Velocity Diet To 10/10 Transformation

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by cranghel099 View Post
    haha yeah i ate half a banana before the workout, i think my body is still tryin to recover from the amount of stress caused by the v-diet, i followed up my workout with some chicken breasts in a wrap, to get some more potassium. Speaking of superdrol, what do u guys think of running prohormones on the v-diet??? I was thinking something not too stessful on the body like high dosage of furazadrol
    I think you'd go hypo if you ran superdrol with it.

    Something a little milder might not be bad, but you are already stressing your body pretty good as it is...
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”


  2. Quote Originally Posted by methodice View Post
    Neil, how would you diet to lose 10lb fat and gain 10lb muscle.
    The idea behind the 10/10 transformation is do it in phases, first u lose approx. five pounds of body fat, next phase u gain five pounds of muscle, followed by another fat loss, phase, and last another muscle building phase. Each phase is 3 weeks long. Waterbury includes tactical training methods to induce as much fat loss and muscle gain as possible such as, circuit training, High frequency training, asymmetrical training, and last modified high frequency training
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  3. Xodus what is your dosage recommendation of beta alanine i was thinking anywhere up to 10 grams a day, i know that sounds a bit high, but some coaches like poliquin suggest that its pretty effective at high dosages

  4. I do 3-5g/day. It's definitely a cumulative supplement.

    Personally, I like Poliquin and his 'wacky' principles and ideas. One of the better performance coaches out there IMHO...
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  5. Quote Originally Posted by methodice View Post
    Neil, how would you diet to lose 10lb fat and gain 10lb muscle.

    I'm not entirely sure on this, really. However I would say it depends on bodyfat. If someone is quite chubby I don't think doing a 2 week bulk would be very productive, even after 2 weeks on the V diet. I'd probably jump start it with a month of V-Diet and then maybe look to do some muscle gain once leaner so insulin can properly do its job to help gain muscle.

    I think people should get reasonably lean before worrying about bulking up. When you're fat and you try to bulk, it's usually pretty worthless (from a bodybuilding point of view) because you gain way too much fat compared to muscle.

    I'd have to read up more on Waterbury's 10/10 program.

    I rather like Poliquin's Super Accumulation Program for the fastest mass possible without using steroids. Although the results may even rival the juice...hello, 10 lbs in 6 weeks? Sheesh. Poliquin has mentioned 8 lbs in 3 weeks. I've done 5 lbs per 3 weeks, done twice. That was with only whey protein and food...I want to push the limits and see if I can hit that 8 lbs in 3 weeks mark he has mentioned with supplements like very high dose BCAAs, hydrolyzed whey/WMS shakes, Anabolic Pump, and some others. I don't think most people can handle the eating required for this to work, though, let alone the 9 full body workouts per week for two weeks....

    So I guess when it comes down to it, the fastest fat loss diet I've seen is the Velocity Diet. The fastest program for gaining lean mass is the Super Accumulation Program. I've read lots of stuff on forums about the SAP with people saying they were doing it...well guess what? Not many people actually did the whole thing, and many complained it didn't work if they "finished" it. I just don't think they trained hard enough or ate enough. Seriously we're realistically talking 10,000 calories plus per day for the recovery week. The perpetual pump you have that week is absolutely insane...my shoulders felt so tight that my range of motion seriously was very restricted.

    So yeah, depending on your BF, 3-4 weeks of V-Diet (with a big cheat day after 2 weeks) and then 2 cycles of the SAP. I'd throw in some recovery time between the two I think, like a week tapering up calories. That way realistically you'd have 9-10 weeks to lose 10 lbs of fat and gain 10 lbs of muscle, or better. If anyone thinks they have the balls to attempt this please start a log! I'd love to see that lol.
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  6. I was pondering doing a true protein blend of 40% isolate, 40% micellar casein and 20% fiber from psyllium husks

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    I'm not entirely sure on this, really. However I would say it depends on bodyfat. If someone is quite chubby I don't think doing a 2 week bulk would be very productive, even after 2 weeks on the V diet. I'd probably jump start it with a month of V-Diet and then maybe look to do some muscle gain once leaner so insulin can properly do its job to help gain muscle.

