Velocity Diet To 10/10 Transformation

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    I'm sorry to take this thread of track, but for this cheat day after 2 weeks on the v-diet I'm planning on eatting 15,000+ cals. Is there a limit or can I go crazy?
    If you go low carb, and below caloric maintenance, and totally drain your glycogen stores, you can have a day or so period where you can eat thousands of calories in just carbs, and they will go to replenish glycogen stores and never get stored as fat until glycogen is full again. And that is about 6 grams/KG of LBM. So if you have 200 lb's LBM, that's like 1200 carbs before glycogen is full again.

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    If you go low carb, and below caloric maintenance, and totally drain your glycogen stores, you can have a day or so period where you can eat thousands of calories in just carbs, and they will go to replenish glycogen stores and never get stored as fat until glycogen is full again. And that is about 6 grams/KG of LBM. So if you have 200 lb's LBM, that's like 1200 carbs before glycogen is full again.
    Would that not then pretty much halt fat loss until glycogen stores are depleted again? Seems like you would take 2 steps back halfway through the diet.
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    not necessarily, because when you initially lost those you only lost glycogen, not fat. but after a few weeks of this your body is better adapted to using fat as a fuel, so you start burning fat again faster
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Would that not then pretty much halt fat loss until glycogen stores are depleted again? Seems like you would take 2 steps back halfway through the diet.

    Hmm, depleted glycogen isn't needed to lose fat. That would pose a problem as glycogen stores aren't totally depleted when even keto dieting since the body produces glycogen out of amino acids, glycerol, and lactate. That's kinda like when some people say insulin stops fat loss...well good luck having no insulin unless you're totally fasting or eating a diet that's like 90-100% fat

    In fact, if someone has ever tried a big ol' cheat day after weeks of very restrictive low carb dieting you may have noticed that you actually lose fat rather quickly after such a meal in the following week. However given that, I feel that 15,000+ calories is a tad ridiculous for just a cheat day. Unless you're drinking all these calories, you'd probably end up miserable. I wouldn't even worry about calories...I'd just go out and enjoy myself for a day with friends, having pizza here, burgers there, ice cream while out, etc. That should serve the purpose just fine and serve as an awesome mental vacation and still help in the fat loss/metabolism department.

  5. It just seems pretty silly to me. If you are not going to follow the diet, why waste your time and money and say you are doing the 'V-Diet', when all you are really doing is CKD. It would be cheaper to just do this with chicken breasts/roughy/tilapia. You will not get the behavioral/taste changes, etc. Save your money and do carb cycling with whole foods.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  6. X, question i had about the diet is, that he uses 4 servings of Flax per day to get fiber and fat. But, then also talks aobut using fiber tabs.

    what is a good ballpark for how much fiber/fat we should be getting. Cause he also talks aobut 21 salmon caps on workout days. I have fish oil that is 750mg per serving. so how do you suppose i would corelate that? jsut do 21 of the fish caps that i have?

    Also, that surge he uses POST workout has all sorts of sugar and dextrose. would a WMS supp be better post workout? I was actually thinking of using it PRE-workout, though. I'm not trying to change the diet, just to understand.......

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    It just seems pretty silly to me. If you are not going to follow the diet, why waste your time and money and say you are doing the 'V-Diet', when all you are really doing is CKD. It would be cheaper to just do this with chicken breasts/roughy/tilapia. You will not get the behavioral/taste changes, etc. Save your money and do carb cycling with whole foods.
    I wasn't refering the v-diet, I mean CKD specifically.


    If you've adopted a diet like the anabolic diet, you should have made the behavoir changes already.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    X, question i had about the diet is, that he uses 4 servings of Flax per day to get fiber and fat. But, then also talks aobut using fiber tabs.

    what is a good ballpark for how much fiber/fat we should be getting. Cause he also talks aobut 21 salmon caps on workout days. I have fish oil that is 750mg per serving. so how do you suppose i would corelate that? jsut do 21 of the fish caps that i have?

    Also, that surge he uses POST workout has all sorts of sugar and dextrose. would a WMS supp be better post workout? I was actually thinking of using it PRE-workout, though. I'm not trying to change the diet, just to understand.......


    If you use metabolic drive, there is 1 gram of fiber per scoop. 2 scoops = 2 grams, + 2 fiber tabs (4 more grams) and 4 more grams from flax. That's like 10 grams of fiber, 43 grams of protien, add 4 fish oils, and you've got 13 grams of fat too. 6 grams of carbs that aren't fiber.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    X, question i had about the diet is, that he uses 4 servings of Flax per day to get fiber and fat. But, then also talks aobut using fiber tabs.

    what is a good ballpark for how much fiber/fat we should be getting. Cause he also talks aobut 21 salmon caps on workout days. I have fish oil that is 750mg per serving. so how do you suppose i would corelate that? jsut do 21 of the fish caps that i have?

