Hi Joe and pnavar: It's day 35 for me and 10.8 lbs lost (down to 131.4 lbs); pnavar was right when he said losing 10-15 lbs for women would take the whole 42 days. Thought for sure I would be at goal 127 lbs by day 30.
I have had stalling all this week and even a gain but I am sticking to it. My strength training is going well and the loss is great for the definition. I have never had cut arms! Fun to see.
I am reading up on South Beach and have an telephone conference next week re Stage 3with my doc; honestly I'm scared of regaining. What's the truth? Am I going to gain 4, 5, 7 bls even if I stick to a healthly diet like South Beach and add daily cardio? I want to be realistic - going from 500 cal/day to 1200 cal/day - How can I not regain? Please advise.
Also, what appetite suppressants are you prescribing? and what psyillium seeds/power are you recommending? (I tend to be super sensitive to most Rx) I have been using benefiber in my water. It bloats me tremendously. Hate it.
Another ? - I suffer from chronic constipation naturally; this diet has made me more irregular than I already am. I drink about 64 oz of water/day. I currently drink senna tea and take 500 mg of Mg twice a week at night. With this I go once a week. Any suggestions?

I thought HCG was illegal or unattainable?

Can't PM.

Hi Dr. Navar:

Thanks for the encouragement. So far I am maintaining - bouncing from 131-133. I like skim cottage cheese, skim string cheese, almonds, pistashios, hard boiled eggs (like the white only and eat small portions). When I become more confident I want to add my high fiber cereal w/skim milk.

Do you ever recommend to your patients that have 5-7lbs additional to lose after a first round to do a second round of hCG (23 days)? If so, how long after first round?

Taking Magnesium 500 mg twice a day, senna herbal laxative, Fiber One supplements and lots of H20 to help with the regularity. Still having problems. Any advice? Thank you,

Hi Mpamelat. I don't understand why you just don;t read the book "pounds and inches". It is free and everything is in it. You can read it fully within 60 minutes, and be gone are most of your fears.

Originally Posted by Conciliator

Don't think so. Research shows that in adults, hCG has no effect on the blood levels of free fatty acids or glucose. If you want something to stimulate lipolysis, take ephedrine and caffeine, not hCG.

I think it is very ignorant to just suppose that all research being done, is done honestly and correctly. Bad science happens all the time and for many reasons. It is very clear that the researchers who researched the HCG Diet dit NOT follow Dr Simeons protocol. And once you have read that book (pounds and inches) you understand that you must follow the protocol EXACTLY. "Even seemingly insignificant deviations, particularly those that at first sight seem to be an improvement, are very liable to produce most disappointing results and even annul the effect completely.", that is what Dr. Simeons said. So how can you trust researchers who did not follow the protocol, but just injected HCG and gave a 500 cal diet? That obviously does not work.

I did the diet, and lost fat big time, without hunger. And it is just crazy that this diet isn't conventional yet, while it should be worldfamous! I know online and in real life many people who did this very successfully also. The HCG has NO negative side effects, even all the skeptical researchers admitted that! Really folks, this stuff works better then ANYTHING else. And I am saying this as someone who experienced this diet myself, nothing else. Nobody can make money of you if you do this diet. The book "pounds and inches" is free! The HCG you order has to be from abroad or by prescription because the FDA doesn't allow it to be sold for weight loss purposes. Not because it is unhealthy--that is "proven" scientifically. But, as you might understand why, what is more reliable and important to me, is it that it is proven by decades of personal experiences. So I suspect that fat and addicted people are just too good of a business. The only ones who are earning money on it are clinics. But that is a luxury. I just did it by myself, and my costs were 80 dollars for 33 lbs of weight lost in 45 days. To me that is a bargain. I'd pay 8000 or more if that would be necessary, but it is not fortunately!!!

There are people, believe it or not, who desire you to also be without unwanted fat, and to also be healthier and happier. The sooner that happens the better isn't it? It is a joy because your fat will disappear exactly from the places you don't want it, and redistributes evenly. And that is just cheerful! And during the diet you might really get a sense of the difference between physical and emotional desire for food. And let me tell you, it is very interesting to experience that for yourself. That is why I think appetite suppressants like hoodia are just unwise to use during this weight loss diet. Yes, it might also dissipate the emotional desire, bit then you lose the learning experience. You will NOT experience hunger if you follow the protocol. If you do have it, you do not use real HCG, or you burned all your abnormal (the opposite of functional) fat. The HCG only works when you have abnormal fat. When that is gone you will immediately be hungry again. And if you have taken the time to read the book (ALWAYS DO THIS BEFORE YOU START), you would know that by then, you have to stop immediately with the 500 cal diet and up it to 800 cal a day until you had a total of 23 HCG shots.

All the people who are condemning it NEVER tried it. And I understand that they do this, because it is not conventional. The telly didn't tell you that it is real, so it must not be real then. But it is very real, don't just believe me, do yourself a favor. Google it, Youtube it, try it. You will be glad you did it. Secondly..... Follow the protocol exactly!

It is crazy how the world is currently. Big pharma, big government, big lying central bankers, big fat people on MSG laden addictive junkfood. Oke, back to the diet.

