Can Not Lose Weight/ Over Dieting?

Reese · 02-07-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

you can keep the low end where it is for heart rate, concentrate on raising the high end. Should be spans of 1-2 minutes high, same low. that seems to work best, generally for most people it would take over a minute from the 170 target to drop to below 140. I (at 40) usually have mine range from 140-185... but i've determined over time that is a reasonable range for me.

That is a pretty intense workout. I will work with longer intervals next. I need to make sure the thumper can handle all that. It has got to feel like it is popping out of your chest. It has been 6 years or so since I have been in great cardiovascular shape. I just feel that I could be pushing to hard to obtain the 170-180 mark.

Should I work up to this or is it obainable and stop being a b****.

EasyEJL · 02-07-2008, 10:25 AM

take your time, life is a marathon, not a sprint. try to add an extra 5bpm each week or two. I can still carry on a conversation below 180

at 190 I can't quite talk, but still can read an article in a magazine. But i've been pushing hard HIIT for the last year.

Distilled Water · 02-07-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

take your time, life is a marathon, not a sprint. try to add an extra 5bpm each week or two. I can still carry on a conversation below 180

at 190 I can't quite talk, but still can read an article in a magazine. But i've been pushing hard HIIT for the last year.

Is it bad when its hard to talk at 3.6 speed on a 10 incline

HIIT is rough, def ease your way into it. I went hard for my 1st HIIT session and I was poop'd. I thought I was in pretty good shape, I play college baseball and Im an OF and lead off hitter for a reference point.

EasyEJL · 02-07-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Distilled Water

Is it bad when its hard to talk at 3.6 speed on a 10 incline

its not too bad if its at the end of 45 minutes at that speed

if its when you start that speed, then yes

I think i'm good to around 4mph at a 20 incline.

Reese · 02-07-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PumpDogg

ok, thats
61.5 grams of FAT
148 grams of PROTEIN
139 grams of CARBS

I dont think you will lose much fat weight at all if any with this macro breakdown

Do you have any idea how much bodyfat you carry, by either calipers or hydrostat weighing??
You should also be lifting.. Im at work, will check back on this again later. Out of time to post anymore

Go the cow lippers, (accu measure $20 plastic) I am consistently pulling 24% fat on them. What do you suggest I do with my diet. Here is what I have changed so far. No cookies in the evening(recently learned a little about insulin and fat storage, and why cal counting is not always the only thing that matters). Going for 40Protein/40Carb/20Fat. Still going to maintain 1750-2000 daily cals. 4-5 HIIT sessions per week, some 45 minutes fasted cardio sessions as well and weights 3-4 times per week. My weights are not that intense yet, I have only been back lifting 3 weeks. My reps are high12-15.

Comment are appreciated by all.

EasyEJL · 02-07-2008, 02:39 PM

add some patience to your program and you should be set

Reese · 02-07-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

add some patience to your program and you should be set

I can not believe I am borderline Obese. Thanks Easy.

EasyEJL · 02-07-2008, 03:20 PM

It definitely takes time. I think the statistic is that it takes 4 weeks of stopping something to break a habit, or 4 weeks of doing something new to create one. So you've got at least an 8 weeks time of breaking off old habits that got you where you are, and creating the new habits so you don't get that way again

Reese · 02-08-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

It definitely takes time. I think the statistic is that it takes 4 weeks of stopping something to break a habit, or 4 weeks of doing something new to create one. So you've got at least an 8 weeks time of breaking off old habits that got you where you are, and creating the new habits so you don't get that way again

"By the way, to maximize the fat-burning effects of HIIT, don't eat for about one hour after your workout. Then have a balanced protein- and carb-containing meal or supplement shake."

Do you support this opinion or is this fact?

PumpDogg · 02-08-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reese

"By the way, to maximize the fat-burning effects of HIIT, don't eat for about one hour after your workout. Then have a balanced protein- and carb-containing meal or supplement shake."

Do you support this opinion or is this fact?

I dont know what Easy will say, but I will give you my opinion for what its worth.. years ago when I began lifting it was a popular thing to not eat anything before cardio ( fasted in the morning if you could do it) and not to eat anything after the cardio for at least an hour because your body was supposed to burning fat and a meal would stop the process.. Now again, that was the popular gig 13 years ago..

Times, and new studys as well as real world experience often show us that some of our theories while they may hold facts and work, may not work as well as others..

My point.. I think before cardio ( even if fasted ) you should consume BCAAS 20 minutes prior.. I also think that immediately following your cardio you should consume BCAAS, wait 20 minutes and then eat a balanced meal.. If its late in the day, IMO you would not want to load up on carbs, but you would want to consume them for sure..

My reasoning is this.. After your cardio session you are going to be depleted of glycogen or at least the stores should be low... You are also going to be in a catabolic state and waiting an hour to eat or consume anything while you may burn more "fat" at this moment,... I think you are also eating up muscle tissue and possbily slowing your metabolism...

the body is a machine and it must be fed all the time to keep it in a positive nitrogen balance and for optimum metabolism as well as they way it will handle the food you put in it...

This is my opinion..

Ive done it both ways.. fasted no food for an hour.. then BCCAS before and after with a meal within 30 minutes of the time I consumed the BCAAS.. IMO the latter gave me better recovery and better fat loss overall better body comp..

EasyEJL · 02-09-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Reese

"By the way, to maximize the fat-burning effects of HIIT, don't eat for about one hour after your workout. Then have a balanced protein- and carb-containing meal or supplement shake."

Do you support this opinion or is this fact?

Its sort of true.

keep in mind that part of the fat burning does occur by the fact that your metabolism is raised for a time after the HIIT. So not eating a solid full meal for a time after HIIT leaves it as more likely that your metabolism stays higher. Eating (particularly carbs) will cause the insulin spike then crash, in the end lowering metabolism. I don't think its a huge difference anyhow, I doubt the extra calorie burn in that time is more than 100 cal worth.

Reese · 02-09-2008, 10:14 AM

[quote=PumpDogg;1198777]I dont know what Easy will say, but I will give you my opinion for what its worth.. years ago when I began lifting it was a popular thing to not eat anything before cardio ( fasted in the morning if you could do it) and not to eat anything after the cardio for at least an hour because your body was supposed to burning fat and a meal would stop the process.. Now again, that was the popular gig 13 years ago..

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Thanks for the response, it was an older post and did not seem consistent with what i have been reading. Everyday, I learn something new and my body and mind are feeling great. Thanks.

Reese · 02-09-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EasyEJL

Its sort of true.

keep in mind that part of the fat burning does occur by the fact that your metabolism is raised for a time after the HIIT. So not eating a solid full meal for a time after HIIT leaves it as more likely that your metabolism stays higher. Eating (particularly carbs) will cause the insulin spike then crash, in the end lowering metabolism. I don't think its a huge difference anyhow, I doubt the extra calorie burn in that time is more than 100 cal worth.

When you state that carbs spike and crash. Is this a specific carb type or any carb, like sugar?

EasyEJL · 02-09-2008, 10:35 AM

yeah, that would be with simpler carbs. But putting food in you at all will take the metabolism down some. As I said, I think the difference is so marginal though, that it wouldn't make a full pound of difference in a month of doing it either way.

warriorway · 02-09-2008, 11:35 AM

my .02 These guys are too scientific for me. I wouldn't be doing any supps unless I was at and trying to get under the 9-10% bf range. I'm more into diet.
Higher carbs and lower protein works best for me. Brown rice and black beans is a staple for my diet. Old fashioned oats for breakfast with a heaping teaspoon of suga