[CryingEmo]

If you're using like Xtend, and you do 2:1:1, and you do two servings. Thats about 7 grams of bcaa's that could potentially be gluconeogenic. So that's potential for 7 carbs. If you're eating very low carbs on that day, I don't see a problem with bcaa's. But i'd like to hear what botch has to say also.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by skunkman

T-Bone, I have read the original AD and almost all of the thread at T-Nation but have yet to here some of the basic principles of the "Radical Diet".
I read somewhere that when cutting to take calories from fat but on such a low calorie approach it would not make sense to have 200 grams of protein on a 800 calorie day. I am assuming that one would keep the percentage of fat high as fat is your primary fuel source on this style of eating.
It would also to be wise to wave calories as 800 is not even enough for a little girl sitting on her ass all day. Something like 2500, 2000, 1500, 800?!!, 1500, 2000, 3000 for your carb up?
Anyone else with some input feel free to chime in.

Well the idea behind the Radical Diet is first you do your 11 days of low carbs or assesment phase and then the regular carb up of 12-48 hours. After that you lower your calories to 800-1200 for the low carb portion of the diet. At this point you set a goal for yourself of so much fat loss. Until you reach that goal, and not until you reach it do you do your next carb up. On your carb up you don't go over 2000 calories. Say you want to lose 7 pounds in two weeks, well you stay on the low carb portion till you reach that goal and then do the carb up. I wouldn't set a whole 7 pounds though, I would start with maybe 5 pounds. Keep in mind this diet is only meant for short term, 8 weeks to be exact.

Heres a quote,

"2. Once you’re fat adapted (i.e. your body depends mainly on both dietary and
body fat, not carbohydrates or muscle protein, to produce the energy it needs) you
can cut calories by cutting the amount of fat in your diet. As the amount of fat in the
diet naturally decreases, the body then uses body fat as its primary fuel."

You see so once you are fat adapted you also use fat on your body for fuel and not just dietary fat. So the reason you lower you fat intake is to burn body fat and not dietary fat. I have the E-book version of the Radical Diet. Like I said before though there are a lot of little details about it that you need to have the book to figure out. Maybe I'll email Mauro and see if I can get him to join this board and answer questions.

[Distilled Water]

4 sure, I know I wont be using any any time soon.

Kinda sucks because I'm sitting on 4 big tubs of Xtend, and 3 smaller ones

[ozarkaBRAND]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

If you're using like Xtend, and you do 2:1:1, and you do two servings. Thats about 7 grams of bcaa's that could potentially be gluconeogenic. So that's potential for 7 carbs. If you're eating very low carbs on that day, I don't see a problem with bcaa's. But i'd like to hear what botch has to say also.

I don't know that I'd equate the gluconeogenesis of amino's as the equivelant to carbs...

Besides, 2 out of the three aminos in BCAAs (leucine, and isoleucine) are ketogenic aminos.

[T-Bone]

I'm pretty sure BCAA supplements are fine on this diet. As long as their are no carbs in the supplement. Yep, I just looked and he even sells a Amino acid supplement called Amino. Also a workout drink called Power Drink. Definitely BCAA supplements are fine on this diet.

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by Distilled Water

4 sure, I know I wont be using any any time soon.

Kinda sucks because I'm sitting on 4 big tubs of Xtend, and 3 smaller ones

Just don't go too crazy with BCAA's and you can use your xtend. Do like 4-6 scoops or something.


I think isoluecine can be either gluco or keto, depending on how you body handles it. So one serving yeilds 1.75 grams of valine, which is gluco, but in 6 scoops, that's only potentially 5.25 carbs in the worst case scenario.

[skunkman]

So if i am fat adapted it would be best to keep my protein higher than fat so that my body will want to use body fat? Maybe 50/50? I am 234lbs and want to lose 24lbs. So i have some time until the weather starts getting nice. I think that i will stay on the original until i have a few carb ups under my belt. I here that they can get out of hand in the beginning especially if your going two weeks at a time with very little calories.
Also if anyone reading this thinks that they should start the radical diet right away, you should think twice as it may take up to 3 months until your fully fat adapted. You will feel even worse on low calories as your body has not fully made the metabolic shift from gas to diesel.

[dinoiii]

I have not read this thread yet; I am merely bookmarking as my name came up in a search here.



For those interested in this, you may find an article I wrote called "BodyOpus: Reloaded" (my tribute to Duchaine) of some benefit. I unfortunately cannot put links to the Lean Bulk forum any longer on here but if interested, the article probably comes to about 30-35 pages printed out. Sort of brings the 1996 phenom up to date.



Nonetheless, I will check back with this thread over the weekend and see what is being said.


D_

[Botch]

Originally Posted by skunkman

T-Bone, I have read the original AD and almost all of the thread at T-Nation but have yet to here some of the basic principles of the "Radical Diet".
I read somewhere that when cutting to take calories from fat but on such a low calorie approach it would not make sense to have 200 grams of protein on a 800 calorie day. I am assuming that one would keep the percentage of fat high as fat is your primary fuel source on this style of eating.
It would also to be wise to wave calories as 800 is not even enough for a little girl sitting on her ass all day. Something like 2500, 2000, 1500, 800?!!, 1500, 2000, 3000 for your carb up?
Anyone else with some input feel free to chime in.

I'm going to try waving calories in a few months but it will be somewhat different than what you have written. Probably will have the ~800 cal days be on Monday and Friday w/ calories peaking midweek.

[skunkman]

Considering two reputable people are doing or have done a VLCD version of this diet I am having second thoughts on my cut. I have kind of been toying with the idea of something like this:

Meal 1: Whey/Casein Blend Shake
Meal 2: 2 eggs 2 Cups Spinach
Meal 3: Whey/Casein Blend Shake
Meal 4: 1 Can Tuna 2 Cups Spinach
Meal 5:Whey/Casein Blend Shake (PW)

Between each meal I would consume about 6g of BCAA. This = 30g each day.

Fitdays says this is: 1056kcal, 51g Fat, 12CHO, 137Pro

One of my concerns of going so low in calories is catabolism. For anyone who has done such an approach about how much fat/ muscle would one expect to lose in a 6 week time frame?
I know on the velocity diet people have lost 16-20lbs of fat and a little muscle in 28 days.
Could similar results be expected from such a radical change in calories?

Can not wait for first CHO up on Sunday. Should be good! If i do not go into a coma.

Oh yeah, as far as CHO ups on the Rad Diet is it the same idea as the AD. %60CHO, %30Fat, %10Pro

[CryingEmo]

I think it takes 3 months to become fat adapted. I'm not sure why it is recomended after the break-in to immediately start lowering fat cals if you aren't 100% adapted.

[skunkman]

I am pretty sure that you are right CryingEmo. Was thinking the same I thing. I will save the file i made for a couple of months down the road. Should be able to see even greater results when my body is more adapted.

[CryingEmo]

I don't want to disuade you from doing it. However, I can't help but point out the logic of it.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

I think it takes 3 months to become fat adapted. I'm not sure why it is recomended after the break-in to immediately start lowering fat cals if you aren't 100% adapted.

It certainly doesn't take 3 months. You will switch over after seven days at 30 carbs or less per day. You are better off going the full 12 days that are recommended though.