Velocity Diet To 10/10 Transformation

[Xodus]

I wasn't refering the v-diet, I mean CKD specifically.


If you've adopted a diet like the anabolic diet, you should have made the behavoir changes already.

Ok, I thought we were talking about a huge cheat meal of pizza, burgers and other crap in the middle of the V-Diet.

The behavior/taste changes that occur would mean craving broccoli or spinach instead of a pepperoni pizza.

[macedaddy]

FWIW, I make my own now. 1 scoop WPI, 2 scoops WMS, 1 scoop powdered Gatorade in lots of cold water.

what is your scoop size for the WMS? I bought bulk from Nutraplanet. 60cc or 70cc? less?

[Xodus]

what is your scoop size for the WMS? I bought bulk from Nutraplanet. 60cc or 70cc? less?

Yeah, I use the same stuff. I used a 'leftover' scoop from something else. I think that 2 scoops was equal to 70g. I can verify scoop size tonight.

EDIT: 70cc scoop. Although I would not use WMS during the V-diet. Surge or the gatorade,WPI, BCAA mix. You need to keep the carbs low.

[Neil5585]

Ok, I thought we were talking about a huge cheat meal of pizza, burgers and other crap in the middle of the V-Diet.

The behavior/taste changes that occur would mean craving broccoli or spinach instead of a pepperoni pizza.

Well I was talking about that, but only after the first two weeks in order to jack metabolism back up. I based this solely on my experience that fat loss slows significantly after the first two weeks, and a reasonable cheat day like mentioned can really help jack up metabolism and accelerate fat loss for the next 2 weeks.

If you're doing the diet for behavioral changes, then I would skip that method like you said.

[Neil5585]

Be careful mixing all kinds of things with WMS. This stuff is fast. Very fast. However it is slowed down by mixing lots of other things in with it, like whey protein for example. Just like the GI of dextrose is greatly reduced if you eat it with a hamburger... Not exactly the same thing, but I think that helps get the point across.

I'd use WMS with Peptopro or a highly hydrolyzed whey and you can toss in the creatine, beta alanine, and other aminos, too, but make sure you make it a 10-12% solution with water so that you absorb it faster. This means 1 liter of water for every 100g of total powder.

If you aren't going to use peptopro, EAAs, BCAAs, or a highly hydrolyzed whey, and you're going to use whey isolate for example, then I would take the WMS with creatine, beta alanine, etc by itself, then 10 minutes later take in the whey isolate. Part of the beauty of the WMS is its ability to drive nutrients into the cells like creatine, but this effect is lower when it's slowed down.

I also think you should use caution with the Surge experiments on T-Nation. They say you don't gain fat doing even double dose Surge peri-workout. Great, but that doesn't mean that it may not *slow* fat loss. I would use it depending on how lean you are and the volume and type of exercise you use. Someone tubby and getting into lifting using this to modify behavior and jump start fat loss should probably avoid PWO carbs completely.

I really like high dose BCAAs for workouts on V diet. 0.44g/kg bwt of a 4:1:1 ratio.

[Distilled Water]

Be careful mixing all kinds of things with WMS. This stuff is fast. Very fast. However it is slowed down by mixing lots of other things in with it, like whey protein for example. Just like the GI of dextrose is greatly reduced if you eat it with a hamburger... Not exactly the same thing, but I think that helps get the point across.

I'd use WMS with Peptopro or a highly hydrolyzed whey and you can toss in the creatine, beta alanine, and other aminos, too, but make sure you make it a 10-12% solution with water so that you absorb it faster. This means 1 liter of water for every 100g of total powder.

If you aren't going to use peptopro, EAAs, BCAAs, or a highly hydrolyzed whey, and you're going to use whey isolate for example, then I would take the WMS with creatine, beta alanine, etc by itself, then 10 minutes later take in the whey isolate. Part of the beauty of the WMS is its ability to drive nutrients into the cells like creatine, but this effect is lower when it's slowed down.

I also think you should use caution with the Surge experiments on T-Nation. They say you don't gain fat doing even double dose Surge peri-workout. Great, but that doesn't mean that it may not *slow* fat loss. I would use it depending on how lean you are and the volume and type of exercise you use. Someone tubby and getting into lifting using this to modify behavior and jump start fat loss should probably avoid PWO carbs completely.

I really like high dose BCAAs for workouts on V diet. 0.44g/kg bwt of a 4:1:1 ratio.

I didn't know that

Think doing WMS+WPI would cause some stomach issues. Say 30gr WMS+20gr WPI in 10oz water?

[Neil5585]

I don't think it'll cause stomach issues...I just don't see a point in mixing the two together. Take the WMS first 10 minutes before the whey.

