H Drol Calls! First PH Cycle. Join me!

[Gonzo14]

Love to see new PRs on squats. When that happens, you know your working hard! Keep working on that squat, more than likly when you see a big dude, he's got a bigger squat!
way to do work

[ShayZ]

Looking good man, I like the focus there...I would go for a PR lol o.O

Haha I considered it. But knew id only be able to knock maybe 6 out at best so thats not optimal for my goal on this workout.

Love to see new PRs on squats. When that happens, you know your working hard! Keep working on that squat, more than likly when you see a big dude, he's got a bigger squat!
way to do work

I measured my quads.... They were 22" precycle... 23.5" already! woah!

[tl100proof]

nice....

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 13 - (Overall: 27 days)

Diet

The hell if I remember.... It was around 3500 cals though.
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Workout

Sorry for not updating this yesterday. Was too lazy to log all my macros, but I did of course log my workout.

DB Shoulder Press Supersetted with DB Front Raise
1 set Sh. Press, then set of front raise and repeat
Shoulder Press
40 x 12 (warmup)
60 x 10 x 2 (Did 8 reps here last week)
65 x 8 (PR) - (Did 60 x 6 here last week)
All 3 sets were super easy to get up, unassisted.
Front Raise
30 x 10 x 3 (Same as last week, had an incredible pump in my shoulders and delts)

DB 1 Arm Bent Over Over Supersetted with DB Arnold Shoulder press
DB 1 arm Bent over row
70 x 10
75 x 10
80 x 10
DB Arnold Shoulder Press
35 x 10 x 2
40 x 8 (PR) - I had 10 in me, but shoulders were pretty fried already.

Wide Grip Lat Pulldown
135 x 10
150 x 8
160 x 8
Increased the 2nd and 3rd set by 5 lbs this week from last

DB Shrugs
Just 2 sets this week. A set with a drop set
90 x 10
Dropset to
70 x 10

T Bar Row
90 x 10 x 2

Close Grip (Palms Facing In) Lat pulldown Supersetted with EZ bar Upright Rows
CG Lat PD
Increase of 5 lbs all 3 sets this week.
125 x 10
135 x 10
145 x 10
Ez bar Upright Rows
60 x 8 x 3

Rear Delt Machine
85 x 10 x 2

I also took my first ever ice bath yesterday. Ice Baths are soooooo rejuvenating!

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 14 - (Overall: 28 days)

Diet

Upon Waking up:
2 Scoops ON Whey (240 Cals)
8 Ounces Skim Milk (80 Cals)
1 Banana (120 Cals)
1 Cup Strawberries (50 Cals)
Calories: 490

Meal 1:
Protein Pancakes:
1 Cup oats (280 Cals)
3/4 Banana (90 Cals)
3 Egg White, and 1 Egg (125 Cals)
1/2 Scoop Allmax Whey (55 Cals)
1.5 Tbsp Honey - 90 Cals
Calories: 640

Pre Workout:
1 Scoops ON Whey Protein Shake (120 Cals)
Calories: 120

Post workout:
Ergogenix Aftermath Blue Raspberry PWO Shake (153 Cals)
Mini protein Bar (90 Cals)
Calories: 243

30 Mins Post Workout:
10 ounces Pan Fried Tilapia (350 Cals)
Nuts and Raisins (150 Cals)
Calories: 500

Meal:
400 Cal Chicken and Ham Sandwich
Calories: 400

Dinner:
Mushroom Soup (100 Cals)
Chicken Sandwich (350 Cals)
Calories: 450

2nd Dinner:
Clif Bar (240 Cals)
1/2 Chicken Sandwich (225 Cals)
Calories: 465

Presleep:
1 Scoop ON Casein (120 Cals)
Calories: 120

Total: 3428

Water Intake today: 200 Ounces - Doesn't include water intake at the gym
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Workout

Left workout a little early at the end. had pretty intense back pumps. Last week I had them but they were worse this week. Lasted about 20-30 mins post workout. I only had 60 ounces of water before I hit the gym today so maybe that was the issue? Dunno. Fuking killer though.