    I think people should get reasonably lean before worrying about bulking up. When you're fat and you try to bulk, it's usually pretty worthless (from a bodybuilding point of view) because you gain way too much fat compared to muscle.

    I'd have to read up more on Waterbury's 10/10 program.

    I rather like Poliquin's Super Accumulation Program for the fastest mass possible without using steroids. Although the results may even rival the juice...hello, 10 lbs in 6 weeks? Sheesh. Poliquin has mentioned 8 lbs in 3 weeks. I've done 5 lbs per 3 weeks, done twice. That was with only whey protein and food...I want to push the limits and see if I can hit that 8 lbs in 3 weeks mark he has mentioned with supplements like very high dose BCAAs, hydrolyzed whey/WMS shakes, Anabolic Pump, and some others. I don't think most people can handle the eating required for this to work, though, let alone the 9 full body workouts per week for two weeks....

    So I guess when it comes down to it, the fastest fat loss diet I've seen is the Velocity Diet. The fastest program for gaining lean mass is the Super Accumulation Program. I've read lots of stuff on forums about the SAP with people saying they were doing it...well guess what? Not many people actually did the whole thing, and many complained it didn't work if they "finished" it. I just don't think they trained hard enough or ate enough. Seriously we're realistically talking 10,000 calories plus per day for the recovery week. The perpetual pump you have that week is absolutely insane...my shoulders felt so tight that my range of motion seriously was very restricted.

    So yeah, depending on your BF, 3-4 weeks of V-Diet (with a big cheat day after 2 weeks) and then 2 cycles of the SAP. I'd throw in some recovery time between the two I think, like a week tapering up calories. That way realistically you'd have 9-10 weeks to lose 10 lbs of fat and gain 10 lbs of muscle, or better. If anyone thinks they have the balls to attempt this please start a log! I'd love to see that lol.
    I could see why u would think that a bulking phase would be unproductive for somebody with a high BF% to start with, but waterbury's diet plan EVEN ON THE BULK PHASES which last 3 WEEKS in length, require you to eat really clean, with the exception of some cheat meals. I think the idea behind waterbury's bulk phase is to take in just enough calories to stimulate (MAXIMIZE) lean muscle mass, while reducing the chances of fat gain. Taken directly from his ebook:
    "The key, however, is to not eat so much that you gain fat. If you gain a little, it’s fine, but we want to minimize fat gain at all costs."
    "I’ve never been a fan of high calorie diets because they’re too difficult for most people to follow and they tend to, of course, make people fat."



    You speak of the Super Accumulation Program which sounds like an awesome program; 9 full body workouts in one week. That's High frequency training at its best; but to be honest, do you really think most traniees would have the work capacity to handle such a routine? I think most traniees who lack the experience as well as work capacity (keep in mind, this is assuming these traniees have done at least 3 total body workouts a week) would experience some real gains on waterbury's bulk phase which require 5 FULL BODY workouts a week; just a step up but not too overwhelming. Also, based on a High Frequency Training article i read over at t-nation, according to Waterbury it takes weeks to progress to over 8 full body workouts a week.
    But don't get me wrong, the Super Accumulation Program prob. is a very successful program, especially if its only run for two weeks. There's just so many variables to consider set/rep volume, a.m./p.m. workouts etc.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    I'm not entirely sure on this, really. However I would say it depends on bodyfat. If someone is quite chubby I don't think doing a 2 week bulk would be very productive, even after 2 weeks on the V diet. I'd probably jump start it with a month of V-Diet and then maybe look to do some muscle gain once leaner so insulin can properly do its job to help gain muscle.

    I think people should get reasonably lean before worrying about bulking up. When you're fat and you try to bulk, it's usually pretty worthless (from a bodybuilding point of view) because you gain way too much fat compared to muscle.

    I'd have to read up more on Waterbury's 10/10 program.

    I rather like Poliquin's Super Accumulation Program for the fastest mass possible without using steroids. Although the results may even rival the juice...hello, 10 lbs in 6 weeks? Sheesh. Poliquin has mentioned 8 lbs in 3 weeks. I've done 5 lbs per 3 weeks, done twice. That was with only whey protein and food...I want to push the limits and see if I can hit that 8 lbs in 3 weeks mark he has mentioned with supplements like very high dose BCAAs, hydrolyzed whey/WMS shakes, Anabolic Pump, and some others. I don't think most people can handle the eating required for this to work, though, let alone the 9 full body workouts per week for two weeks....

