Haha sounds like a plan man, good luck if you ever got questions just shoot me a message.
Any thoughts on adding some USPLabs Anabolic Pump & Recreate to my regiment?
I'm seeing lots of good reviews, but I know USP has a tendency to whore out their free product in exchange for those. Lol.
GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS!!!
I say go with the recreate, just make sure your diet is in check before you start anything. I think people feel their is a magic pill they take and the fat flies off, but it just isn't true.
I actually had a guy the other night ask me what I did to lose weight, cut, whatever you wana call it. I told him, "diet, relentless, unwavering diet." His response was, "thats exactly what I didn't want to hear." I was a little thrown off by this, but I think is the general population's sentiment. Everyone wants the effect, but isn't willing to put in the time for the cause. -- Sorry to go off on a tangent.
Use Recreate, i have had great results from it. Stack it with green tea extract and DCP. I also had great results on LR.
I have never used Anabolic Pump, so I guess my question is the same as your's in regards to that sup.
Pauly - Thanks for your input. Can you describe your experience with recreate a little for me?
As far as diet goes - I have really cleaned it up lately. I believe that I have a good macro balance with very clean calories. I've dropped about 60 lbs over the last year and people at work keep wanting to know what my magic pill is as well. No one wants to work for results. Those are the people that drive me in the gym. Oh, and my girlfriend who told me I would never be able to look like some of the people on these boards because of my "genetics". **** that. I'm doing it.
I'm just hoping to find something that will help me off this plateau I've hit..
really just change things up for 4-6 weeks. that should break the plateau regardless of supplements.
change things up how? Do I really have to bulk now before I can continue to cut?
not really, but make a significant shift in workout routine and diet for a little while. go to a sub 75g of carbs a day diet, change your rep ranges (up or down doesn't matter), switch from barbells to dumbbells, etc. its more about breaking your body's adaptation to your current regimen. bulking a little first would not hurt, but you dont have to.
its hard to switch to bulking, I know. I was 245 a year and a half ago at like 50% bf having done nothing for physical activity for almost 20 years (since high school ended).... I got as low as 185 and around 15-16% bf, and have now bulked back up to 200 at the same bodyfat, and will go a little higher before starting a slow measured cut to get to 10% or so. this last month of bulking has not been easy
I like recreate because it doesn't give me the stim feeling others do. It is a controlled feeling. Their aren't really any "experiences", no jitters, no craziness. I just am not as hungry, and my body likes whatever else is in recreate and rewards me by losing fat. I don't know what else to tell ya. It is good ****e.
Also DCP- warms me up and really keeps me sweaty during a workout. --Helps with the whole fat loss.
It is good stuff.
Also, you're not alone. I have been told I would never get where I am as well. Genetics is huge, don't get me wrong, but you can outwit them.
Be sure to drink lots of water with any supplement you take, like DCP, Recreate, anything like that, helps to keep your liver and kidneys happy.
Also, try increasing your carbs hard core one day. Research carb loading. Once your body is kinda shot, and has gotten accustomed to your new diet, it will level off. To help break this, I will go to a Sunday brunch buffet, and eat myself retarded, then go to the gym and lift as heavy as I can. This usually helps me press the reset button on my body. Or flip flop, for a week, try to eat more carbs, and kinda trick your body that way. Do a little poking around on the site, and you will see a ton of ideas. I like the brunch.
Switch up your workouts every 4-6 weeks. Do something a little different. I actually like to switch it up a little each workout. I stick to the same core, but with little stuff I like to switch. Take shoulders for instance, I have kind of a solid idea of what i need to do: Press, rear delt, full body press, side raises, rear delt. So usually i start with a rear delt after I warm up, sometimes flies, sometimes iso, or bent over cable cross. For my presses i like seat military -behind the neck one week, infront the next, seated dumbbell, smith machine press, arnolds. For my body press I like to do clean and presses, or push presses. Side raises i go between cable in front, cable behind, dumbbell, laying on my side, etc. And then whatever i didn't do for my rear delt in the beginning i do at the end. Rear delts are a stick point for me, so i have to work them harder to get growth. But as you can see, i have a lot of different stuff that gets all the same jobs done, so i switch it up every week or every other, that way I never really see a long lasting stall in growth.
Just a thought- make a list of exercises you can do for each body part, then make a schedule of when you want to switch it up, or when you are going to do something new. Keep a log of everything. I have logs dating back from when I was a senior in high school.
Plateaus are very common, Try Diff rep variations, For Example... Slower/Faster Tempo, Supersets (One Set right after the other to keep your heart up as well as burning calories, best for staying lean), Tri Sets (3 Sets in a row something like front raises,lat raises, rear delt raises/presses), Drop Sets (Hitting heavy on the 6-8 reps then dropping the weight off by about 1/2 and hitting it hard with 10-15reps, great for exhaustion and last sets of your workout), or Dumbbell to Barbell, or Inc More Machines, or Diff Angles, For Example if you always do Hammer Curls or Bicep Curls standing try on an incline bench, Those are the good ones.