Hack Squats Supersetted with Seated Calf Raise
1 set Hack Squat then go do seated calf raises. 1 Minute break and repeat.
Hack Squat
140 x 10 (warmup)
200 x 10
220 x 10
250 x 8 (PR)
Seated Calf Raise - No Bounce, slow controlled reps.
180 x 12
225 x 12 x 2

Leg Extensions supersetted with Lying Leg Curls
Leg X
285 x 12 x 3 (Machine max)
Lying Leg Curls
120 x 10 x 3

Leg press supersetted with Calf Raises on the leg press
Leg press - Knees to Chest
6 plates x 10
Calf Raises
6 plates x 12

As stated, I didnt finish this out. Back pumps were a bit too much. Plus I was pretty gassed at this point.

[Gonzo14]

Not enough water could def. be the reason your back pumps are worse. water, potassium and taurine should take care of it, if not well. thats very odd, it cures most peoples.

[ShayZ]

Too sleepy. Diet not logged. Memorial Day = Ribs, Corn on the cobb, pork, beef, felt good man.

H Drol Cycle: Day 15 - (Overall: 29 days)

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Workout


Flat Dumbbell Bench
75 x 10
80 x 8
85 x 6 (PR)
90 x 3 (PR) - Probably shouldnt have gone for the 90's but I wanted to see if I could do it. Was actually surprised to push them up. Felt really good

Shoulder Dumbbell Press
50 x 10
60 x 6 x 3
65 x FAIL
Ok, I went to a new gym. The seats had the straight back, but the actual seat portion like curved upwards. Making my posture very awkward. I felt as if I was gonna fall off the front and lose my balance the entire time. I dont think strength was down, I blame the seats and I think they may've gotten to me as well.

Bent Over Barbell Rows
No back pumps today. had them yesterday. Weird. The back pumps also only happen in my lower back, so maybe its only when i work my lower back? Dunno.
135 x 8
155 x 6
165 x 6 (PR)
175 x 6 (PR)

Barbell Shrugs
175 x 8 x 5

Wide Grip Pullups
Assisted, 2 sets of 10. Hang at the bottom, all the way to the top as far as its possible to go without doing a powerup.

[Gonzo14]

No back pumps today. had them yesterday. Weird. The back pumps also only happen in my lower back, so maybe its only when i work my lower back? Dunno.

I'm not sure, so dont quote me but Back pumps i think have something to do with the kidneys and the water that develops around them.

[votum]

What's your weight sitting at now?

[ShayZ]

What's your weight sitting at now?

Still 179

Lifts shooting up, but I dunno if Im eating enough. Stable weight likely means fat loss and muscle gained though as my lifts are all increased.

[tl100proof]

yeah man ive noticed once you get used to a certian gym and their style of equipment, going to a new one can make some lifts feel akward. Nice log. cant wait to see the after pics. I did a Mdrol cycle a year ago and it made a huge differance. I might try this depending on how yours turns out.

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 17 - (Overall: 31 days)

Diet

Upon Waking up:
1.25 Scoops ON Whey (150 Cals)
6 Ounces Skim Milk (60 Cals)
1 Banana (120 Cals)
1 Cup Strawberries (50 Cals)
Calories: 380

Meal 1:
2 Slices Double Fiber Wheat bread (100 Cals)
2 tbsp Natural Peanut Butter (200 Cals)
Sugar Free Jelly (25 Cals)
Rice Cakes (100 Cals)
Calories: 425

Meal 2:
Clif Bar (240 Cals)
Chik Fil A Sanwich on Wheat (450 Cals)
Calories: 690

Meal 3:
2 Eggs, 2 Slices Whole Wheat Toast, 1 Slice 2% Cheese - 400 Cals
Calories: 400

Meal 4:
Tandoori Chicken (300 Cals)
Calories: 300

Pre Workout:
1 Scoops ON HydroWhey Protein Shake (140 Cals)
Calories: 140

Post workout:
Ergogenix Aftermath Blue Raspberry PWO Shake (153 Cals)
Banana (110 Cals)
Calories: 263

Dinner:
1 Cup of Brown Rice (220 Cals)
Rice Cakes (100 Cals)
1/3 Chicken (400 Cals)
Calories: 720

Presleep:
1 Scoop ON Casein Cookies n Cream (120 cals)
8 Ounces Skim Milk (80 Cals)
Calories: 200

Total: 3518

Water Intake today: 200 Ounces - Doesn't include water intake at the gym
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Workout

Power Up Legs! Some PR's, but Squats was more of a form workout. I was working out with sword_ from the other forum I visit, and he was showing me some things and giving me tips on my deadlifts and squats. Dude squats 445 for reps, and deadlifts 550+

Barbell Squats
135 x 10
205 x 6
215 x 5
225 x 5 x 3 (PR)
Could've hit 235, maybe more, but as I said, form technique was key.