    So I guess when it comes down to it, the fastest fat loss diet I've seen is the Velocity Diet. The fastest program for gaining lean mass is the Super Accumulation Program. I've read lots of stuff on forums about the SAP with people saying they were doing it...well guess what? Not many people actually did the whole thing, and many complained it didn't work if they "finished" it. I just don't think they trained hard enough or ate enough. Seriously we're realistically talking 10,000 calories plus per day for the recovery week. The perpetual pump you have that week is absolutely insane...my shoulders felt so tight that my range of motion seriously was very restricted.

    So yeah, depending on your BF, 3-4 weeks of V-Diet (with a big cheat day after 2 weeks) and then 2 cycles of the SAP. I'd throw in some recovery time between the two I think, like a week tapering up calories. That way realistically you'd have 9-10 weeks to lose 10 lbs of fat and gain 10 lbs of muscle, or better. If anyone thinks they have the balls to attempt this please start a log! I'd love to see that lol.
    I could see why u would think that a bulking phase would be unproductive for somebody with a high BF% to start with, but waterbury's diet plan EVEN ON THE BULK PHASES which last 3 WEEKS in length, require you to eat really clean, with the exception of some cheat meals. I think the idea behind waterbury's bulk phase is to take in just enough calories to stimulate (MAXIMIZE) lean muscle mass, while reducing the chances of fat gain. Taken directly from his ebook:
    "The key, however, is to not eat so much that you gain fat. If you gain a little, it’s fine, but we want to minimize fat gain at all costs."
    "I’ve never been a fan of high calorie diets because they’re too difficult for most people to follow and they tend to, of course, make people fat."



    You speak of the Super Accumulation Program which sounds like an awesome program; 9 full body workouts in one week. That's High frequency training at its best; but to be honest, do you really think most traniees would have the work capacity to handle such a routine? I think most traniees who lack the experience as well as work capacity (keep in mind, this is assuming these traniees have done at least 3 total body workouts a week) would experience some real gains on waterbury's bulk phase which require 5 FULL BODY workouts a week; just a step up but not too overwhelming. Also, based on a High Frequency Training article i read over at t-nation, according to Waterbury it takes weeks to progress to over 8 full body workouts a week.
    But don't get me wrong, the Super Accumulation Program prob. is a very successful program, especially if its only run for two weeks. There's just so many variables to consider set/rep volume, a.m./p.m. workouts etc.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I was pondering doing a true protein blend of 40% isolate, 40% micellar casein and 20% fiber from psyllium husks
    that may work but how many grams of fiber does that calulate out to? Shugart suggests like 20-25 total dietary fiber

  10. Quote Originally Posted by cranghel099 View Post
    I could see why u would think that a bulking phase would be unproductive for somebody with a high BF% to start with, but waterbury's diet plan EVEN ON THE BULK PHASES which last 3 WEEKS in length, require you to eat really clean, with the exception of some cheat meals. I think the idea behind waterbury's bulk phase is to take in just enough calories to stimulate (MAXIMIZE) lean muscle mass, while reducing the chances of fat gain. Taken directly from his ebook:
    "The key, however, is to not eat so much that you gain fat. If you gain a little, it’s fine, but we want to minimize fat gain at all costs."
    "I’ve never been a fan of high calorie diets because they’re too difficult for most people to follow and they tend to, of course, make people fat."



    You speak of the Super Accumulation Program which sounds like an awesome program; 9 full body workouts in one week. That's High frequency training at its best; but to be honest, do you really think most traniees would have the work capacity to handle such a routine? I think most traniees who lack the experience as well as work capacity (keep in mind, this is assuming these traniees have done at least 3 total body workouts a week) would experience some real gains on waterbury's bulk phase which require 5 FULL BODY workouts a week; just a step up but not too overwhelming. Also, based on a High Frequency Training article i read over at t-nation, according to Waterbury it takes weeks to progress to over 8 full body workouts a week.
    But don't get me wrong, the Super Accumulation Program prob. is a very successful program, especially if its only run for two weeks. There's just so many variables to consider set/rep volume, a.m./p.m. workouts etc.