The HCG protocol of Dr. Simeons (forget about all the other variants on it if you ask me) resets your metabolism, get's rid of your abnormal fat, makes you understand yourself and your desires better, and makes you healthier (just stay away from unnatural sweets, use Stevia instead).

Sounds to good to be true so it must not be true? Ah! Oke, then that is the truth you'll get. But if you start reading the book (just 60 tot 90 minutes minutes read), and you order your HCG from somewhere you trust it, you will lose the fat! No matter how fat (or skinny but with unevenly spread fat) you are. Dr. Simeons also invented the cure for malaria, and was very respected.

Oh, and stop being square, while you are at it.

Peace

it works.if you want more info pm me i have a clinic and can get started today

Originally Posted by mpamelat

Hi Joe and pnavar: It's day 35 for me and 10.8 lbs lost (down to 131.4 lbs); pnavar was right when he said losing 10-15 lbs for women would take the whole 42 days. Thought for sure I would be at goal 127 lbs by day 30.
I have had stalling all this week and even a gain but I am sticking to it. My strength training is going well and the loss is great for the definition. I have never had cut arms! Fun to see.
I am reading up on South Beach and have an telephone conference next week re Stage 3with my doc; honestly I'm scared of regaining. What's the truth? Am I going to gain 4, 5, 7 bls even if I stick to a healthly diet like South Beach and add daily cardio? I want to be realistic - going from 500 cal/day to 1200 cal/day - How can I not regain? Please advise.
Also, what appetite suppressants are you prescribing? and what psyillium seeds/power are you recommending? (I tend to be super sensitive to most Rx) I have been using benefiber in my water. It bloats me tremendously. Hate it.
Another ? - I suffer from chronic constipation naturally; this diet has made me more irregular than I already am. I drink about 64 oz of water/day. I currently drink senna tea and take 500 mg of Mg twice a week at night. With this I go once a week. Any suggestions?

The speculation in the book goes as follows regarding weight gain. Although you're consuming 500 calories, you're releasing much more daily with the HCG, so it's equivalent to a 1,500-2,000 cal diet. When you discontinue the HCG and consume more calories, you end up with little net effect. At this point, you need to focus on maintaining through diet and exercise.

As far as digestive issue, I would check out Gut Health by RPN. It's a really solid product to use in addition to extra fiber.

Originally Posted by bassieapie

I think it is very ignorant to just suppose that all research being done, is done honestly and correctly. Bad science happens all the time and for many reasons.

I'll tell you what's even more ignorant: assuming that something is the case when you have zero research supporting your position, and a lot of research opposing your position. It's morons like you who will discount every study against your claim without having a single reference supporting your claim. Tell me. Why was the study I posted bad science? I bet you didn't even look at it.

Originally Posted by bassieapie

It is very clear that the researchers who researched the HCG Diet dit NOT follow Dr Simeons protocol.

What researchers are you talking about? What studies? How did they not follow Simeons protocol?

I'm sure you can't answer these questions, because you don't have a clue. You just throw the claim out there to try to discount all the research that has shown that hCG does jack **** for fat loss, or fat redistribution, or hunger, or mood. You've lost a ton of weight because you were on a protein sparing modified fast. If you had given yourself injections of water instead of hCG, the results would have been the same. How do I know that? Because that's exactly what controlled resesrch has shown will happen. For example: "Weight loss was identical between the two groups, and there was no evidence for differential effects on hunger, mood or localized body measurements. Placebo injections, therefore, appear to be as effective as HCG in the treatment of obesity."

Originally Posted by bassieapie

And once you have read that book (pounds and inches) you understand that you must follow the protocol EXACTLY. "Even seemingly insignificant deviations, particularly those that at first sight seem to be an improvement, are very liable to produce most disappointing results and even annul the effect completely.", that is what Dr. Simeons said. So how can you trust researchers who did not follow the protocol, but just injected HCG and gave a 500 cal diet? That obviously does not work.

This is such a lame argument. If the hCG does something, then why doesn't it show up in the research? Because of "insignificiant deviations"? Give me a break. Deviations like what?

Originally Posted by bassieapie

I did the diet, and lost fat big time, without hunger. And it is just crazy that this diet isn't conventional yet, while it should be worldfamous! I know online and in real life many people who did this very successfully also. The HCG has NO negative side effects, even all the skeptical researchers admitted that! Really folks, this stuff works better then ANYTHING else. And I am saying this as someone who experienced this diet myself, nothing else. Nobody can make money of you if you do this diet. The book "pounds and inches" is free! The HCG you order has to be from abroad or by prescription because the FDA doesn't allow it to be sold for weight loss purposes. Not because it is unhealthy--that is "proven" scientifically. But, as you might understand why, what is more reliable and important to me, is it that it is proven by decades of personal experiences. So I suspect that fat and addicted people are just too good of a business. The only ones who are earning money on it are clinics. But that is a luxury. I just did it by myself, and my costs were 80 dollars for 33 lbs of weight lost in 45 days. To me that is a bargain. I'd pay 8000 or more if that would be necessary, but it is not fortunately!!!