You guys rock my world. Thanks for all the great advice. I'm stoked again. I've been slowly losing motivation as this plateau has grown longer and longer. Now I'm pumped to try these new things and beat this. For myself, and all the haters/naysayers out there.
I have a quick question for anyone who knows the answer...
I'm trying to cut right now while preserving (or gaining) muscle. So naturally I decided to go with an AP/Recreate stack. I have heard rave reviews about these products individually and even better while they are stacked. The only thing I hear negatively (in my opinion) about the Recreate is in the energy and appetite suppressant categories. Now, I've been an ephedrine/stimulant junkie for a while now, and because I don't get much sleep, I rely on my stims to get me through my work day alert and focused. Is it a problem to take a low dose of ephedrine or hydroxycut in the mornings with these USP products? I just don't want to hurt my stack progress or my body.
Other supps i take in case it matters or you have any advice include:
-Flax Seed Oil
-Creatine (I have both ethel-ester and Pre-Alkalyn 1500. Which should I be using?)
-BCAA's (approx 20g/day)
-3300 Elite (hi-healths version of Nitrix by BSN)
STOP using stimulants. STOP relying on ephedrine for weight loss. STOP dosing all stimulants...let your body recover first before you continue on.
Thanks for all the sarcasm. That will help me to have a better day and I assume it has already made you feel much better about yourself...
By naturally, I didn't mean it couldn't be done without supps, i just meant, if i was looking for a supp stack to help, that was a pretty good and/or obvious choice from everything I have read about it.
Nowhere did I mention that I rely on stims for fat loss, and I dont. I just live an extremely strenuous lifestyle and work a **** ton of hours and the only way for me to get more sleep would be to cut out my gym time. So I use stims to allow me to stay alert and focused while I am on the clock. The "Junkie" term was just a joke to let you know I've used them for a while. I take them first thing in the morning when I get up and that's it.
...And I'm sure you're right. Protein, creatine, and BCAA's are just "everything else". They are not at all staples for building/preserving muscle. My bad...
really too though, inadequate sleep robs you of the ability to maximize muscle growth. So i'd defintiely stick with separate bulk phase and cut phase as you will need the help if you arent getting 8 hours + a nite.
I am cutting. Not bulking. But I am just trying to cut without losing muscle. Simple as that. Want to get my bf% down while maintaining what muscle i have.
Really all I was wondering was about the effect the stims and the USP products might have on each other...
Of course, being fairly new to all this, I am ALWAYS open for advice and constructive criticism, assuming it can be done without trying to make people feel stupid... ::cough cough::
On a side note, dat, I know you are a well respected member of this community and I don't mean to knock that. Just use some tact man. Don't make people afraid to ask questions by answering them with sarcasm and rudeness.
LEARN, TEACH, LEAD
Quick fixes...and hope. Thats what people are buying most of the time.
Then I pick up a MD magazine and I see an ad that claims Powerful is "just like & even better than Growth Hormone"...
I'm not bagging on this company...shoot I bought up plenty of Powerful when it was sold in bulk by NP. But its not better than GH.
SO now I'm suppose to apologize because I hurt your feelings. But let me ask you did you ever post up your diet in this thread?
I understand you posted the macros but you never identified the foods you eat and meal structures. You don't think its important?
I know you want to use AP but have you ever used a glucose disposal agent? Have you ever manipulated the Glycemic load with fiber?
Do you know what carbs make the smallest impact on blood glucose? For that matter what is your normal blood glucose pattern between meals?
What is your meal spacing?
At what points during your day do you expend the most energy? Do you match those moments in time with the proper fuel?
At what points in the day are you using carbs for energy? When are you using fat for energy?
Do you eat a lot of eggs? Are you natural or are you a steroid user? Again do you eat eggs?
Are you using high GI carbs PWO or mid GI carbs post workout?
Do you rely on shakes for meals? Does the protein you use have an impact on blood glucose levels or is it slower digesting. If you use a shake why do you use it in place of whole foods?
Blah, blah, blah...
Diet is important.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED WHEN THINGS STALL!
You were correct about one thing. I had no business sticking my nose into your thread and abusing your illusions.
Finally bro you don't owe me any respect so please don't give it to me. If you feel like saying f@ck off Dat...then do it. Here I'll do it for you ..."Dat go f@ck yourself! You are one condescending muthaf@cker. What you think I didn't already know all that? I was asking about supplements. This is for you Dat"
Feel better? I do. That was kinda fun. "Dat you are a condescending muthaf@cker." Yep I think I kinda is!
Come on bro lighten up ...I already have.
I just want to give you a quick response and then be done with the pissing contest.
