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Preventing catabolism during a cut...

  1.  01-02-2008  09:11 AM
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    Preventing catabolism during a cut...


    Does anyone have any suggestions on what would be the best way to prevent muscle breakdown (to a minimum) during a cutting cycle?



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    Originally Posted by http://www.arltma.com/ProteinCatabNews.htm
    Causes Of Catabolism
    Anabolism and catabolism can become quite involved. Dr. Emanuel Revici based an entire metabolic typing system on these two aspects of metabolism. His system is somewhat similar, but not the same as Dr. Paul Eck's distinction of fast and slow oxidizers.
    When we refer to a catabolic state we are referring to a specific condition in which catabolic processes are dominant. The main cause of this is a prolonged stress response.
    In response to stress, the body secretes epinephrine, norepinephrine, cortisol and other hormones. The glucocorticoids (such as cortisol) have a catabolic action. That is, they suppress the synthesis of protein, glycogen and triglycerides. Instead, these are broken down into fatty acids, glucose and amino acids and mobilized from storage.
    This process is necessary to counteract a stress. However, if the process is prolonged, the resulting catabolism is very damaging to the body and causes excessive tissue breakdown.
    Also, a prolonged stress response suppresses the immune system, the digestive organs, growth hormones and other important body systems.
    There are numerous causes for a prolonged stress response. They include attitudes of fear, guilt, worry, resentment, frustration and hostility. Another cause is nutritional deficiencies. These can lower one's stress threshold and impair the production of cellular energy within the cells. When a body is not able to properly metabolize sugars, starches and fats for fuel in the glycolysis and Krebs energy cycles, it will digest its own tissue proteins in order to produce energy.
    Also, fatigue and other health conditions may cause a catabolic state.
    Have a look at the site quite interesting. The whole thing for keeping muscle on a cut is to take in enough protein to give your body what it needs. Also to stop cortisol levels / stress levels getting too high, so a good AntiCortisol and lots of sleep.

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    BCAAs, forskolin/forslean (Drive) helps a lot too, and I think some of the GH increasers also help (IGF-2, Powerfull). Plenty of protein as well. I've lost over the last year 50lbs of scale weight, while gaining muscle mass... probably gained 20lbs of muscle in that time. so thats 70lbs of fat lost...

    man I can't beleive I carried that much for as long as I did.
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    Hmm I'm eating enough protein. I take in about 1,800 cals daily @ 40/40/20. However, it seems my little gut doesn't want to go away. Not sure if the weight I'm loosing is muscle or fat.

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    raise the protein, lower the carbs
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    are lifts going down? I figure if you loose muscle mass, you loose strength too
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    I'm lifting in the 8-12 rep range, normally it's 1-8.. I've noticed strength decreases as energy expenditure increases, which could be from the lack of calories?

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    I think fatigue sets in easier on a calorie defecit. But in general I have to drop a weight 10-15 lbs to do it for 12 vs what I can do it for 8 anyhow. But if week to week those rep counts are rising, then i'd wager your muscle loss is minimal.
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    Originally Posted by dsade View Post
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    NP is out of BCAA's at the moment, is there any place to find it at a local store?

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    you wont find it in local stores realistically priced, but custom capsule (a board sponsor) sells theirs about the same price, $18 for 500g or $20 flavored lemon lime (nice flavoring, I like it a lot)
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    I am planning on BCAA + Relora + Vit-c before bed.
    Topical 7-keto + cottage cheese + Vit-c + Relora for breakfast.

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    Originally Posted by nelix View Post
    I am planning on BCAA + Relora + Vit-c before bed.
    Topical 7-keto + cottage cheese + Vit-c + Relora for breakfast.
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    Dsade did you wax your whole body?

    Looking buffer dood (no hot sweaty man love)

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    Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Dsade did you wax your whole body?

    Looking buffer dood (no hot sweaty man love)
    I've been trying to talk Crader into waxing my back, but nope...I think some of it is lighter, due to the recent testing of Atomic Meltdown (sucks to have to relax in a tanning bed...but my life is not my own anymore.)
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    You definitely look less furry than your locker room snapshot! You should get some nice quality pics to put up in the pic section, you have definitely put the work into your physique.

    Good job bro!:squat:

    Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I've been trying to talk Crader into waxing my back, but nope...I think some of it is lighter, due to the recent testing of Atomic Meltdown (sucks to have to relax in a tanning bed...but my life is not my own anymore.)

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    Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    You definitely look less furry than your locker room snapshot! You should get some nice quality pics to put up in the pic section, you have definitely put the work into your physique.

    Good job bro!:squat:
    Thanks!

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