As someone who "experienced this diet yourself," you still have no clue if the hCG added anything that the diet wouldn't have done by itself. Do you not realize that? That's why they do controlled research[/URL]... which has shown it adds NOTHING. When examined as a whole, what do they shom? "We conclude that there is no scientific evidence that HCG is effective in the treatment of obesity; it does not bring about weight-loss of fat-redistribution, nor does it reduce hunger or induce a feeling of well-being."

Originally Posted by bassieapie

There are people, believe it or not, who desire you to also be without unwanted fat, and to also be healthier and happier. The sooner that happens the better isn't it? It is a joy because your fat will disappear exactly from the places you don't want it, and redistributes evenly. And that is just cheerful! And during the diet you might really get a sense of the difference between physical and emotional desire for food. And let me tell you, it is very interesting to experience that for yourself. That is why I think appetite suppressants like hoodia are just unwise to use during this weight loss diet. Yes, it might also dissipate the emotional desire, bit then you lose the learning experience. You will NOT experience hunger if you follow the protocol. If you do have it, you do not use real HCG, or you burned all your abnormal (the opposite of functional) fat. The HCG only works when you have abnormal fat. When that is gone you will immediately be hungry again. And if you have taken the time to read the book (ALWAYS DO THIS BEFORE YOU START), you would know that by then, you have to stop immediately with the 500 cal diet and up it to 800 cal a day until you had a total of 23 HCG shots.

You are such a moron. hCG has no lipolytic effect. It does not have any bearing on where you lose fat, which will come off in a genetically predetermined order.

Originally Posted by bassieapie

All the people who are condemning it NEVER tried it. And I understand that they do this, because it is not conventional. The telly didn't tell you that it is real, so it must not be real then. But it is very real, don't just believe me, do yourself a favor. Google it, Youtube it, try it. You will be glad you did it. Secondly..... Follow the protocol exactly!

Wrong. I am not condemning it because it is unconventional. I am condeming it because SEVERAL CONTROLLED STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT ADDING HCG TO THE DIET CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You're turing a blind eye to all the evidence that's capable of evaluating what hCG adds, while relying on anecdote, which can't tell you anything reliable about it.

Originally Posted by bassieapie

It is crazy how the world is currently. Big pharma, big government, big lying central bankers, big fat people on MSG laden addictive junkfood. Oke, back to the diet.

The HCG protocol of Dr. Simeons (forget about all the other variants on it if you ask me) resets your metabolism, get's rid of your abnormal fat, makes you understand yourself and your desires better, and makes you healthier (just stay away from unnatural sweets, use Stevia instead).

You exemplify the general public... people who buy into all the crap they're fed, people who are too stupid to interpret scientific research, people who ignore all the evidence that's reliable in exchange for evidence that's inherantly unreliable. It's pathetic. Simeons protocol does jack **** to "reset" your metabolism. It doesn't do anything to target abnormal fat. All you're doing is going on a severe diet, a PSMF, while deluding yourself into thinking that hCG is working magic when it's not doing a damn thing that an injection of water wouldn't do.

Originally Posted by bassieapie

Sounds to good to be true so it must not be true? Ah! Oke, then that is the truth you'll get. But if you start reading the book (just 60 tot 90 minutes minutes read), and you order your HCG from somewhere you trust it, you will lose the fat! No matter how fat (or skinny but with unevenly spread fat) you are. Dr. Simeons also invented the cure for malaria, and was very respected.

I'm sure he "cured" malaria, just like he "cured" obesity, lol. It's unbelievable that people buy into this idiocy.

Originally Posted by badfish51581

The speculation in the book goes as follows regarding weight gain. Although you're consuming 500 calories, you're releasing much more daily with the HCG, so it's equivalent to a 1,500-2,000 cal diet.

Yeah, except that it's not equivalent to anything but what it actually is. Although you're consuming 500 calories, you're releasing NO more daily with the HCG, so it's equivalent to a 500 cal diet. hCG does not have a lipolytic effect. It has no effect "in the treatment of obesity; it does not bring about weight-loss of fat-redistribution, nor does it reduce hunger or induce a feeling of well-being."

Like I said, if you want something to mobilize fat or suppress hunger, take ephedrine and caffeine, not a placebo called hCG.

Sorry badfish51581 I wanted to email or send a pm...can't do that yet. I have read some of your post about HCG diet. I am contemplating going ahead with the HCG following Dr Simeon's protocol. Based on reports you have gotten from people, what is the MOST reliable source for ordering the HCG?

Any thoughts and or suggestions you have please send my way.

Julie

pnavar,

Thank you for your posts, they are interesting & informative. Will you provide me with your name & contact information so that I can contact your practice? I have been lifting & doing cardio and am concerned about maintaining hard-earned muscle while dieting down. I am in Utah, and I intend to start the hcg diet soon. I still have questions & feel that you would be a great resource. I can't send a PM yet, because I am new to the forum. Thanks!

badfish51581,

Thank you for starting this thread and for sharing your research and experiences in such a succinct, useful way. How did you use creatine while sticking to the diet? Did you put it in apple juice or something?