First of all, I have worked my ass off in the gym for the last year to finally do something about my weight problem. In fact, I recently realized I was overtraining and working MUCH HARDER than I even needed to. I tell you this because it bothers me that you are so quick to lump me into the category of fat lazy f#cks that want a magic pill to make them Muscle Mag's cover model. I don't and I am not at all afraid to shed some blood, sweat, and tears for results.
Also, I do not in any way try and portray myself as a fitness expert, physiology brainiac, or nutritionist. I have done a lot of reading and research on the things that interest and pertain to me and my goals, but there is a vast amount of knowledge left for me to soak up. That's why I spend at least an hour a day browsing the AM forums.
No I did not. I asked a question. That was merely it. If i did not provide enough info for you to answer it, then by all means, let me know what I neglected and I would gladly provide the necessary info.But let me ask you did you ever post up your diet in this thread?
I never claimed you had no business in my thread. I'd be a fool to post something in a public domain and not want people to get involved. It sucks that the "one thing I was right about" was something I didn't even say, nor do I feel that way...You were correct about one thing. I had no business sticking my nose into your thread and abusing your illusions.
This is not at all what I was intending to say to you. In fact I believe just a few posts ago in this thread I thanked you and all the other responders for the wealth of information and encouragement. I do respect you and everyone else in this community that has the dedication to the sport of bodybuilding or just nutrition/health in general. Like I said, I spend hours browsing this and other sites trying to soak up a small percentage of what you and others like you already know. It is worthy of respect.Finally bro you don't owe me any respect so please don't give it to me. If you feel like saying f@ck off Dat...then do it. Here I'll do it for you ..."Dat go f@ck yourself! You are one condescending muthaf@cker. What you think I didn't already know all that? I was asking about supplements. This is for you Dat"
Feel better? I do. That was kinda fun. "Dat you are a condescending muthaf@cker." Yep I think I kinda is!
Really, all in all, I was merely pointing out that when you do attack someone with sarcasm and make them feel stupid for asking a question, it is only going to encourage people to go out and buy supplements they know nothing about, but are too afraid to ask so they trust product marketing campaigns. Its exactly what you said you are tired of, yet your lack of tact enforces it.
I asked the same question in a different AP thread and this is the response I got from Mullet. The funny thing is, he advises pretty much the same thing, just in a much more considerate way:
Many of the complaints from ReCreate, ironically, stem from users who have used the more stimulant-based ECA stack. I say ironic, as such a stack, while effective, is often counterproductive in the context of fat loss. Sleep is the greatest aid to both muscle preservation and fat loss - beyond what any supplement may contribute. Keeping that in mind, we deliberately designed ReCreate to supersede these adverse effects. In my opinion, I would avoid the EC/Hydroxycut, and enjoy the undisturbed sleep one may attain with ReCreate.
In terms of focus and energy, ReCreate provides clean sustainable energy via endogenous beta-2 agonism. Rather than synthetically stimulate adrenergic (energy) receptors, ReCreate increases levels of the master adrenergic hormone and neurotransmitter - Norepinephrine. This produces very clean, very sustainable energy without the crash which comes adjacent with most fat-burners.
Further, ReCreate increases levels of the active T3, and promotes conversion of the somewhat inactive T4. This obviously produces affect on nutrient metabolism, but significantly contributes to stable energy levels as well. I think if you were to cut out the more 'hardcore stimulants' for some time, you would actually realize your need for them was born out of adrenergic fatigue!
This all creates a confluent effect on fat loss - both direct stimulation of lipolysis (fat loss) via the above mentioned mechanisms, but also by utilizing the body's already VERY potent fat loss mechanisms. Some may not realize it, but your body liberates stored triglycerides into Fatty Acids during the night. It is known as nightime lipolysis. Without adequate levels of sleep, this process is perturbed, and you miss out on all that fat loss! I guarantee you: Lay off the stimulants for awhile, and you will NOT be disappointed with ReCreate.
I really like Mullet. He's very knowledgeable...even tempered...patient... with the ability to kick some @ss when appropriate.
Of course he is more considerate. You're a potential customer.
I on the other hand have nothing to sell you.
I learned a long time ago that it doesn't matter what the intent was...what matters is how it was perceived. You perceived my comments as making you "feel stupid for asking a question". So I apologize. I do not think you are a fat lazy bastard. I know that you are someone who has made very good gains in your transformation. I am not belittling you. To the extent that I have come across as diminishing you or your efforts I apologize.
I like you. I respect you. No worries bro.
I really appreciate the response man. Thanks for clearing up the drama. LoL.
I will definitely take your advice on that. I'm even going to try really hard not to picture "Bobo" as a grown man with big floppy shoes, a red foam nose, and white face paint, that goes around touching little boys.Do yourself a favor. Skip all of the reading on supplements on this forum for lets say the last couple of years and go back into the archive. Look for posts by Bobo...you'll learn a lot & from them you'll pick up on a few other knowledgable guys including the very knowledgeable "alan aragon". All those posts/threads from back then are gold brother.
Thanks for the props on the gains (or good losses actually). I appreciate it.