    Also, that surge he uses POST workout has all sorts of sugar and dextrose. would a WMS supp be better post workout? I was actually thinking of using it PRE-workout, though. I'm not trying to change the diet, just to understand.......
    The fiber tabs are to keep you regular and solid, if you catch my drift. It also aids in feeling 'full'. I used 2/day, but I didn't think I needed them as the flax meal was pretty good at that. I would keep them on hand and use them as needed.

    Regarding fish oil, I would check the EPA/DHA numbers on your caps vs. what is in Flameout and adjust the quantity up or down (probably up) to get the equivalent.

    Surge was 'created' by Berardi and by his own admission, you could substitute WPI, gatorade and BCAA's. I like Surge, but its expensive. Surge is used during and post workout.

    FWIW, I make my own now. 1 scoop WPI, 2 scoops WMS, 1 scoop powdered Gatorade in lots of cold water.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    I wasn't refering the v-diet, I mean CKD specifically.


    If you've adopted a diet like the anabolic diet, you should have made the behavoir changes already.
    Ok, I thought we were talking about a huge cheat meal of pizza, burgers and other crap in the middle of the V-Diet.

    The behavior/taste changes that occur would mean craving broccoli or spinach instead of a pepperoni pizza.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    FWIW, I make my own now. 1 scoop WPI, 2 scoops WMS, 1 scoop powdered Gatorade in lots of cold water.
    what is your scoop size for the WMS? I bought bulk from Nutraplanet. 60cc or 70cc? less?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by macedaddy View Post
    what is your scoop size for the WMS? I bought bulk from Nutraplanet. 60cc or 70cc? less?
    Yeah, I use the same stuff. I used a 'leftover' scoop from something else. I think that 2 scoops was equal to 70g. I can verify scoop size tonight.

    EDIT: 70cc scoop. Although I would not use WMS during the V-diet. Surge or the gatorade,WPI, BCAA mix. You need to keep the carbs low.
    Last edited by Xodus; 02-01-2008 at 11:47 PM.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Ok, I thought we were talking about a huge cheat meal of pizza, burgers and other crap in the middle of the V-Diet.

    The behavior/taste changes that occur would mean craving broccoli or spinach instead of a pepperoni pizza.

    Well I was talking about that, but only after the first two weeks in order to jack metabolism back up. I based this solely on my experience that fat loss slows significantly after the first two weeks, and a reasonable cheat day like mentioned can really help jack up metabolism and accelerate fat loss for the next 2 weeks.

    If you're doing the diet for behavioral changes, then I would skip that method like you said.

  14. Be careful mixing all kinds of things with WMS. This stuff is fast. Very fast. However it is slowed down by mixing lots of other things in with it, like whey protein for example. Just like the GI of dextrose is greatly reduced if you eat it with a hamburger... Not exactly the same thing, but I think that helps get the point across.

    I'd use WMS with Peptopro or a highly hydrolyzed whey and you can toss in the creatine, beta alanine, and other aminos, too, but make sure you make it a 10-12% solution with water so that you absorb it faster. This means 1 liter of water for every 100g of total powder.

    If you aren't going to use peptopro, EAAs, BCAAs, or a highly hydrolyzed whey, and you're going to use whey isolate for example, then I would take the WMS with creatine, beta alanine, etc by itself, then 10 minutes later take in the whey isolate. Part of the beauty of the WMS is its ability to drive nutrients into the cells like creatine, but this effect is lower when it's slowed down.

    I also think you should use caution with the Surge experiments on T-Nation. They say you don't gain fat doing even double dose Surge peri-workout. Great, but that doesn't mean that it may not *slow* fat loss. I would use it depending on how lean you are and the volume and type of exercise you use. Someone tubby and getting into lifting using this to modify behavior and jump start fat loss should probably avoid PWO carbs completely.

    I really like high dose BCAAs for workouts on V diet. 0.44g/kg bwt of a 4:1:1 ratio.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Be careful mixing all kinds of things with WMS. This stuff is fast. Very fast. However it is slowed down by mixing lots of other things in with it, like whey protein for example. Just like the GI of dextrose is greatly reduced if you eat it with a hamburger... Not exactly the same thing, but I think that helps get the point across.

    I'd use WMS with Peptopro or a highly hydrolyzed whey and you can toss in the creatine, beta alanine, and other aminos, too, but make sure you make it a 10-12% solution with water so that you absorb it faster. This means 1 liter of water for every 100g of total powder.

    If you aren't going to use peptopro, EAAs, BCAAs, or a highly hydrolyzed whey, and you're going to use whey isolate for example, then I would take the WMS with creatine, beta alanine, etc by itself, then 10 minutes later take in the whey isolate. Part of the beauty of the WMS is its ability to drive nutrients into the cells like creatine, but this effect is lower when it's slowed down.

    I also think you should use caution with the Surge experiments on T-Nation. They say you don't gain fat doing even double dose Surge peri-workout. Great, but that doesn't mean that it may not *slow* fat loss. I would use it depending on how lean you are and the volume and type of exercise you use. Someone tubby and getting into lifting using this to modify behavior and jump start fat loss should probably avoid PWO carbs completely.

