[TripDog]

Originally Posted by CROWLER

Nope

BCAAs 50 grams a day another 150 grams of protein from food and another 150 grams of protein from protein powder. A total of 5000 cals a day the rest is mostly complex carbs and healthy fats.

I doubt I could gain muscle on this schedule of so much cardio but then again I didn't think I could maintain muscle with this much cardio so who knows. I will find out this winter when I try to put on some muscle.


CROWLER

sweet...Good luck this winter

[BigVrunga]

Originally Posted by TripDog

?????? i never said i was loosing muscle from 20 min cardio sessions......

Yeah sorry man should have been more specific - I wasnt quoting you there...

[TripDog]

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

Yeah sorry man should have been more specific - I wasnt quoting you there...

well i guess i can put away the voodoo doll of you i was making

[BigVrunga]

well i guess i can put away the voodoo doll of you i was making

Aw man that was my idea...I had him on a treadmill and everything

[BigCasino]

So guys, can we get a consensus on what someone bulking and training for strength could be safe to do cardio wise? Not to loose fat, more so just to have better conditioning and heart health.

Like what is the most cardio I could probably get away with, without impacting my muscle / strength gains?


I just want to get my heart back into good shape and keep my awesome gains coming....

So like 20mins 3x a week after lifting? Suggestions??

no anabolics involved btw

[BigVrunga]

So guys, can we get a consensus on what someone bulking and training for strength could be safe to do cardio wise? Not to loose fat, more so just to have better conditioning and heart health.

Like what is the most cardio I could probably get away with, without impacting my muscle / strength gains?


I just want to get my heart back into good shape and keep my awesome gains coming....

So like 20mins 3x a week after lifting? Suggestions??

no anabolics involved btw

I think 20 min 3x a week is a good idea when you're eating big and training hard for strength and size. I'll usually warm up with a 10 min cardio session and then hit 20 min 2-3 times a week. It helps keep the fat off, and also provides for greater recovery, less risk of injury, and most of all keeps your heart in good shape.

Ive read that anything over an hour can starrt leading to catabolism for a bodybuilder, especially while dieting for fat loss. Personally, I dont like to go over 30 minutes.

BV

[EasyEJL]

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Originally Posted by BigCasino

So guys, can we get a consensus on what someone bulking and training for strength could be safe to do cardio wise? Not to loose fat, more so just to have better conditioning and heart health.

Like what is the most cardio I could probably get away with, without impacting my muscle / strength gains?


I just want to get my heart back into good shape and keep my awesome gains coming....

So like 20mins 3x a week after lifting? Suggestions??

no anabolics involved btw

Its largely dependent on your body type. I'm doing crazy amounts of cardio on a restrictive diet, and still gaining lean muscle mass without prohormones or steroids. But I've always been an endomorph, so I'm just lucky that way (it didn't feel lucky when I was at 245# at 40% bf).

The above sounds reasonable, but the real answer would be to wear a heart rate monitore during your lifting. if your heart rate is already in the zone while lifting, and fluctuates up and down in that zone, well heck then you are already doing cardio I'd say a level of cardio that you don't feel strained during shouldnt impact muscle building at all.

Given your age, i'd say any half hour of cardio where your heart rate is between 110-125 shouldn't impact muscle building at all. And mind you that 125 is PEAK. Starting to get much higher than that and you increase the odds of protein used for energy. If you are of average fitness though, just a light walk should put you there, so just stroll around after your lifting

The other thing is making sure to take enough CLA, HMB, ZMA + chromium. Those are all the supps with the strongest evidence of fat burining support. Maybe yohimbine and forskolin too

I do the Body for Life strength routine, and even during the 2-4 minute rest between muscle groups, my pulse never drops below 120. During the most intense portions of leg workout segments i've seen my pulse hit 170. I never would have realized that my 45 min of strength training was cardiovascular too if i wouldnt have used the heart rate monitor.

[wastedwhiteboy2]

Originally Posted by BigVrunga

I think 20 min 3x a week is a good idea when you're eating big and training hard for strength and size. I'll usually warm up with a 10 min cardio session and then hit 20 min 2-3 times a week. It helps keep the fat off, and also provides for greater recovery, less risk of injury, and most of all keeps your heart in good shape.

Ive read that anything over an hour can starrt leading to catabolism for a bodybuilder, especially while dieting for fat loss. Personally, I dont like to go over 30 minutes.

BV

how long do you guys lift weights? I lift for an hour and 20 min of cardio afterwards I would be too much for me. I agree with anything over an hour gets catabolic. I think loading the muscles with glycogen to build muscle defeats burning fat and depleting glycogen from muscles to burn fat defeats building muscle. I think cardio for weightlifters is a good idea. I need very little cardio (ex cross country and track runner) I also think when you do the cardio makes a difference.

what is the body type and experience of the person we are trying to help?

[SatireWolf]

As far as I'm concerned, as long as you're not destroying tendons and joints doing it running on concrete or tarmac, you can never DO TOO much cardio. The way I've been taught, is that cardio is never muscle starving unless you're not feeding yourself or your muscles enough. If the point of cardio is just for heart health, do an hour of cardio.

Except to the point that you're hurting your recovery time. If you're so sore from doing cardio that you're not recovering to lift, then it's seriously detrimental.

But if you're consuming plenty of calories and carbs, I don't know of any reason why cardio would hurt your ability to gain size. Now I may be completely wrong, and a nutter, but I've never had problems gaining mass while busting my chops on the elliptical for an hour a day. But then again I was consuming 5-6k calories and a truckload and a half of protein (4-5 burgers for lunch anyone?).

But I burnt off all of those fat ass calories in the gym everyday. I was poor in college, and the all you can eat at the college cafe was the cheapest protein source in town.