (Palms Facing In) Lat pulldown Supersetted with EZ bar Upright Rows
CG Lat PD
Increase of 5 lbs all 3 sets this week.
130 x 10
140 x 10
150 x 10
Ez bar Upright Rows
60 x 10 x 3

Rear Delt Machine
85 x 10 x 2

Low Pulley Row
SIX Drop sets in a row!
150 x 10
135 x 10
105 x 10
90 x 10
75 x 10
60 x 10


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H Drol Cycle: Day 21 - (Overall: 35 days)

Diet

Pretty damn clean all day. Logged it until dinner, then just got lazy.

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Workout

I stubbed my big toe really bad Friday at paintball and the nails likely going to come off. it's damn loose, and bleeds a little.
Due to this, I didn't take it very intensely. I took it light and stuck to movements which wouldnt put pressure on my toe, and no calf excercises obviously.

Hack Squats
90 x 10
180 x 10 x 3

Step Ups
35 Lb DB each hand x 10 x 3

Leg Extension
285 x 12 x 3

Hip Abductor
305 x 10 x 3

Hip Adductor
305 x 10 x 3
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Switching the routine up a bit for Monday and Wednesday
Instead of a 5 x 5 routine Im going to a 8 x 3 routine.
Layne Norton does a 10 sets by 3 reps routine for his power up days, so Ill switch to that similarly.
Also when i worked out with sword_ last week he did a 8 x 2 routine, and dudes strong as phuck!

[762mm]

Good evening Shayz. Were, or are you still taking cycle assist ? I saw your bloodwork results, which are very comperable to mine. My test levels were lowered to 142. / AST 55 / ALT 79 and Bilirubin is 0.2. I compared the both of our bloodwork results are our numbers are not to far off from eachother. I dont know how to post my work or i would proudly display them.

The question for the cycle assist is because I never used it during my cycle of M1,4ADD for 4 weeks and then Superdrone LV for two weeks after, making for a six week cycle.

GOD i loved the gains!!!!!! And i still have a several month supply, but am also holding up until i can bring my liver back to normal. If you were using cycle assist, and i was not, yet we have the near same blood results, should in theory cycle assist can be questioned? Im just wondering because I nearly purchased 2 of the 240caps bottles. Any thought please!!

Thanks and Good Day !

[ShayZ]

Good evening Shayz. Were, or are you still taking cycle assist ? I saw your bloodwork results, which are very comperable to mine. My test levels were lowered to 142. / AST 55 / ALT 79 and Bilirubin is 0.2. I compared the both of our bloodwork results are our numbers are not to far off from eachother. I dont know how to post my work or i would proudly display them.

The question for the cycle assist is because I never used it during my cycle of M1,4ADD for 4 weeks and then Superdrone LV for two weeks after, making for a six week cycle.

GOD i loved the gains!!!!!! And i still have a several month supply, but am also holding up until i can bring my liver back to normal. If you were using cycle assist, and i was not, yet we have the near same blood results, should in theory cycle assist can be questioned? Im just wondering because I nearly purchased 2 of the 240caps bottles. Any thought please!!

Thanks and Good Day !

When was your bloodwork done into the cycle? Was that 2.5 weeks in as well or at the end?

I am still taking 8 pills a day of cycle assist

Everyones different though. Cycle assist is for liver, acne, blood pressure, etc. Not just for liver care.
I will agree though, I dont think its worked as well as I had hoped. I have bought some Himalaya Livercare and been using it since Saturday. Ill get blood test a week after cycles over, so we'll see if that worked better.


You also used much stronger PH's than me, so you've got a good liver it looks lol.

[762mm]

Good Morning ShayZ!
I had my blood work done at the last day of my cycle. My blood pressure was is great standings, and acne? Well i have always had moderate to heavy acne since I was 13, and being now 32, I just dont worry about acne anymore, but it was the liver helping agent in cycle assist that drew me to it. Please let me know how that Himalaya Livercare works out. I am overzealous to start another cycle, but will be wise about it for sure. I have also been looking into a product called Liv-R Clear (spelled just in that way) and curious about that product.

I would love to find a great liver protectant !!