    Well I'm still not convinced that trying to gain muscle is a good idea when pretty fat, cause insulin sensitivity sucks, regardless of calories eaten.

    Trust me man the SAP with 9 workouts a week is a world of difference from Waterbury's 5-8 full body workouts per week. SAP every set is balls to the walls to failure...Waterbury is non-failure. I did work into it slightly by doing 3 full body workouts a week, but that's about it. I'm no god of recovery myself here. The point is it will bury you in those 2 weeks. You walk around constantly feeling like you got jumped the night before... lol

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Well I'm still not convinced that trying to gain muscle is a good idea when pretty fat, cause insulin sensitivity sucks, regardless of calories eaten.

    Trust me man the SAP with 9 workouts a week is a world of difference from Waterbury's 5-8 full body workouts per week. SAP every set is balls to the walls to failure...Waterbury is non-failure. I did work into it slightly by doing 3 full body workouts a week, but that's about it. I'm no god of recovery myself here. The point is it will bury you in those 2 weeks. You walk around constantly feeling like you got jumped the night before... lol
    Yeah a BF% of 9 to 16 percent seems like the ideal range to where you would see the most results, anything above that you would have to take into consideration insulin sensitvity, but genetics play a huge role as well, even at a low bodyfat the occasional cheat meal could set back someone with inferior metabolism genes.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by cranghel099 View Post
    that may work but how many grams of fiber does that calulate out to? Shugart suggests like 20-25 total dietary fiber
    I think it was right at 4.5g per shake, with 23ishg of protein, and 1g of fat, maybe 1g of carbs on top of that. I did it with the ion exchange whey. came to under $10 a pound that way.

  13. I'm sorry to take this thread of track, but for this cheat day after 2 weeks on the v-diet I'm planning on eatting 15,000+ cals. Is there a limit or can I go crazy?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    I'm sorry to take this thread of track, but for this cheat day after 2 weeks on the v-diet I'm planning on eatting 15,000+ cals. Is there a limit or can I go crazy?
    Why the f*ck would you want to do that?

    Read the diet, Shugart considers the 'cheat' a restaurant meal, like a salad w/oil & vinegar and a lean steak with steamed veg. This diet is about as simple as it gets, no thinking required. Why do people constantly want to change stuff?

    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  15. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I think it was right at 4.5g per shake, with 23ishg of protein, and 1g of fat, maybe 1g of carbs on top of that. I did it with the ion exchange whey. came to under $10 a pound that way.
    Sounds solid go for it, but put in the extra dime and get premium flavors, true protien original flavors are god aweful

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    I'm sorry to take this thread of track, but for this cheat day after 2 weeks on the v-diet I'm planning on eatting 15,000+ cals. Is there a limit or can I go crazy?
    If you go low carb, and below caloric maintenance, and totally drain your glycogen stores, you can have a day or so period where you can eat thousands of calories in just carbs, and they will go to replenish glycogen stores and never get stored as fat until glycogen is full again. And that is about 6 grams/KG of LBM. So if you have 200 lb's LBM, that's like 1200 carbs before glycogen is full again.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    If you go low carb, and below caloric maintenance, and totally drain your glycogen stores, you can have a day or so period where you can eat thousands of calories in just carbs, and they will go to replenish glycogen stores and never get stored as fat until glycogen is full again. And that is about 6 grams/KG of LBM. So if you have 200 lb's LBM, that's like 1200 carbs before glycogen is full again.
    Would that not then pretty much halt fat loss until glycogen stores are depleted again? Seems like you would take 2 steps back halfway through the diet.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  18. not necessarily, because when you initially lost those you only lost glycogen, not fat. but after a few weeks of this your body is better adapted to using fat as a fuel, so you start burning fat again faster

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Would that not then pretty much halt fat loss until glycogen stores are depleted again? Seems like you would take 2 steps back halfway through the diet.

