My college professor told me...
- 05-07-2008, 10:23 PM
My college professor told me...
I was told by a college professor that working muscle groups once per week won't get the job done. He told me to work out every other day doing all muscle groups. He also told me that by doing one set per muscle group you get 80% of your value, 2 sets 15% and 3 sets 5%.
Also I was told that not counting your calories is fine.
Does anyone agree with these things???
- 05-07-2008, 10:41 PM
i hope hes not a professor in sports or nutrition science. i doubt that everyone on AM as well as every other bodybuilding site has been doing it wrong for all these years and hes just 400 pounds of shredded muscle ready to win the next 110 years of the olympia. sorry, it just goes against everything ive learned here, and ver the course of my journey for more muscle.
- 05-07-2008, 10:44 PM
05-07-2008, 10:46 PM
05-07-2008, 10:47 PM
05-07-2008, 10:48 PM
05-08-2008, 12:04 AM
What determines whether it's been "done"?
I want to know what question he thinks he's answering.
Sorry, maybe I'm tired or distracted or something, but this just makes no sense to me, unless he's saying the first set on a bodypart gains the most benefit (I'd want a good breakdown on how that's supposed to work, 'cause it's arguable either way IMO)
05-08-2008, 12:52 AM
05-08-2008, 01:12 AM
Variety is the key to lifting - preventing your body from adapting to a specific routine. Full body wo's can be one phase of doing that, but I think just about every pro out there has done a split routine at some point - it allows you to better emphasize your different muscle groups.
Also, keeping at least a vague idea of your caloric intake is really beneficial. Crap if I didn't, I'd still weigh 180, and at 6'4", that's skinny. Wanna gain muscle? Gotta eat the right amount and right macronutrient ratio.
Your Prof doesn't have the whole picture. But it's not the first time a teacher didn't know his stuff - good job for doing some research on your own.
05-08-2008, 01:50 AM
05-08-2008, 08:53 AM
05-08-2008, 10:12 AM
A rough calorie count every day is not "essential" if you're a mesomorph and sprout muscle everytime you lift. But it's key to achieving your goals if you're truly serious.
Full body workouts 3 times a week is one way to go about it. Look up the HST routine, its pretty much what he's talking about. However, there is absolutely nothing wrong with focusing on specific muscle groups each day either.
As far as each successive set providing less "bang for your buck". That doesn't make sense. So according to him, its not worth doing more than one set per muscle group? So I'm only getting a good workout if I do one set of ten reps for bench press? Or is he referring to exercises? As in you get less from your second and third exercise.
I'd find a new adviser for your lifting/nutrition goals.
05-13-2008, 05:38 PM
05-13-2008, 05:56 PM
05-19-2008, 12:29 AM
I think exactly 0% of pro bodybuilders are doing full-body, 3x/week.
It's also a misnomer to say that there is a single, best routine for everybody. There are many approaches that can work, and none of them are going to be optimal if used continuously.
05-22-2008, 10:38 AM
I have had this debate before. The age old question:
What's better, single set or multi-set training?
The research doesn't really say what a bodybuilder wants to hear. Most of the initial studies were done with weight lifting novices, and those studies showed that people who followed a single set protocol improved in strength just as much as the people who followed a multi-set protocol. For a while we could just look back at those studies and say, "OF COURSE NOVICES ARE GOING TO IMPROVE! IT WON'T MATTER HOW THEY TRAIN!" Then a study was conducted with experienced weight lifters - same procedure (single vs multi set). This study, suprisingly, revealed similar results.