Deadlifts
135 x 10
225 x 5
245 x 5
265 x 5 (PR)
275 x 5 (PR)
Could've gone for 295 here. Sword_ told me my form was really good, felt damn good coming from a guy who deadlifts 560+

Seated Calf Raise
180 x 10
225 x 10
270 x 8
225 x 8 x 2

Did Pull Thrus, no idea on weight. Sword was showing me how to do them, I think I did em wrong.

Lying Leg Curl
135 x 10 x 2 (PR)
150 x 10 x 2 (PR)

No cardio today =/
Wanted to walk my dogs but it rained all day

[chocolatemilk]

Still 179

Lifts shooting up, but I dunno if Im eating enough. Stable weight likely means fat loss and muscle gained though as my lifts are all increased.

Damn man. Do you see a difference in your physique at all?

[Gonzo14]

Damn man. Do you see a difference in your physique at all?

Not to speak for Shay, but we were talking on another thread about recomp effects he's experiencing.
I feel someone who has a higher BF on any hormonal agent is going to lose BF (unless the cal. intake is incredibly high)
To each his own, but I can't figure out how this is bad, stronger with less BF is generally the overall goal for most of us.
I feel that thinking because there isn't a major difference in the scale the cycle was a failure is wrong, I feel it should matter more in the weight you put up, and how you look in the mirror with scale weight simply as a way to keep information about the cycle.

[ShayZ]

Damn man. Do you see a difference in your physique at all?

Chest seems a lot fuller.
I also measured everything.
Chest, arms, quads all are bigger. Waist at hips and waist at belly is the exact same. So I have definitely LOST fat and gained muscle.

Regardless, I was 182 this morning actually, so I have gained weight now.

Not to speak for Shay, but we were talking on another thread about recomp effects he's experiencing.
I feel someone who has a higher BF on any hormonal agent is going to lose BF (unless the cal. intake is incredibly high)
To each his own, but I can't figure out how this is bad, stronger with less BF is generally the overall goal for most of us.
I feel that thinking because there isn't a major difference in the scale the cycle was a failure is wrong, I feel it should matter more in the weight you put up, and how you look in the mirror with scale weight simply as a way to keep information about the cycle.

Yep, explained it above.
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Side note. i got more blood test done today. Should have the results tomorrow.

Im expecting to see a complete crash of my testosterone. Any guesses? Im going with 75 haha.

Also interested in seeing my liver levels and RBC, wbc, and platelet counts.

[ShayZ]

H Drol Cycle: Day 18 - (Overall: 32 days)

Diet
Dunno,
was 1900 thru to dinner. Then we went to Red Lobster. I ate maybe 1/3 of my food, but Im still sure with eating 1.5 cheddar biscuits I pushed 1200 cals there as their cheddar biscuits are 300 cals each!

Water Intake: 200 Ounces - Does not Include Water Intake at the gym
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Workout

Shoulder was fine this week! YAY! It had bothered me the past few weeks on this exact workout today and no issues today, knock on wood

DB Incline Chest Press
40 x 15 (warm up)
70 x 10
75 x 8 x 2 (PR) - A PR on hypertrophy day, very nice! Coulda easily pushed the 80's up, but didn't think I'd get more than 6 reps out of them.

Preacher Curls SuperSetted with Skullcrushers.
Ok, So I did 1 set of preacher curls andimmediately went to a bench and did skllcrushers. Did this for all 3 sets.
Same #'s as last week. Didn't really try to increase here
Preacher Curl
70 x 10 x 3
Skullcrushers
70 x 8 x 3

Supinating 1 Arm Seated Alternating Curls
35 x 8 x 2
35 x 6

Barbell Flat Bench
Well... I haven't gone to a flat bench except once for a warm up set in the past 2 months or so. So I had no idea what weight to do here...
135 x 10
155 x 8
175 x 6
Little lower than expected especially since I can push 90 lb DB's now, but meh.

Tricep Pushdown Supersetted with DB Hammer Curls
Tricep Pushdowns - New Gym/New Machine.
75 x 10 x 2
Dumbbell Hammer Curls
35 x 10 x 2

Incline Curls
30 x 10 x 2
30 x 8

Dips
3 Sets Bodyweight
10, 10, 10

Reverse Curls
40 x 10
Stopped, felt weird.

Cardio was just a 25 minute walk with my dogs.

[chocolatemilk]

How did the blood test results go?

