[ilkyspony]

Well, this is my first post and I have trolling for a while trying to find some answers to my questions. I figured a new thread could get me off on the right foot!

I am 20 years old, 6'1", and I weigh 285lbs

My goal is to be at 215lbs/10-15% Body Fat by approx. June 1st with a start date of 1/2/08. I plan on joining the Navy, so whatever plan I implement will have to advance my cardio activity while still producing muscle mass/strength gains. I have a few supplements in mind but I don't want to drop any names until I hear what you folks have to say. Any questions you may have I will answer, I would like some advice please.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by ilkyspony;

Well, this is my first post and I have trolling for a while trying to find some answers to my questions. I figured a new thread could get me off on the right foot!

I am 20 years old, 6'1", and I weigh 285lbs

My goal is to be at 215lbs/10-15% Body Fat by approx. June 1st with a start date of 1/2/08. I plan on joining the Navy, so whatever plan I implement will have to advance my cardio activity while still producing muscle mass/strength gains. I have a few supplements in mind but I don't want to drop any names until I hear what you folks have to say. Any questions you may have I will answer, I would like some advice please.

Assuming your diet is in check, and you intend to do continue with cardio and weight training, I would recommend the following:

1) Drive (full dose)
2) IGF-2 (full dose)
3) DCP (full dose)
4) RPM (half dose because of Leviathan Reloaded)
5) Leviathan Reloaded (half dose because of RPM)
6) Lipotrophin-PM (full dose)

Be sure to supplement with Fish Oil.

You should be able to see diverse benefits including heightened endurance, increased strength gains, increase in quality lean mass, muscle hardening, significant cAMP-and-cGMP-boosting, dramatic weight loss, testosterone modulation, glucocorticoid antagonism, cortisol regulation, prolactin inhibition, growth-hormone synthesis, and so on.

Something else. Some of the nutrients in the blend should ensure L-Dopa synthesis, green-tea-extract (EGCG)-induced cAMP-boosting/norephinephrine synthesis, green-tea-induced nutrient partitioning and cholecystokinin (CCK) release that is important in the management of insulin pathways, banaba-extract regulation of macronutrient partitioning, as well as bacopa monnieri boosting of thyroid function and modulation of thyroid-hormone levels via enhancement of T4 synthesis and conversion of T4 (normally synthesized from free tyrosine) to biologically active T3.

Furthermore, for some odd reason, the synergy between Forskolin (in Drive) and TTA (in DCP) is not given the emphasis it deserves. By boosting cAMP, Forskolin triggers the liberation of free fatty acids from adipocyte cells and deposits these into the bloodstream where they can be used as energy. Now comes TTA. TTA filters the released free fatty acids from the bloodstream and burns these in the liver mitochondria. If you take these before cardio, you would be pleased at the reslts you would get.
DCP is a well rounded formula that can deliver all the benefits of TTA without the sides. Add DCP to a forskolin-containing product such as Drive (with its other cool cAMP/cGMP boosting compounds) and you have the cornerstone of your fat-incineration protocol.

One last thing. One cannot overemphasize the importance of cAMP elevation. Cyclic AMP is probably the most important cell-regulating compound available. Once cAMP is formed it activates many other enzymes involved in multiple cellular processes. cAMP is at the core of many cellular functions.

[prld2gr8ns]

Originally Posted by ilkyspony

Well, this is my first post and I have trolling for a while trying to find some answers to my questions. I figured a new thread could get me off on the right foot!

I am 20 years old, 6'1", and I weigh 285lbs

My goal is to be at 215lbs/10-15% Body Fat by approx. June 1st with a start date of 1/2/08. I plan on joining the Navy, so whatever plan I implement will have to advance my cardio activity while still producing muscle mass/strength gains. I have a few supplements in mind but I don't want to drop any names until I hear what you folks have to say. Any questions you may have I will answer, I would like some advice please.

Dropping 70lb in 6 months is hefty but doable, given your age and lack( I assume) of training prior to your navy venture. Just get your diet in line. Shoot for about 2500-2800 kcals/day. Pick lot's of lean meat and carbohydrate choices like chicken/turkey breast, salmon, tuna, lean steak, whole wheat bread, oatmeal, sweet potatoes, etc. Break the meals down to five/six meals a day with some vegetables thrown in 2 or 3 of them and you'll be set.

Become friends with a treadmill at the gym, and beanies and gloves for those outside runs(you'll want to do this just to help prepare for pt at booty camp), shoot for 3-4 sessions a week for about 30min a pop and work up the time if you feel you can. Weight training could be 3-4 times a week also, center around major compound movements i.e. bench, squats, deads with 1-2 ancillary movements for smaller muscle groups.

If your upping your energy expenditure considerabley, then your weightloss has the potential to be smooth and consistent.

[ilkyspony]

Originally Posted by strategicmove

Assuming your diet is in check, and you intend to do continue with cardio and weight training, I would recommend the following:

1) Drive (full dose)
2) IGF-2 (full dose)
3) DCP (full dose)
4) RPM (half dose because of Leviathan Reloaded)
5) Leviathan Reloaded (half dose because of RPM)
6) Lipotrophin-PM (full dose)

Be sure to supplement with Fish Oil.