    Hmm, depleted glycogen isn't needed to lose fat. That would pose a problem as glycogen stores aren't totally depleted when even keto dieting since the body produces glycogen out of amino acids, glycerol, and lactate. That's kinda like when some people say insulin stops fat loss...well good luck having no insulin unless you're totally fasting or eating a diet that's like 90-100% fat

    In fact, if someone has ever tried a big ol' cheat day after weeks of very restrictive low carb dieting you may have noticed that you actually lose fat rather quickly after such a meal in the following week. However given that, I feel that 15,000+ calories is a tad ridiculous for just a cheat day. Unless you're drinking all these calories, you'd probably end up miserable. I wouldn't even worry about calories...I'd just go out and enjoy myself for a day with friends, having pizza here, burgers there, ice cream while out, etc. That should serve the purpose just fine and serve as an awesome mental vacation and still help in the fat loss/metabolism department.

  20. It just seems pretty silly to me. If you are not going to follow the diet, why waste your time and money and say you are doing the 'V-Diet', when all you are really doing is CKD. It would be cheaper to just do this with chicken breasts/roughy/tilapia. You will not get the behavioral/taste changes, etc. Save your money and do carb cycling with whole foods.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  21. X, question i had about the diet is, that he uses 4 servings of Flax per day to get fiber and fat. But, then also talks aobut using fiber tabs.

    what is a good ballpark for how much fiber/fat we should be getting. Cause he also talks aobut 21 salmon caps on workout days. I have fish oil that is 750mg per serving. so how do you suppose i would corelate that? jsut do 21 of the fish caps that i have?

    Also, that surge he uses POST workout has all sorts of sugar and dextrose. would a WMS supp be better post workout? I was actually thinking of using it PRE-workout, though. I'm not trying to change the diet, just to understand.......

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    It just seems pretty silly to me. If you are not going to follow the diet, why waste your time and money and say you are doing the 'V-Diet', when all you are really doing is CKD. It would be cheaper to just do this with chicken breasts/roughy/tilapia. You will not get the behavioral/taste changes, etc. Save your money and do carb cycling with whole foods.
    I wasn't refering the v-diet, I mean CKD specifically.


    If you've adopted a diet like the anabolic diet, you should have made the behavoir changes already.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    X, question i had about the diet is, that he uses 4 servings of Flax per day to get fiber and fat. But, then also talks aobut using fiber tabs.

    what is a good ballpark for how much fiber/fat we should be getting. Cause he also talks aobut 21 salmon caps on workout days. I have fish oil that is 750mg per serving. so how do you suppose i would corelate that? jsut do 21 of the fish caps that i have?

    Also, that surge he uses POST workout has all sorts of sugar and dextrose. would a WMS supp be better post workout? I was actually thinking of using it PRE-workout, though. I'm not trying to change the diet, just to understand.......


    If you use metabolic drive, there is 1 gram of fiber per scoop. 2 scoops = 2 grams, + 2 fiber tabs (4 more grams) and 4 more grams from flax. That's like 10 grams of fiber, 43 grams of protien, add 4 fish oils, and you've got 13 grams of fat too. 6 grams of carbs that aren't fiber.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    X, question i had about the diet is, that he uses 4 servings of Flax per day to get fiber and fat. But, then also talks aobut using fiber tabs.

    what is a good ballpark for how much fiber/fat we should be getting. Cause he also talks aobut 21 salmon caps on workout days. I have fish oil that is 750mg per serving. so how do you suppose i would corelate that? jsut do 21 of the fish caps that i have?

    Also, that surge he uses POST workout has all sorts of sugar and dextrose. would a WMS supp be better post workout? I was actually thinking of using it PRE-workout, though. I'm not trying to change the diet, just to understand.......
    The fiber tabs are to keep you regular and solid, if you catch my drift. It also aids in feeling 'full'. I used 2/day, but I didn't think I needed them as the flax meal was pretty good at that. I would keep them on hand and use them as needed.

    Regarding fish oil, I would check the EPA/DHA numbers on your caps vs. what is in Flameout and adjust the quantity up or down (probably up) to get the equivalent.

    Surge was 'created' by Berardi and by his own admission, you could substitute WPI, gatorade and BCAA's. I like Surge, but its expensive. Surge is used during and post workout.

    FWIW, I make my own now. 1 scoop WPI, 2 scoops WMS, 1 scoop powdered Gatorade in lots of cold water.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”
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