Velocity Diet To 10/10 Transformation
- 01-30-2008, 09:39 AM
- 01-30-2008, 09:51 AM
- 01-30-2008, 09:57 AM
01-30-2008, 10:16 AM
- 5'10" 205 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jun 2007
- Rep Power
01-30-2008, 10:22 AM
just downloaded it, looks like it would work. He is REAL specific about foods and diet and trianing. So, if you followed it, i am sure you would get results
01-30-2008, 10:41 AM
maybe I keep missing it but whats the link? I did a search on yahoo and I couldnt find a page that gave a link to buy the ebook
Im interested in reading up on this.
01-30-2008, 10:57 AM
01-30-2008, 10:58 AM
Im gonna hit the V-Diet right after baseball season is over. Then lean mass it from there.
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01-30-2008, 11:01 AM
- 5'10" 205 lbs.
- Join Date
- Jun 2007
- Rep Power
$20 isn't too bad for it
01-30-2008, 12:23 PM
very basic supplements, the success rate of the 10/10 transformation is primarily based on the workouts, but probably more the DIET, as with any program.
hint: he does suggest high dosage of a high concentrated fish oil, and some potent antioxidents that u can read up on by gettin the ebook
01-30-2008, 07:34 PM
01-30-2008, 07:51 PM
Alright guys, ive been slowly transitioning the v-diet to the 10/10 diet, its been really easy!
no food cravings, energy is good
loving those veggies and lean meats that ive got back in my diet.
Right now im down to two v-diet shakes a day, the other three meals are lean meats with veggies, i will prob. do this til saturday. Sunday i will begin the 10/10 transformation FULL BLOWN. Guys if your looking to reallly boost your cut phase, look into the v-diet; even if its only run for two weeks, your gunna see awesome results which is just gunna motivate u even more! Honestly my diet habits before the v-diet were decent but not great. Just looking over the 10/10 transformation made me question whether i could even handle it. Running the v-diet before any cut diet could really help u stay the course and stay focus. I'm lookin forward to the 10/10 transformation and im really gunna give it all i got. Expect some before mesurements, and pics by sunday, i'll be measuring in and taking photos every 3 weeks (length of each phase)
01-30-2008, 07:56 PM
i start v-diet sunday
01-30-2008, 08:03 PM
01-30-2008, 08:05 PM
i am using my American Whey Double Dutch Chocolate isolate.
does it HAVE to be a mix?
01-30-2008, 08:14 PM
01-30-2008, 08:19 PM
01-30-2008, 08:32 PM
01-30-2008, 08:40 PM
01-30-2008, 08:42 PM
01-30-2008, 09:26 PM
01-30-2008, 09:29 PM
Yup. Whey is just too fast. It doesn't fill you up for ****. casein "gels up" in the stomach and is anti-catabolic, and is much better at filling you up.
The original Fat Fast Diet was with just whey....let's just say it was miserable and even the author of the diet on T-Nation didn't make it through the planned diet... lol
01-30-2008, 09:55 PM
Bruce Kneller aka 'Brock Strasser' aka 'Red Star Labs'. He was the R&D guy for Gaspari at the time, responsible for 'SizeOn'.
It was a diet reserved for the morbidly obese, a VLCD, typically 500 cals/day. I think he only made it like 3 or 4 days on it...
01-30-2008, 10:14 PM
01-30-2008, 10:19 PM
01-30-2008, 10:30 PM
Ok. So its peridioc whey/casein ingestions, fish oil. Shrink the stomach, have enough protein and good oil to keep you goin. I can see where the 10lb fat loss is coming from but where is the 10lb muscle coming from?
01-30-2008, 10:32 PM
01-30-2008, 10:33 PM
LIke i said earlier this week ive been giving the first phase workouts a trial run, just to see where i am, what weight to use etc.
I'm not gunna lie i lost a little bit of strength, but lets be realistic hear, a little aint bad for such an extreme diet, such as the v-diet. I ran the second workout of the first phase today. Looks like this:
Circuit training; Sets: 5; Reps: 8; rest 45 seconds
A1 Push Press
A3 Dumbbell Romanian Deadlifts
A4 Zercher Squats (CRUCIAL)
Notes: This workout kicked my ass; started alittle too heavy, but i'll tweak the weights around for next week. I made it through four circuits with the strict rest, i went to start my fifth circuit when my calf crampped up! Which brings up another point, what do u guys think of potassium supplementation? effective? i was also thinking of supplementing with some taurine and beta alanine; i did notice some lactic acid build up but nothing substantial. The zercher squats are pretty crucial have done them in a while, deff. a good exercise if u wanna check your ego.
