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    I know, I realize that I'm only cheating myself by abandoning the two biggest mass building exercises (squats and deadlifts) but I keep insisting on not exhausting myself with them. I'm going to try to find a place to add both of them in. I noticed when I incorporated deadlifts that my bench press went up about 15 pounds (probably due to an increase in testosterone).



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    Originally Posted by GymRat7197 View Post
    I know, I realize that I'm only cheating myself by abandoning the two biggest mass building exercises (squats and deadlifts) but I keep insisting on not exhausting myself with them. I'm going to try to find a place to add both of them in. I noticed when I incorporated deadlifts that my bench press went up about 15 pounds (probably due to an increase in testosterone).
    yeah that is pretty interesting! maybe just your whole body got stronger. i love all power lifting to build that really powerful solid base for body building. I saw your thread about prime. my friends have used it and they think its ok. 40 year old men said it makes them feel 20. my friends are 20 and dont knowtice much.... but me and a few of my friends have tried diesel test hardcore, and OMG. that stuff is no joke!

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    Diesel test hardcore, eh? I'll search it.

    I hear a lot of guys that don't know much recommending stuff. Like someone telling me to try "dat dur cell tech". This is the same guy whom is 17 (he's a genetic freak, that makes him look big) but he doesn't know the difference in a compound and isolation movement, doesn't know what "volume" or "intensity" is, the principles in progressive resistance or progressive overload, etc. he's ran D-BOL twice and doesn't even take a cycle assist or PCT and it ONLY 17! He's annoying because he gives advice to younger guys and it's always horrible.

    What was your experience with the diesel stuff?

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    Originally Posted by GymRat7197 View Post
    Diesel test hardcore, eh? I'll search it.

    I hear a lot of guys that don't know much recommending stuff. Like someone telling me to try "dat dur cell tech". This is the same guy whom is 17 (he's a genetic freak, that makes him look big) but he doesn't know the difference in a compound and isolation movement, doesn't know what "volume" or "intensity" is, the principles in progressive resistance or progressive overload, etc. he's ran D-BOL twice and doesn't even take a cycle assist or PCT and it ONLY 17! He's annoying because he gives advice to younger guys and it's always horrible.

    What was your experience with the diesel stuff?
    yeah i know what your saying. or those scrawny kids in the gym giving advice to their friends about how to get big. LOL.

    with DTH i put on 12lbs in 1 month. Of course kept it all, no sides, no suppression, just a little bit of backne here and there and a lot of aggression. If you work be careful at work with this stuff it gives you a short fuse! I liked 2 tabs a day, anything more and I would seriously get too aggressive and sometimes almost violent. 2 a day was crazy for libido and semen volume also. more than 2 a day seems to lessen libido and increase aggression.

    Some people think the 12 lbs i put on were noob gains. My first 4 months of lifting i put on 40 lbs. (check the log in my signiture) I hit a plateau at around 150lbs, for a good week or two i didnt make any gains, than i took Diesel Test and smashed through my plateau, my first week i think i gained like 4-5 lbs! I gained a total of 12 lbs that month.

    Everyone responds different so dont take my word for it that THAT WILL HAPPEN for you too. My friends responded well to it also, but they dont train as hard as me! They were basically just using it to get that alpha male feeling and start fights and arguements. I think they each gained a couple pounds over average that month. (mine probably was part noob gains, but regardless i broke a plateau!)

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    Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    yeah i know what your saying. or those scrawny kids in the gym giving advice to their friends about how to get big. LOL.
    I'm with ya.

    Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    with DTH i put on 12lbs in 1 month. Of course kept it all, no sides, no suppression, just a little bit of backne here and there and a lot of aggression. If you work be careful at work with this stuff it gives you a short fuse! I liked 2 tabs a day, anything more and I would seriously get too aggressive and sometimes almost violent. 2 a day was crazy for libido and semen volume also. more than 2 a day seems to lessen libido and increase aggression.
    It seems like it's a testosterone booster from my search?

    A lot of guys were saying prime was a fraud.

    Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    Some people think the 12 lbs i put on were noob gains. My first 4 months of lifting i put on 40 lbs. (check the log in my signiture) I hit a plateau at around 150lbs, for a good week or two i didnt make any gains, than i took Diesel Test and smashed through my plateau, my first week i think i gained like 4-5 lbs! I gained a total of 12 lbs that month.
    I know how you feel, I put on about 40 pounds in my first four months too, I started out at 125 pounds, this was about May of 2005, by December I was 170. I continued to bulk to 205 then cut down to 185, where I am now. We are the same height.

    Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    Everyone responds different so dont take my word for it that THAT WILL HAPPEN for you too. My friends responded well to it also, but they dont train as hard as me! They were basically just using it to get that alpha male feeling and start fights and arguements. I think they each gained a couple pounds over average that month. (mine probably was part noob gains, but regardless i broke a plateau!)
    I need something to help surpass my 275 bench, a close to 400 lb deadlift wouldn't hurt either ;-).

    I have reached a SERIOUS plateau.

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    i would try dth then. 42$ gets you basically a 2 month supply. It is a natty test booster, and our test levels are running at optimum performance, but it covers so many basis and is the most complete test booster IMO. It frees up test from sex hormone binding globulin (shbg) which renders the test useless, it stops aromitization, it has tribulus, it convers LH into test (that is why there is a loss of libido at higher dosages), it provides serious aggression, it has crazy NO production, semen volume is off the charts! its like everythign you could possably want, they dont show the ingredients on NP anymore, but on the bottle the ingredients list is so freaking long!!!!!!!!!

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    Okay heres what I would suggest you try for a workout:
    Routine:

    Day 1: Chest and Biceps
    Preacher curl DB preacher curls 1 set
    standing Barbell curl 1 set or standing DB curls (pick your favourite )
    DB bench press 1 set (elbows at 45 degrees out)
    Incline DB bench 1 set
    Flat DB flies 1 set

    Day2:Legs, Abs
    Squats 1 straight set, 1 widowmaker
    Leg press 1 set.
    Abs exercise of your choice

    Day3: Back, Triceps, Forearms
    Rack Deads 1 set
    1 arm row 1 set
    Wide grip pull downs 1 set
    Skull crushers 1 set
    Tricep pushdowns 1 set
    Reverse cable curls 1 set

    Day5: Shoulders, Abs
    DB Shoulder press 1 set
    Behind the neck press 1 set
    Abs exercise of your choice


    Im guessing you are a fan reasonably high volume workouts? so im guessing this will seem like not enough volume (it will to most people), just make sure the workout is god dam intense, By using only 1 set per exercise, you can ensure you give that exercise your absolute all, this makes it easy to judge how well you are doing and to ensure continual progression. This workout layout also allows you to train abs twice a week, which is always good unless you have particulaly bad recovery ability.

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    you should post some before pics up! by the end of this log you'll hit your goals for sure, the guys on this websight... some of them are pure genious, i could not have put on 40lbs in 4 months while staying under 10% bf if it wasnt for them!!!!

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    Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Okay heres what I would suggest you try for a workout:
    Routine:

    Day 1: Chest and Biceps
    Preacher curl DB preacher curls 1 set
    standing Barbell curl 1 set or standing DB curls (pick your favourite )
    DB bench press 1 set (elbows at 45 degrees out)
    Incline DB bench 1 set
    Flat DB flies 1 set

    Day2:Legs, Abs
    Squats 1 straight set, 1 widowmaker
    Leg press 1 set.
    Abs exercise of your choice

    Day3: Back, Triceps, Forearms
    Rack Deads 1 set
    1 arm row 1 set
    Wide grip pull downs 1 set
    Skull crushers 1 set
    Tricep pushdowns 1 set
    Reverse cable curls 1 set

    Day5: Shoulders, Abs
    DB Shoulder press 1 set
    Behind the neck press 1 set
    Abs exercise of your choice


    Im guessing you are a fan reasonably high volume workouts? so im guessing this will seem like not enough volume (it will to most people), just make sure the workout is god dam intense, By using only 1 set per exercise, you can ensure you give that exercise your absolute all, this makes it easy to judge how well you are doing and to ensure continual progression.
    random i dont understand your workout you suggested. you mean like 1 working set of rest pause with like 3 warmup sets? because your basically suggestion he does only 3-6 sets per day?!?!?!?!? i do like 16-20 sets a day

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    I'll read some reviews, at age 19 I feel my testosterone levels should be pretty high already. Especially after I incorporate squats and deadlifts. I just need to break this 275 plateau!!!