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 22 - (Overall: 36 days)

Diet
Strawberries (50 Cals)
Banana (120 Cals)
1.5 Scoops Allmax Whey (165 Cals)
8 Ounces milk (80 Cals)
Calories: 415

Protein Pancakes
2 Eggs (140 Cals)
1 Cup of Rolled Oats (300 Cals)
1 Banana (120 Cals)
2 Tbsp Honey (120 Cals)
Calories: 680

1 Powerade Protein Bar (210 Cals)
2 Slices Whole Wheat bread (100 Cals)
5 Ounces Deli Ham (150 Cals)
1/3 Cup of Nuts and Raisins (220 Cals)
Calories: 680

PreWorkout
1 Scoop On Hydrowhey (140 Cals)
Calories: 140

Postworkout
1 Scoop Ergoenix Aftermath (153 Cals)
1 Banana (120 Cals)
Calories: 273

Postworkout Meal
2 Fajita Tacos with Chicken breast
No cheese, No sour creams.
Onions, tomato.
Calories: 600?

Dinner:
Shrimp Taco on Whole Wheat Tortilla (350 Cals)
Some Granola Nut Clusters (60 Cals)
Calories: 410

Presleep
8 Ounces Skim Milk (80 Cals)
1 Scoop On Casein (120 Cals)
Calories: 200

Total Calories: 3395
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Workout
Wow... Tried to switch the routine up a tiny bit.

Flat Dumbbell Bench
40 x 15
60 x 3
65 x 3
70 x 3
75 x 3
80 x 3
85 x 3
90 x 3 (Last week this was hard, easy peezy this week)
95 x 3 PR! - (little sloppy, but did em!)

Seated Military Press
Never done these before. After the 3rd set it just felt too uncomfortable.
Im use to dumbbells and going towards my ear, with the bar you have to go forward, so i kept almost grazing the front of my face.
45 x 12
65 x 8
95 x 6

Shoulder Dumbbell Press
65 x 6
65 x 6
So... I told my workout partner to come and help me cause I wouldn't be able to get the 70's up... I was like Ill likely need a little push and probably only get 5 reps, if that....
70 x 10! PR - UNASSISTED!
Got them up EASY! Like I had been doing it for years... I was even talking during the set telling him how I was shocked lol. I talked literally thru the entire set, wasnt even breathing right and busted ut 10 reps easy! Never even put the 70's up before lol.

Incline Bench Press
Now, i dont really use barbells for any type of bench, but my workout partner wanted to do Incline Bench today... Last time I did it was a LONG time ago... Maybe did 135 x 8. So i wont call any of these PR's, but it felt good putting up the numbers I did.
135 x 10
155 x 8
175 x 6
185 x 3 (prob had 1-2 more in me)

Bent Over Barbell Rows
135 x 8
145 x 5
155 x 5
165 x 5
175 x 5
185 x 5 (PR!)

Overall fantastic workout today!

Still no sides, knocking on wood again. Well acne definitely increased. Ive been washing my face 3 times a day and I still get 2-3 new whiteheads every morning. Also acne on my butt, thigh, back, lol. Not crazy but theres some.

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 24 - (Overall: 38 days)

Diet

Didn't log, but here's a couple things I ate. yes Im aware my steak was overcooked.
Scallops and Potatoes. Steak and Brown rice. I had already eaten like 5-6 of the scallops.

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Workout

Well, I potentially messed up my knee, but we shall see... The center of my knee was hurting around the 225 squats, and I really shouldnt have kept going.
It hurt mildly doing Good mornings, quite a bit on the lower portion of Calf raises, and it hurt doing the leg curls. FML.

I took an ice bath and the pains still there. Not bad, I mean I can walk up stairs and I dont feel it at all, but as soon as I apply pressure.... UGH!

Barbell Squats
45 x 10
135 x 10
185 x 5
205 x 3
215 x 3
225 x 3
235 x 3 (PR)
245 x 3 (PR) - (horrible pain on all 3 reps)
I could've easily done 255, and I know I could've, but just said No. I Should've stopped at 225 when the pain started, damnit!

Good Mornings
115 x 8
135 x 6
145 x 5
155 x 5
165 x 5 (PR)

Kneeling Leg Curls
80 x 8
90 x 6
100 x 6
110 x 6
120 x 5

Seated Calf Raise
180 x 10 x 2
Pain just too much, Im done.

Only Cardio was walking my dogs.
I can only hope this gets better. Think ill skip leg day this Sunday and switch the routine up a bit for hypertrophy.

Maybe a Chest/Shoulders Day. Arms day, and a Back day? Dunno. Im so mad right now though.

[votum]

Nice PRs mate! Sorry about the pain, you taking cissus or anything of the sort?

[stxnas]

Hey! Great to see you over here at AM. I would have joined in sooner had I realized you had another log going.