01-30-2008, 10:37 PM
I use bulk taurine as my 'filler' for bulk supps that I cap, not sure how much I get, but it was enough to stave off back/calf pumps on SD.
For potassium, eat a banana or two!
01-30-2008, 10:37 PM
Sounds kinda like the ABCDE diet of years ago...
Although the V-Diet would make that MUCh more successful, and using a more timed carb approach ala Poliquin, DiPasquale, or Berardi would make the bulking phase better, too....
01-30-2008, 10:39 PM
What brand protein are most of you using?
I may give this a go later on in the spring..
01-30-2008, 10:42 PM
I used my own mix from trueprotein.com
01-30-2008, 10:43 PM
Neil, how would you diet to lose 10lb fat and gain 10lb muscle.
01-30-2008, 10:44 PM
Team Skip by trueprotein is a decent alternative, not much cheaper and I thought the flavor and mouthfeel was a little lacking, more chalky and a little less 'filling'. If I ever do it again, it will be ALL Metabolic Drive.
If you go the Biotest route, they actually have a 'V-Diet Special' where it knocks like $50 or so off of the entire diet. MD, Surge, Flameout, Hot-Rox and BCAA's. You will still need Natty PB, milled flax seed and fiber tabs.
Last edited by Xodus; 01-30-2008 at 11:10 PM.
01-30-2008, 11:12 PM
01-30-2008, 11:19 PM
01-30-2008, 11:26 PM
01-30-2008, 11:30 PM
Xodus what is your dosage recommendation of beta alanine i was thinking anywhere up to 10 grams a day, i know that sounds a bit high, but some coaches like poliquin suggest that its pretty effective at high dosages
01-30-2008, 11:35 PM
I do 3-5g/day. It's definitely a cumulative supplement.
Personally, I like Poliquin and his 'wacky' principles and ideas. One of the better performance coaches out there IMHO...
01-31-2008, 12:41 AM
I'm not entirely sure on this, really. However I would say it depends on bodyfat. If someone is quite chubby I don't think doing a 2 week bulk would be very productive, even after 2 weeks on the V diet. I'd probably jump start it with a month of V-Diet and then maybe look to do some muscle gain once leaner so insulin can properly do its job to help gain muscle.
I think people should get reasonably lean before worrying about bulking up. When you're fat and you try to bulk, it's usually pretty worthless (from a bodybuilding point of view) because you gain way too much fat compared to muscle.
I'd have to read up more on Waterbury's 10/10 program.
I rather like Poliquin's Super Accumulation Program for the fastest mass possible without using steroids. Although the results may even ***** the juice...hello, 10 lbs in 6 weeks? Sheesh. Poliquin has mentioned 8 lbs in 3 weeks. I've done 5 lbs per 3 weeks, done twice. That was with only whey protein and food...I want to push the limits and see if I can hit that 8 lbs in 3 weeks mark he has mentioned with supplements like very high dose BCAAs, hydrolyzed whey/WMS shakes, Anabolic Pump, and some others. I don't think most people can handle the eating required for this to work, though, let alone the 9 full body workouts per week for two weeks....
So I guess when it comes down to it, the fastest fat loss diet I've seen is the Velocity Diet. The fastest program for gaining lean mass is the Super Accumulation Program. I've read lots of stuff on forums about the SAP with people saying they were doing it...well guess what? Not many people actually did the whole thing, and many complained it didn't work if they "finished" it. I just don't think they trained hard enough or ate enough. Seriously we're realistically talking 10,000 calories plus per day for the recovery week. The perpetual pump you have that week is absolutely insane...my shoulders felt so tight that my range of motion seriously was very restricted.
So yeah, depending on your BF, 3-4 weeks of V-Diet (with a big cheat day after 2 weeks) and then 2 cycles of the SAP. I'd throw in some recovery time between the two I think, like a week tapering up calories. That way realistically you'd have 9-10 weeks to lose 10 lbs of fat and gain 10 lbs of muscle, or better. If anyone thinks they have the balls to attempt this please start a log! I'd love to see that lol.
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