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    Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Okay heres what I would suggest you try for a workout:
    Routine:

    Day 1: Chest and Biceps
    Preacher curl DB preacher curls 1 set
    standing Barbell curl 1 set or standing DB curls (pick your favourite )
    DB bench press 1 set (elbows at 45 degrees out)
    Incline DB bench 1 set
    Flat DB flies 1 set
    No access to any dumbells at the moment, plus I'm trying to break a barbell plateau anyway. I'm wanting to do reps with 225 again.

    Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Day2:Legs, Abs
    Squats 1 straight set, 1 widowmaker
    Leg press 1 set.
    Abs exercise of your choice
    I workout at home, no access to a leg press machine.

    Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Day3: Back, Triceps, Forearms
    Rack Deads 1 set
    1 arm row 1 set
    Wide grip pull downs 1 set
    Skull crushers 1 set
    Tricep pushdowns 1 set
    Reverse cable curls 1 set
    Can't do rack deadlifts, pullups are overall better than pulldowns seeing that involve more of the core. I have no problem with skull crushers or tricep pressdowns; however, dips involve more of the core so it's more preferred.

    Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Day5: Shoulders, Abs
    DB Shoulder press 1 set
    Behind the neck press 1 set
    Abs exercise of your choice
    Behind the neck presses aren't my thing.

    Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Im guessing you are a fan reasonably high volume workouts? so im guessing this will seem like not enough volume (it will to most people), just make sure the workout is god dam intense, By using only 1 set per exercise, you can ensure you give that exercise your absolute all, this makes it easy to judge how well you are doing and to ensure continual progression. This workout layout also allows you to train abs twice a week, which is always good unless you have particulaly bad recovery ability.
    I really prefer 2-4 sets of 4-6 reps personally; however, I appreciate the suggestions.

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    Originally Posted by GymRat7197 View Post
    I'll read some reviews, at age 19 I feel my testosterone levels should be pretty high already. Especially after I incorporate squats and deadlifts. I just need to break this 275 plateau!!!
    Do those rack deads and the squat and widowmaker with all out intensity, you should easily brake through the plataue like it wasnt even there

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    Okay, good luck anyway

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    Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    you should post some before pics up! by the end of this log you'll hit your goals for sure, the guys on this websight... some of them are pure genious, i could not have put on 40lbs in 4 months while staying under 10% bf if it wasnt for them!!!!
    That's what I need! 10% bodyfat! I just need more mass at the moment.

    I have before / after pics, but the before pics were taken while I was 17 and the after pics while I was 18. The most recent after pic I have is the one I had displayed on my avatar. If you view my MySpace, there's a back / trap / and calf picture. There's also my display picture in which I was just relaxed in my hallway before my workout.

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    Originally Posted by GymRat7197 View Post
    I'll read some reviews, at age 19 I feel my testosterone levels should be pretty high already. Especially after I incorporate squats and deadlifts. I just need to break this 275 plateau!!!
    yeah im 21 and my test levels are maxed, but DTH did do something for me for sure! probably crippling the shbg, stoping est conversion, and converting LH helped a lot with the aggression.

    it probably didnt necessarilly boost my test. it just got my body using it optimally! like im sure i didnt produce any more test, i was just using it most efficient. My body is probably already maxed out on test production!

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    Purely out of interest what do you think it converted your lh to?

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    Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    it probably didnt necessarilly boost my test. it just got my body using it optimally! like im sure i didnt produce any more test, i was just using it most efficient.
    Yeah, good point. I might run a routine which requires squatting 3 times per week, almost like a powerlifting set up to try to catch my lower body up with my upper body. Plus, it'll increase testosterone. I'm going to go with this chest / biceps, back / triceps, etc. set up at the moment though.

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    nah i mean take a picture RIGHT NOW. and that is the before pic for this log!!!!!!!!

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    Originally Posted by Random181 View Post
    Okay, good luck anyway
    NP, thanks for your suggestions, I appreciate it. If you see something I may be doing wrong in my training, I welcome any suggestions from anyone that thinks they can enhance my method.

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    Originally Posted by buster0371 View Post
    nah i mean take a picture RIGHT NOW. and that is the before pic for this log!!!!!!!!
    Ah, I catch your drift. I will indeed get some pictures to consider "before pictures" then compare them in around December.

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