    I really like high dose BCAAs for workouts on V diet. 0.44g/kg bwt of a 4:1:1 ratio.
    I didn't know that

    Think doing WMS+WPI would cause some stomach issues. Say 30gr WMS+20gr WPI in 10oz water?
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  16. I don't think it'll cause stomach issues...I just don't see a point in mixing the two together. Take the WMS first 10 minutes before the whey.

  17. Trial run for the 3rd workout:
    4x15
    A1 Good Mornings
    A2 Incline DB bench
    A3 Wood Chops
    A4 Reverse Lunges
    A5 Lat pull downs

    1 min. rest

    work capacity deff increased since the v-diet i will be posting phtos tommarow night and premeasurements for the 10/10 transformation

  18. Freakin Camera is screwed up just my luck, hopefully i can get it working sometime later today

    here are my measurements comparing day 1 of the Velocity diet to day 1 of the 10/10 transformation

    Measurements: V-diet Day 1 to 10/10 Day 1
    Largest Area Belly: 31.5.............. 29.75
    Thigh L/R: 25/25.25................... 24/24
    Calf L/R: 16.25/16.....................15.75/15.75
    Ankle L/R: same
    Chest/ Nipple Line: 41............... 40.25
    Upper Abs: 34.5....................... 32.5
    Hips largest glutes: 39.5............ 37.5
    Shoulders: 48.......................... 47.25
    Upper Arm L/R: 14.75/14.75...............14.25/14.25
    Neck: 16.25......................... ... 15.25
    Weight: 179........................... . 168.6


    Last week when i finshed the v-diet i weighted in @ 168 dry, week later i have only put on about .6 lbs. I think its safe to say that i have lost some additional fat, nothing compared to the rate of the first two weeks, but based on some measurements, glutes, waist, shoulders, they all when down this past week

  19. Quote Originally Posted by cranghel099 View Post
    Freakin Camera is screwed up just my luck, hopefully i can get it working sometime later today

    here are my measurements comparing day 1 of the Velocity diet to day 1 of the 10/10 transformation

    Measurements: V-diet Day 1 to 10/10 Day 1
    Largest Area Belly: 31.5.............. 29.75
    Thigh L/R: 25/25.25................... 24/24
    Calf L/R: 16.25/16.....................15.75/15.75
    Ankle L/R: same
    Chest/ Nipple Line: 41............... 40.25
    Upper Abs: 34.5....................... 32.5
    Hips largest glutes: 39.5............ 37.5
    Shoulders: 48.......................... 47.25
    Upper Arm L/R: 14.75/14.75...............14.25/14.25
    Neck: 16.25......................... ... 15.25
    Weight: 179........................... . 168.6


    Last week when i finshed the v-diet i weighted in @ 168 dry, week later i have only put on about .6 lbs. I think its safe to say that i have lost some additional fat, nothing compared to the rate of the first two weeks, but based on some measurements, glutes, waist, shoulders, they all when down this past week
    It's not safe to say you lost fat, it's unquestionable. When you lower your calories so far below maintenance, and your glycogen stores are depleted....and you protect yourself somewhat with high protein and BCAA's, the majority of weight lost is fat. I'd venture to say at least 90-95% if not more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    It's not safe to say you lost fat, it's unquestionable. When you lower your calories so far below maintenance, and your glycogen stores are depleted....and you protect yourself somewhat with high protein and BCAA's, the majority of weight lost is fat. I'd venture to say at least 90-95% if not more.
    yeah, I'd wager he'd immediately gain 3lbs just from glycogen going back to eating normally. Still quite nice overally.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    It's not safe to say you lost fat, it's unquestionable. When you lower your calories so far below maintenance, and your glycogen stores are depleted....and you protect yourself somewhat with high protein and BCAA's, the majority of weight lost is fat. I'd venture to say at least 90-95% if not more.
    Yeah i see what your sayin, but i just finished 8 days of the transition phase, where i upped my calories intake slowly but steady for the past eight days, about 200 calories a day, most of these calories came from carbohydrates: oats, veggies, pumpkin, fruit etc., ive kept hydrated as well. Many of my measurements have decreased since i finished the v-diet eight days ago, not nearly at the rate while i was on the v-diet, but they still have decreased. This is my reasoning for why i have lost some additional fat

    Remember, my calories are still under maintenance, as i begin the 10/10 transformation.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yeah, I'd wager he'd immediately gain 3lbs just from glycogen going back to eating normally. Still quite nice overally.
    ive only increased my calorie intake by between 600-800 calories over the past eight days, so im still a good 400-500 calories from maintance
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    makes sense. I wonder how that works at this point (as far as glycogen reserves go)
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  25. pictures goin up tommarow night, sorry for the delay
  26. V-diet Pics!


    HA figured out what was up with my stinkin camera picks are UP!
    the following are pics i took today as well as a pic i found of me 3 weeks prior to the v-diet check them out

    the one in the black shorts are post v-diet
    yellow shorts are pre v-diet
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  27. Nice job.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  28. Nice, your a little leaner than I am right now, when you started the v-det....Hrmm really really makes me want to start this now,lol.
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