And the journey begins...
- 03-13-2009, 12:26 AM
I do not do shrugs but they are filling in, just got compliments today. They get worked pretty well on shoulder day and back day, but it is an individual thing.
My split is:
and T or W I rotate hitting legs or back again-OMEGA RecoverBro-
When an omega male is born it's game over
- 03-13-2009, 12:42 AM
03-13-2009, 12:47 AM
03-13-2009, 11:37 AM
i would do your deadlifts on back day and try to go as heavy as possible. My traps actually started to grow just with alot of deadlifts. It's personal choice but i find that my traps grow fine from just deadlifts. Perhaps concentrate on deadlifts and then every other week throw in some shrugs. when i did do traps directly, i usually did them on shoulder day. hope i could help buddy.
03-13-2009, 05:51 PM
thanks for the suggestions guys! also.. i am thinking about switching to like a mass building workout split.. not sure what it would look like. all i do know is i am not gaining **** with the 5 day split. and no strngth at all.. its rediculous and very frusterating i dont understand what i am doing wrong
03-13-2009, 06:02 PM
i work my back/bi's together like you do, and throw in rear delt work, because its really adding in one more exercise. also, for chest/tri's, i throw in my front and mid delts (two more exercises). if you're doing secondary work anyways (pairing back and biceps), you might as well hit the other secondary muscle (rear delts). same for chest/tri's. that was the advice given to me, and its paying off.
training traps is the only way to build them. shy of really heavy deadlifts (when you train to absolute failure), there's nothing else that will get your traps to grow. i see where he's coming from though.
03-13-2009, 06:05 PM
03-13-2009, 10:10 PM
before i lift i eat usually a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, after i just eat supper and what not
03-13-2009, 10:19 PM
03-13-2009, 10:38 PM
i will have to start trying that see if it makes a noticble difference. also dude i am having just the toughest time adding any strength or size to my lifts i dont know what i am doing wrong bro!
03-13-2009, 11:59 PM
start out with weights you can get 6 reps on. the next time you try that workout, try for 7 reps. if you can't get 7, do negatives after your set. the following workout, 8 reps, etc. once you get to 10 reps, add more weight, and drop down to 6 reps again. sometimes its easier having a fixed goal, or knowing that you should be progressing, to help force yourself to do so. other than that, i don't know what to say.
03-14-2009, 12:04 AM
i think i have elminated the calorie thing because when i was takming in like 3-5k cal i was gaiining alot of fat, and very little muscle..
03-14-2009, 11:24 AM
03-14-2009, 01:09 PM
i think i have a few different factors i have identified.. one- diet, two- inproper training. i am going to start eating 3400cals a day (as clean as a i can) i figured out that i need about 2900 a day to maintain so i am bumping it up to 3400 a day, also i figured out that while i was eating a unclean 4-5k a day that it was just turning to fat, i would eat usually 900-1300 cal meals.. rediculous when i look back.. i am not aiming for 6 meals a day around 550 each meal, wich will be very easy to do for me.
As far as the training i am not quite sure on what it is there, i think i am going to look in DC training and maybe if i like what i see, give that a go.
03-14-2009, 02:07 PM
03-15-2009, 12:14 AM
03-15-2009, 12:18 AM
03-15-2009, 08:01 PM
Alirght so after http://dc-training.blogspot.com/2005...continues.html i have decided that i am going to try it. Looks very intense and have read alot of success from it. i think that i have the base of it down however i am an sure on a couple of things. for example on bench it says 11-15 Rp, now does that mean everything? (flys, db press, incline, regular) also do all of the exersizes use the rep then puases (15 sec breathing) i didnt see anything about that, only with chest. so was unclear as of that.
03-15-2009, 08:48 PM
well, the routine is basically really confusing, if you're not used to it. you will pick one exercise per body part trained, and do as many reps as possible (try for failure). usually this falls in the 8-10 rep range - if you can do more reps, you need to up the weight. then you take 15 deep breaths (30 seconds) and do this again. this time, you'll hit 4-6 reps. 15 more deep breaths, and one more time, now hitting 2-3 reps.
going off standard training principles, you're building mass (rep range 8-12), strength (4-6 rep range) and explosive strength (1-3 rep range). the trick is to always push yourself - you're competing against a log book that records what you did on any given day.
man, this is really hard to explain, and while i understand the concepts, i've never done this training exactly according to the rules. you could ask some questions in the "anything and everything DC" thread, and they'll get back to you.
here's another DC thread that's a little easier to understand.
03-15-2009, 09:04 PM
03-15-2009, 09:11 PM
03-15-2009, 09:14 PM
i think it would be a great program to gain mass. I steal some of the principles in my current program but i'm still not following the tried and true DC training.
03-15-2009, 09:25 PM
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