[cranghel099]

Trial run for the 3rd workout:
4x15
A1 Good Mornings
A2 Incline DB bench
A3 Wood Chops
A4 Reverse Lunges
A5 Lat pull downs

1 min. rest

work capacity deff increased since the v-diet i will be posting phtos tommarow night and premeasurements for the 10/10 transformation

[cranghel099]

Freakin Camera is screwed up just my luck, hopefully i can get it working sometime later today

here are my measurements comparing day 1 of the Velocity diet to day 1 of the 10/10 transformation

Measurements: V-diet Day 1 to 10/10 Day 1
Largest Area Belly: 31.5.............. 29.75
Thigh L/R: 25/25.25................... 24/24
Calf L/R: 16.25/16.....................15.75/15.75
Ankle L/R: same
Chest/ Nipple Line: 41............... 40.25
Upper Abs: 34.5....................... 32.5
Hips largest glutes: 39.5............ 37.5
Shoulders: 48.......................... 47.25
Upper Arm L/R: 14.75/14.75...............14.25/14.25
Neck: 16.25......................... ... 15.25
Weight: 179........................... . 168.6


Last week when i finshed the v-diet i weighted in @ 168 dry, week later i have only put on about .6 lbs. I think its safe to say that i have lost some additional fat, nothing compared to the rate of the first two weeks, but based on some measurements, glutes, waist, shoulders, they all when down this past week

[macedaddy]

Nice!

[CryingEmo]

Freakin Camera is screwed up just my luck, hopefully i can get it working sometime later today

here are my measurements comparing day 1 of the Velocity diet to day 1 of the 10/10 transformation

Measurements: V-diet Day 1 to 10/10 Day 1
Largest Area Belly: 31.5.............. 29.75
Thigh L/R: 25/25.25................... 24/24
Calf L/R: 16.25/16.....................15.75/15.75
Ankle L/R: same
Chest/ Nipple Line: 41............... 40.25
Upper Abs: 34.5....................... 32.5
Hips largest glutes: 39.5............ 37.5
Shoulders: 48.......................... 47.25
Upper Arm L/R: 14.75/14.75...............14.25/14.25
Neck: 16.25......................... ... 15.25
Weight: 179........................... . 168.6


Last week when i finshed the v-diet i weighted in @ 168 dry, week later i have only put on about .6 lbs. I think its safe to say that i have lost some additional fat, nothing compared to the rate of the first two weeks, but based on some measurements, glutes, waist, shoulders, they all when down this past week

It's not safe to say you lost fat, it's unquestionable. When you lower your calories so far below maintenance, and your glycogen stores are depleted....and you protect yourself somewhat with high protein and BCAA's, the majority of weight lost is fat. I'd venture to say at least 90-95% if not more.

[Distilled Water]

Amazing

[EasyEJL]

It's not safe to say you lost fat, it's unquestionable. When you lower your calories so far below maintenance, and your glycogen stores are depleted....and you protect yourself somewhat with high protein and BCAA's, the majority of weight lost is fat. I'd venture to say at least 90-95% if not more.

yeah, I'd wager he'd immediately gain 3lbs just from glycogen going back to eating normally. Still quite nice overally.

[cranghel099]

It's not safe to say you lost fat, it's unquestionable. When you lower your calories so far below maintenance, and your glycogen stores are depleted....and you protect yourself somewhat with high protein and BCAA's, the majority of weight lost is fat. I'd venture to say at least 90-95% if not more.

Yeah i see what your sayin, but i just finished 8 days of the transition phase, where i upped my calories intake slowly but steady for the past eight days, about 200 calories a day, most of these calories came from carbohydrates: oats, veggies, pumpkin, fruit etc., ive kept hydrated as well. Many of my measurements have decreased since i finished the v-diet eight days ago, not nearly at the rate while i was on the v-diet, but they still have decreased. This is my reasoning for why i have lost some additional fat

Remember, my calories are still under maintenance, as i begin the 10/10 transformation.

[cranghel099]

yeah, I'd wager he'd immediately gain 3lbs just from glycogen going back to eating normally. Still quite nice overally.

ive only increased my calorie intake by between 600-800 calories over the past eight days, so im still a good 400-500 calories from maintance

[EasyEJL]

makes sense. I wonder how that works at this point (as far as glycogen reserves go)

[cranghel099]

pictures goin up tommarow night, sorry for the delay

[cranghel099]

HA figured out what was up with my stinkin camera picks are UP!
the following are pics i took today as well as a pic i found of me 3 weeks prior to the v-diet check them out

the one in the black shorts are post v-diet
yellow shorts are pre v-diet

[Xodus]

Nice job.

[Distilled Water]

Nice, your a little leaner than I am right now, when you started the v-det....Hrmm really really makes me want to start this now,lol.