[ShayZ]

Nice PRs mate! Sorry about the pain, you taking cissus or anything of the sort?

I take 2 tabs a day of extra strength glucosamine and condroitn. I figured thats enough? What do you feel? Ill be OK I feel though, I might need to lay off the legs for 2 weeks though. Ill figure it out next week =/

Hey! Great to see you over here at AM. I would have joined in sooner had I realized you had another log going.

No problem! Im probably gonna buy some HGHPro Soon, prob after this PCT is over. Or maybe during cause I heard Nolva makes it hard to sleep sometimes =/

[Gonzo14]

No problem! Im probably gonna buy some HGHPro Soon, prob after this PCT is over. Or maybe during cause I heard Nolva makes it hard to sleep sometimes =/

I recommend during PCT, so you can keep/continue gains through PCT, also aid in losing any extra BF gained during the cycle. just IMO.

[votum]

Yeah if there is such a thing I would consider labelling HGHPro as a wonder drug lol...it literally has tons of positive benefits, and I can't recall ever seeing a negative to it. It's my favorite

HGHPro + nyquil and benadryl = best sleep ever.

[ShayZ]

Switched the routine up due to the injured knee.

Did Chest and Shoulders today...

Back tomorrow. Bis and Tris Sunday Or I might do Bis and Back tomorrow and then triceps and abs Sunday. Very weird setup, but meh.

Ill likely keep off leg excercises next week as well. I should be able to mantain the muscle just eating, but I guess well find out 2 weeks from now when I do legs again. I just dont wanna risk injuring it.

Excercises

Incline DB Bench
40 x 15
75 x 8 x 2
80 x 8 (PR!)

Shoulder DB Press
40 x 12
65 x 8 x 3
Supersetted with
Front Raises
30 x 10 x 3

Ez Bar Upright Rows
60 x 10
70 x 10 x 2 (PR!)

Incline DB Fly
35 x 10
40 x 8

DB Fly
40 x 8

Hammer Strength iso Lateral Decline Press
90 x 10
140 x 8
180 x 6 x 2

Flat barbell Bench Warmdown
135 10

DB Shrugs
80 x 8 x 3
Was working on Grip so I held the DB's for 20 seconds after the end of each set.

[ShayZ]

Well yesterday i did Back and Biceps. I think my biceps are my weak point as I dont really go up in weight on them at all. But I for the first time ever did Bicep Dropsets yesterday, and for 4-5 hours post workout my Bis were still tight. In fact when I flexed my bicep on either arm it was REALLY tight, and almost hurt lol. So hopefully I found what makes them grow.

Excercises

Hammer Curl
20 x 15
35 x 10 x 2
40 x 6
Dropset to
30 x 8

EZ Curl bar preacher Curls
40 x 10
75 x 10
75 x 9 x 2

Sated Alternating DB Curls
35 x 8 x 3
Dropset to
30 x 8

DB Incline Curl
30 x 10
35 x 7
35 x 6
Dropset to
30 x 6

Wide Grip lat Pulldown
140 x 10
155 x 8
170 x 8 (PR)

Dual Pulley Low Row
80 x 10
90 x 10

Pullups
2 Sets of 10

Close Grip Plams In Lat Pulldown
130 x 10
145 x 10
160 x 10 (PR)

Hyperextensions
45 x 10 x 2
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Today is the last dosing of H Drol

[Gonzo14]

I think my biceps are my weak point as I dont really go up in weight on them at all.

no Barbell curls? very different from DB curls believe it or not. If you wanna add size and strength to your bi's def. consider adding those in. Also i've found that arm's grow best with high rep high intensity short rest workouts, hit them and get out kinda deal.
just food for thought.
solid gains, looks like you had one hell of a ride, interested to see final stats.

[votum]

Yeah arms are like legs imo, high reps work better, which means dropsets work great. I have no clue what a drop set is anymore after someone mention stripper runs, which sound like what I do as drop sets, but meh.

I like picking a heavy weight for db curls, busting out as much as i can, and then going to grab the next lower size, and do that to failure until I hit the lowest db. You look AWESOME hitting failure with a 5 or 2 lb db lol.

And second for bb curl, it's completely different, kinda weird.

[ShayZ]

Top part is the precycle pics, bottom is post cycle

I gained some fat as my stomach at belly button went from 34.5 to 35.5 inches.

173 to 187 in 4 weeks at 3500 cals a day avg.

PCT started today. Nolva went down easily. No sides to report yet.

Ill post an initial review of H Drol by tomorrow.