You should be able to see diverse benefits including heightened endurance, increased strength gains, increase in quality lean mass, muscle hardening, significant cAMP-and-cGMP-boosting, dramatic weight loss, testosterone modulation, glucocorticoid antagonism, cortisol regulation, prolactin inhibition, growth-hormone synthesis, and so on.

Something else. Some of the nutrients in the blend should ensure L-Dopa synthesis, green-tea-extract (EGCG)-induced cAMP-boosting/norephinephrine synthesis, green-tea-induced nutrient partitioning and cholecystokinin (CCK) release that is important in the management of insulin pathways, banaba-extract regulation of macronutrient partitioning, as well as bacopa monnieri boosting of thyroid function and modulation of thyroid-hormone levels via enhancement of T4 synthesis and conversion of T4 (normally synthesized from free tyrosine) to biologically active T3.

Furthermore, for some odd reason, the synergy between Forskolin (in Drive) and TTA (in DCP) is not given the emphasis it deserves. By boosting cAMP, Forskolin triggers the liberation of free fatty acids from adipocyte cells and deposits these into the bloodstream where they can be used as energy. Now comes TTA. TTA filters the released free fatty acids from the bloodstream and burns these in the liver mitochondria. If you take these before cardio, you would be pleased at the reslts you would get.
DCP is a well rounded formula that can deliver all the benefits of TTA without the sides. Add DCP to a forskolin-containing product such as Drive (with its other cool cAMP/cGMP boosting compounds) and you have the cornerstone of your fat-incineration protocol.

One last thing. One cannot overemphasize the importance of cAMP elevation. Cyclic AMP is probably the most important cell-regulating compound available. Once cAMP is formed it activates many other enzymes involved in multiple cellular processes. cAMP is at the core of many cellular functions.

Ok, well up to this point I felt as though I was an intelligent guy. Now, I'm not so sure. I'm trying to comprehend what you just wrote. If you could, please put that in layman's terms. If i'm asking too much just say so... I would like to know what the stuff you listed is and does and why I should only take the dosages you listed. Thanks!

[Pistol Pete]

I wish we could get IGF-2 here in Australia, it doesn't seem available / legal

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by ilkyspony;

Ok, well up to this point I felt as though I was an intelligent guy. Now, I'm not so sure. I'm trying to comprehend what you just wrote. If you could, please put that in layman's terms. If i'm asking too much just say so... I would like to know what the stuff you listed is and does and why I should only take the dosages you listed. Thanks!

To help you reach your goals, you may want to take full doses of Drive, IGF-2, DCP, and Lipotrophin-PM. I recommended half doses of RPM and Leviathan Reloaded because they both contain caffeine, so taking full doses of both may mean too much stimulants. The beauty of adding Leviathan Reloaded, even at half dose, is that the blend is so conceived that it should help you burn fat longer. In the presence of the other products in my list, you should see elevated fat burning while not only sparing muscle, but also adding quality lean mass, in addition to other cool benefits.

[asianbabe]

Hello, please post your current diet and exercise regimen for us to critique. Get into lifting as heavy as you can and throw in a bit of cardio that you enjoy doing.

With a proper diet you should start losing weight at a nice pace, then later on when the weight loss starts to stall a bit, you can add in supplementation.

Best of luck!

[asianbabe]

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete

I wish we could get IGF-2 here in Australia, it doesn't seem available / legal

Really? I have yet to try importing it.. I don't really see why not?

[asianbabe]

Also, have a read of this article if you have time. I posted this in the female forum, but it is applicable for the general audience.

Although a little lengthy, this is set out in pretty "layman" terms the fundamentals of weight loss - training/eating/recovery/mindset/supplementation.

Fat Loss Basics

[ilkyspony]

Well, after thinking about this over the weekend I've made a decision... kind of.

I don't want to take all these pills the first time taking anything. I was hoping I could get an idea of the best 2 to take starting out. I was thinking DCP/Leviathan Reloaded Stack with H-drol? Or maybe take the Drive with H-drol? I've heard good things about H-drol from a couple of guys I work out with. But I've also heard there is a recommended "flush" product to take after H-Drol.

If I do take a couple of the listed items, with or without H-drol (if without... why?), when and how should I do it?

I work out on Tues.,Thurs., and Sunday. Cardio and lifting on all three. Occasionally a Wed. or Sat. of cardio only. I don't work out until approx. 8pm on those nights and go to bed around around 10:30.

[ilkyspony]

Nothing?

[EasyEJL]

Really you dont need any supplements beyond a multivitamin to start with. Get the weight loss started by controlling diet, and slowly introduce new things when weight loss slows.

70lbs in 5 months is hard, but not crazy.

[ilkyspony]

For example and my knowledge... If I were to use something from the list and/or H-Drol....


* See above.

[toughchick401]

Post diet, most important, exercise comes when diet is in check

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by ilkyspony

For example and my knowledge... If I were to use something from the list and/or H-Drol....


* See above.

Of the above, drive would be the earliest one i'd add. Forget h-drol, its a waste at this stage I think, and in general won't really help you all that much. Drive will help both with adding lean muscle as well as loosing fat. Really diet is key, you can loose that weight with no supplements. Its not like you gained it with supplements, just food, so the same applies in reverse


How long have you been lifting for?