A couple of typical ACSM studies on the issue:
I have also heard this. With greater volume training, we attain greater improvement up to a point where extra sets just don't do anything. Well, why not put the above percentages into perspective. Imagine a guy bench pressing, and trying his hardest to add poundage to the lift. The guy doing sets with 100lbs will improve an extra 5% by doing a 3rd set than the guy who does 2 sets. In theory he will gain an extra 5lbs on his bench with his next 1RM. Not very dramatic. With greater poundages, that 5% benefit adds up. The guy that does sets with 200 lbs improves 10 lbs on his next 1RM. The guy that does sets with 300 lbs improves 15 lbs on his next 1RM. I know that doesn't actually happen, as we exhibit less and less improvement as we progress to elite levels of fitness.He also told me that by doing one set per muscle group you get 80% of your value, 2 sets 15% and 3 sets 5%.
The bottom line is this: When being strong is your business, the small percentage improvements seen with greater training volume are vital. The olympian that lifts 1 more pound than his peers wins a gold medal.
That being said, I don't think the natural athlete can stay at a high volume training routine over his lifespan without risking chronic injury to his joints. It might not be a bad idea to cycle through periods of lower training volume (like 1 set or 2 sets) during some parts of the year just to preserve our bodies in the long run. I read this YESTERDAY and it really has me thinking:
05-23-2008, 10:01 AM
So If I wanted to put muscle on fastest I should probally stick with high volume??
And he also siad that by doing a body part once a week you'll never increase your strength. But he also siad he wanted to put size on me first...so I think he was talk about strength and size.
05-23-2008, 11:15 AM
he is clueless. there are many ways to acheive the same goals. high volume will likely treat you well
05-23-2008, 11:16 AM
ArE yOu A nEwB? LoLz!
If so then anything is going to work. Beginners probably don't need to just work out 1 body part/day.
Hypertrophy-specific training typically involves fairly high volume.
I have noticed that if I work a compound movement 2x in a week as opposed to once, I get stronger WAY faster.And he also siad that by doing a body part once a week you'll never increase your strength.
Sounds like he's trying to put you on a periodization-type plan. You start with a hypertrophy phase, and gradually build up to a strength training phase, and you continually cycle these two. The progression is usually high volume low intensity at first, and by the end it's low volume high intensity. That's how most competing athletes train, I don't know if body builders use the periodization model as much.But he also siad he wanted to put size on me first...so I think he was talk about strength and size.
05-24-2008, 08:34 AM
As interested as I am in this, there's just nowhere to take it without some actual information: Snuggles, can you take a shot at giving us some context for him saying this? I mean, he didn't just walk up out of the blue, spout this, then walk away, right? What went down? Script it for us, please.
05-24-2008, 09:03 AM
I would say that your professor is not smart soley on the fact that he thinks one protocol is optimal for everyone. However, I would not say he is 100% wrong about anything he said.
05-24-2008, 10:15 AM
05-24-2008, 10:40 AM
05-24-2008, 10:53 AM
05-24-2008, 02:32 PM
Well if you do it the way his professor is talking about, then you should be able to.Yeah, my point being that there is some truth to saying working muscle groups twice a week is more efficient. Problem is that not everyone will have the recovery time necessary to do so and will most likely be overtraining.
THe guy is saying to only do 1-2 sets PER muscle group. Let that sh!t sink in! I do 9-12 sets (of a variety of exercises) per muscle group.
If you only do 1 set of bench press on Monday, you WILL be able to do it again on Wednesday. I'm going to be bold and say that everyone can recover from a single set over a period of 2 days.
05-24-2008, 03:59 PM
05-25-2008, 11:07 AM
I was gonna say his approach is not a bad one. There is all sorts of ways to skin a cat, so the sayin goes. I was thinking that this profs recommendations actually sound pretty interesting and I might give it a try for a little while.
Do all sorts of power movements for a full body workout. My goals have changed a little though as I am trying to be more powerful for fighting, not for show.
05-25-2008, 01:41 PM
there is a difference between a human health professional and a human performance professional. they could have (and probably will) have different views and opinions, neither are wrong, in their respective "jurisdiction."
DO NOT over think training. Go to the gym, train, eat right, sleep a lot, relax and smile.
Best of luck my friend!
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