[ShayZ]

How did the blood test results go?

Since I dont have 50 post yet I cant link images and Im too lazy to upload em... Actually fuk it, here ya go one sec. Lol.

Test SHOT WAYYYYY DOWN. Estrogen Shot way up. Liver levels quite elevated. Everything else normal.

Ill go grab some extra liver support today. But, Ive where the ALT for some people went as high as 200 in 4 week cycles, so im not overly concerned.

Im not a drinker, so my liver is just working harder than it ever has really.

[ShayZ]

no comments on my blood test?
What do you guys think of my liver levels... 4x baseline. Its got me a little worried. I think Ill likely cut the cycle short to 4 weeks not 5.

Still feeling 100% fine though, I just am too worried of liver failure.
I went and bought some Liv 52 though.

[ShayZ]

No Sides at all
I feel fine, but due to high AST and ALT levels I will stop this cycle at 4 weeks. I think it hit me early anyhow as gains are starting to taper down. Weight is shooting up though. I was 186 this morning! Holy smokes! Waist 35", so just .5" increase in the waist in 13 pounds...
Appetite still good, Libidio still good, no headaches, no lethargy, no shut down. Perfectly fine, KNOCK ON WOOD!

I spoke to my mom about AST and ALT levels and she says the 50 and 100 aren't too alarming, especially with a normal biliburin level. She said if bili levels hit 4 or higher thats liver issues.

So i did my own research and found ZERO people with post anywhere who had liver damage from a 4-6 week H Drol cycle. I did see a number with liver shutdown from 4-6 week mdrol, s drol cycles. All had Bili lvels in the 8 all the way upto 40+!!!! their AST and ALT levels were also 250-450+. All recovered just fine by the way.

I keep checking for any liver damage signs like yellowing of the skin, dark urine, pain in abdomen, and all seems fine. So i likely should go 5 weeks, but I just dont wanna risk it. I've gained 13 lbs, and will likely end at 15+ lbs in 4 weeks with minimal if any fat gain so Im fairly content.
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H Drol Cycle: Day 20 - (Overall: 34 days)

Diet

Didn't Log. Went to a graduation party. Ate clean all day, party a little dirty. Nothing horrible though
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Workout

DB Shoulder Press Supersetted with DB Front Raise
1 set Sh. Press, then set of front raise and repeat
Shoulder Press
40 x 12 (warmup)
60 x 10
65 x 8
65 x 6
All 3 sets were super easy to get up, unassisted.
Front Raise
30 x 10 x 3

DB 1 Arm Bent Over Over Supersetted with DB Arnold Shoulder press
DB 1 arm Bent over row
70 x 10
75 x 10
80 x 10
DB Arnold Shoulder Press
40 x 10 x 2 (done easily, did 8 reps last week)
45 x 6 (PR)

Wide Grip Lat Pulldown
Increase of 5 pounds per set here.
140 x 10
155 x 8
165 x 8

DB Shrugs
3 Dropsets in a row
90 x 10
80 x 10
70 x 10

Close Grip (Palms Facing In) Lat pulldown Supersetted with EZ bar Upright Rows
CG Lat PD
Increase of 5 lbs all 3 sets this week.
130 x 10
140 x 10
150 x 10
Ez bar Upright Rows
60 x 10 x 3

Rear Delt Machine
85 x 10 x 2

Low Pulley Row
SIX Drop sets in a row!
150 x 10
135 x 10
105 x 10
90 x 10
75 x 10
60 x 10


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H Drol Cycle: Day 21 - (Overall: 35 days)

Diet

Pretty damn clean all day. Logged it until dinner, then just got lazy.

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Workout

I stubbed my big toe really bad Friday at paintball and the nails likely going to come off. it's damn loose, and bleeds a little.
Due to this, I didn't take it very intensely. I took it light and stuck to movements which wouldnt put pressure on my toe, and no calf excercises obviously.

Hack Squats
90 x 10
180 x 10 x 3

Step Ups
35 Lb DB each hand x 10 x 3

Leg Extension
285 x 12 x 3

Hip Abductor
305 x 10 x 3

Hip Adductor
305 x 10 x 3
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Switching the routine up a bit for Monday and Wednesday
Instead of a 5 x 5 routine Im going to a 8 x 3 routine.
Layne Norton does a 10 sets by 3 reps routine for his power up days, so Ill switch to that similarly.
Also when i worked out with sword_ last week he did a 8 x 2 routine, and dudes strong as phuck!